14:04:43 <mihalis68> #startmeeting Ops Meetup Team
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14:04:51 <shintaro> o/
14:04:55 <mihalis68> o/
14:05:10 <mihalis68> I have other things going on this morning, but I have a little bit of news to report so I will try to make this meeting brief but usefu
14:05:20 <VW> o/
14:05:31 <mihalis68> I have no progress on last weeks action items. I need to make an email to the mailing lists about tokyo
14:05:42 <mihalis68> and the operations guide wiki-ifcation needs work
14:05:44 <mihalis68> however...
14:05:51 <mihalis68> Bloomberg has people at the PTG happening now
14:05:56 <mihalis68> and I have a couple of links to share
14:06:05 <shintaro> nice
14:06:09 <mihalis68> oh... first #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team
14:06:11 <mihalis68> agenda
14:07:20 <mihalis68> here are the ether pads that relate to the above topics at PTG
14:07:20 <mihalis68> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-PTG-skip-level-upgrades
14:07:30 <mihalis68> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-queens
14:08:04 <mihalis68> Representing Bloomberg are David Desrosiers (a canonical contractor currently full-time in my team)
14:08:11 <mihalis68> and Juan Negron (my business sponsor)
14:09:14 <shintaro> I see my team member on the list, too
14:09:33 <shintaro> on skip-level upgrade
14:09:55 <mihalis68> ok.. I haven' t had a chance to review those myself, however I'll be taking a look. We want to advocate for docs to stay up for the service life of openstack releases, as a minimum, so for example we are supported by Canonical for Openstack Liberty, yet the docs were pulled "because EOL"
14:10:17 <mihalis68> and "just build from tag" is a very inadequate response. I understand there's some movement on this
14:10:33 <mihalis68> and it naturally spills into long-term support releases of OpenStack discussion, release cadence
14:10:48 <mihalis68> for example twice per year is just too much from our point of view
14:11:15 <shintaro> way too much for telco like us :)
14:11:47 <mihalis68> I was talking to David and explaining how long it takes to push a release out - we can do one availability zone per day in just one location
14:11:55 <mihalis68> can't be messing with the other main data center at same time
14:12:26 <VW> I'd personally rather see the focus on making the deployments as seemless as possible than trying to support version longer
14:12:42 <mihalis68> Maria Bracho told me she has customers who need twice per year minimum, would like to go even faster, they are going at maximum velocity
14:12:58 <mihalis68> she's the redhead openstack release manager? something like that
14:13:23 <mihalis68> #link http://redhatstackblog.redhat.com/author/mariabredhat/
14:13:41 <mihalis68> she represented RedHat and had similar comments to you VW
14:13:56 <mihalis68> but she does have other customers who very much want to discuss long-term-support releases of openstack
14:14:43 <mihalis68> and representing Canonical to some degree in Mexico City was Jill Rouleau who commented something along the lines of canonical has production OpenStack Icehouse clusters still (internally supporting infrastructure)
14:14:58 <mihalis68> I am glad to hear someone else echoing our view Shintaro
14:15:17 <shintaro> testing costs us so much...
14:15:27 <mihalis68> we are not a telco, but I think the stability expected of us makes us telco-like
14:16:13 <mihalis68> I skipped ahead a bit abruptly, can I suggest if anyone has updates on their actions just put them in the agenda?
14:16:32 <shintaro> we are trying to have more testing scenarios upstream, like disruptive scenario so that we don't have to test them every release
14:17:05 <mrhillsman> Hey I'm in a meeting at PTG
14:17:10 <mihalis68> I don't even have a plan to be honest, we're just on Liberty and hoping to get to mitaka soon and meanwhile the docs have been pulled
14:17:17 <mihalis68> hi mrhillsman!
14:17:36 <mihalis68> we are possibly making this weeks meeting short, due to lack of progress as well as PTG
14:17:46 <mrhillsman> But just wanted to let everyone know Foundation is a go for helping with logistics and team handling content post Tokyo
14:17:53 <mihalis68> oh that is FANTASTIC
14:18:04 <shintaro> great!
14:18:14 <mihalis68> thanks so much mrhillsman!
14:18:17 <VW> sweet!  thanks for driving that conversation while you were there mrhillsman
14:18:38 <mrhillsman> And there is already some folks Verizon, someone else, and Bloomberg wanting to do Oct 2018 in NY
14:18:55 <mrhillsman> Surely more will come from that, it is a WIP
14:18:55 <mihalis68> a NE meetup?
14:19:06 <mrhillsman> Going back to meeting
14:19:11 <mihalis68> we did discuss last week
14:19:15 <VW> Oct seems awful close to the summit
14:19:17 <mihalis68> ok mrhillsman thanks
14:19:20 <shintaro> can we get a Opsmeetup logo from the Foundation?
14:19:24 <mihalis68> yeah but I can't go to sydney
14:19:37 <VW> oh - THIS october
14:19:51 <mihalis68> VW I think this is an idea for a strictly regional thing
14:20:03 <mihalis68> I mean sure open to all but we wouldn't expect people to travel a long way for it
14:20:34 <mihalis68> it came up last week. I felt like those of us not able to to to Sydney and/or Tokyo would miss out as both are awfully far from here
14:21:01 <VW> no, sounds great
14:21:14 <VW> I thought we were talking about the Ops meetup after Tokyo
14:21:16 <VW> :D
14:21:32 <mihalis68> always planning out further than the rest of us, eh? :)
14:21:45 <VW> trying to
14:23:20 <mihalis68> ok so given small turnout and PTG, we could call this meeting early unless there is further business
14:23:28 <VW> I am good
14:23:31 <VW> thanks as always, mihalis68
14:23:41 <mihalis68> I will send a summary to the list with the important news
14:23:43 <shintaro> ok thanks mihalis68
14:23:48 <mihalis68> and I do plan to get to my actions - honest!
14:23:59 <mihalis68> alright. last call
14:24:09 <mihalis68> #endmeeting