14:00:02 #startmeeting Ops Meetup Team 14:00:03 Meeting started Tue Jul 25 14:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:04 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:00:06 The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' 14:00:13 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team 14:00:16 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team 14:00:25 hello. Who is around. I see you emagana 14:01:03 good evening shintaro! 14:01:06 hi 14:01:12 hi mihalis68 14:01:57 I had actions to repair the ether pad, to promote the event in mexico, and I also intended to ask for sponsorship from bloomberg 14:02:09 actually shintaro I think you retrieved the last good version 14:02:19 I posted about the event to the mailing list, twitter and facebook 14:02:24 yes. it's all there 14:02:26 and bloomberg is willing to sponsor the swag 14:02:34 great! 14:02:41 Yes, I am here! 14:02:49 emagana you had an action to try to bridge the communication gap with the mexico city team 14:02:54 any progress on that> 14:02:58 mihalis68: 14:03:17 o/ 14:03:26 hi emccormick 14:03:28 mihalis68: Yes, I asked them to invite more people to the slack channel, also to change the communication language to English. 14:03:49 mrhillsman and tom were in the channel and we also invite you mihalis68 14:04:00 I was traveling from last week until yesterday and am not caught up on email. 14:04:06 ah ok I will jump in 14:04:20 I think I saw one message that attendance is up to 18? 14:04:26 still very low :| 14:04:30 mihalis68: Let me know if slack works for you, if not we can find another way to have the conversation. 14:04:46 it works for me, but it is obviously not as completely open as IRC 14:05:02 I just registered few hours ago :) 14:05:12 #topic actions from last week 14:05:22 all actions complete (see previous chat) 14:05:26 #topic mexico city meetup 14:05:35 are there any other potential sponsors yet?> 14:05:37 are there any other potential sponsors yet? 14:05:40 mihalis68: Yes, it is. I sent just this morning an email to Lew Tucker and Alan Clark to request them to invite their openstack team in Mexico 14:06:24 I have a comment from our budget holder for such sponsorships : this group should seek "series sponsors" who just kick in a bit each time. Clearly he thinks Bloomberg would be one 14:06:40 it is a little exhausting to keep asking for new sponsors every time 14:06:46 The email to Lew and Alan, is also to request sponsorship. Besides, Bloomberg I have not heard from anyone else. Maybe one of the smaller local companies will be able to help. 14:06:56 It would be great if all the local openstack folks could come 14:08:05 another update I have on actual operators issue : I have complained via our support contract with Canonical that openstack not having older-revision openstack docs up is a problem. Apparently this has been taken seriously and is a hot topic for the next PTG. Our Canonical rep David Desrosiers and my business sponsor from Bloomberg CTO office are attending PTG and will be advocating for a fix for this 14:08:28 for us, for example we are on Liberty which is old, sure, but not ancient and the docs all evaporated 14:08:48 hola! 14:08:49 mihalis68: We are still in Icehouse! :-( 14:08:53 hey VW 14:08:58 coming to mexico? I am going 14:09:00 sorry - was looking away 14:09:04 unfortunately, no 14:09:12 we added some text on etherpad for doc topic 14:09:14 I think I may be MIA till Vancover :( 14:09:16 but we'll see 14:09:22 what I can cook up for future things 14:09:58 shintaro I see, thanks, my topic has been +10000ed! :) 14:10:26 We had a local ops meetup as a part of OpenStack Days event and reviewed all the topics in the list 14:10:45 added some text and some +1s 14:10:49 I had a go at building all the docs from a tag and it's not easy at all 14:11:04 it's not like this is trivial and the complaint is from the lazy 14:11:41 our canonical guy had to develop some patches to make it work at all behind a corporate proxy, the end result still has a tendency to link back to the web instead of within tree etc etc etc 14:12:06 I'm probably going to go to sydney by the way 14:12:14 I've turned into a road warrior 14:12:33 mihalis68: We should remember that our schedule there will be from 10-6pm, maybe we can just keep from 10am to 5pm if we do not have enough sessions. 14:12:33 having snapshot of the document for each release would be useful 14:13:16 I am ok with a less grueling fixed daily schedule and more time for ad-hoc chat between operators. The latter is sometimes the best part about it anyway 14:13:39 is further work and discussion on mexico being moved to slack ok by all attendees here> 14:13:41 ? 14:14:01 invite me as well 14:14:10 I'm cool with that. just tell me how to find the discussion :) 14:14:30 me 2 :) 14:14:44 yeah that has been the problem - that team is over there somewhere, we are here, not enough linkage 14:15:55 maybe I am missing something but I still don't see a slack invite email? 14:16:57 mihalis68: let me check with them again. 14:17:15 mihalis68: Can you DM your email just to be sure 14:17:26 sure 14:17:31 shintaro: you too please 14:17:41 mine is here #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team 14:17:50 don't forget emccormick 14:19:11 OK 14:19:38 done! 14:19:41 it seems that everyone is ok with the mexico city planing moving to slack 14:19:55 please speak now if you disagree. It clearly doesn't work here on IRC at this time slot 14:20:09 we need to make is visible some how 14:21:01 #action mihalis68 to request retweeting of event tweet by Bloomberg social media folk 14:21:06 anyone else have such resources? 14:21:56 sadly my tiny company has 0 social media footprint. I retweeted it personally though. 14:22:04 not like I have that many followers either 14:22:37 I can retweet on Japan OpenStack user group account 14:23:03 mihalis68: I will ask the same in Workday. 14:23:40 emagana great! Every bit helps. Unfortunately it is a bit late for international travelers to book this now but there's a lot of openstack in NA we can still get interest 14:24:06 from USA to Mexico is not late 14:24:12 I haven't book mine! :-( 14:25:27 Are we using #OpsMeetup as a hash tag? 14:25:29 right 14:25:37 I haven't actually booked mine either 14:26:01 I just requested bloomberg social media support for this event since I am attending and we intend to pick up one of the sponsorship items 14:26:29 I intend to book today, btw 14:26:38 BTW. The day before the meet-up. I will be leading an OpenStack 101 session in the same place. That was one of the requirements in order to not pay for the location. You can use this link. 14:26:39 #OpsMeetup works for me 14:26:40 #link http://www.centroculturadigital.mx/actividad/Introduccion-a-OpenStack-rJ_mbs94b 14:26:58 that's great emagana 14:27:14 I know is in Spanish but there are many browsers to make the translation for you. 14:27:52 I will tweet out that link independently, but Bloomberg may not 14:27:55 That's great. 14:28:04 +1 14:28:12 is the local MX user group sending out promos? 14:30:36 emccormick: As far as I know, they are but I will confirm 14:30:40 I tweeted that presentation 14:31:28 #link https://twitter.com/mihalis68/status/889855320633335808 14:34:00 I've added this to our agenda today see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team 14:34:18 #action emagana to check on local MX OpenStack user group promoting our event 14:34:26 sure thing! 14:34:41 I haven't actioned myself on tweets and contacting social media coordinator as I did them during this meeting 14:34:53 any more items to discuss on mexico? 14:35:35 #topic ops meetup team 14:36:15 sorry for missing the last few meetings. Was traveling and such for summer things 14:36:18 I want to ask the people who list themselves as part of the team but have difficulty making any meetings whether they need a different time slot, or whether they just can't help out any more. It's difficult, but I think we may need to clean house 14:36:39 now that meeting is at 9:00 central (for now), it's easier for me to make 14:36:47 I completely understand. I have had a lot of family things and a bit of travel too (just got back from first trip to seattle!) 14:37:00 so you're on the team? :) 14:37:05 when the time changes, it might be tricker if it goes back to a 10:00 central slot 14:37:08 yes, I'd like to be still 14:37:20 oh I don't think anyone could evict you! 14:37:43 I count myself on the team, shintaro is a stalwart, emccormick 14:37:46 I'm good with this slot. 14:37:58 mrhillsman has been struggling a bit 14:38:09 also tom 14:38:14 fifieldt 14:38:33 works fine for me. Just happens today I"m in a phone meeting at the same time as this plus deploying some new hypervisors. Distracted is an understatement 14:39:21 emccormick: we all multi-task 14:39:44 yeah, i have prod users unable to schedule VMs today and the team survived second major object store crisis over the weekend 14:40:16 good times 14:40:22 in our cloud we are suffering of fragmentation issues, a new users is trying to schedule VM of 250GB of mem!!!!! 14:40:24 people don't need to defend themselves, but if they can no longer help they can take t heir name off the core team list and if it's now too few we can seek out new help 14:41:16 yeah emagana - we have some flavor classes where we have to actively defrag with live migration 14:41:32 also, for licensing costs on some of the guest VMs 14:41:33 VW: ouch! 14:42:04 we're converging on being 100% ceph backed instances. Our other type was a flavor with just local storage on a raid set, but it's too much hassle 14:42:21 also we got ceph performance way up so people can have reasonable performance and durability 14:42:24 Makes migrations a bitch 14:42:34 VM we are considering changing the Nova Scheduler from distributing load to stacking it. Anyone has any experience on that? 14:42:35 with local 14:42:51 we did a minor scheduler hack here 14:42:54 I could find it 14:43:05 mihalis68: did you try to change your ceph janitor and cache to SSD? 14:43:12 we found that with some nodes with 256GB RAM and some with 768 GB, the scheduler would slam the latter unduly 14:43:29 we 100% on SSD for openstack. 100% on spinning HDs for object store 14:43:53 SSD OSDs? 14:43:58 YESSIR 14:43:59 must be nice to have money! 14:44:05 hehe 14:44:08 I was thinking the same emccormick 14:44:23 super jelly 14:44:28 custom version of pure storage ;-) 14:44:41 emagana: ours does a bit of stacking naturally. Because of cells v1, though, we often see it try to over stack if we kick off several migrations 14:45:05 VM got it! 14:45:06 scheduling two whole host VMs to the same host :( 14:45:08 Does anyone else have a topic that should be part of this meeting? 14:45:09 hey, would any of you guys have interest in doing a work session during the meetup to at least kickstart the Ops guide move? 14:45:26 yes mihalis68 14:45:29 I'm not familiar with ops guide move, can you summarize? 14:45:30 yes, we are getting off topics 14:45:35 I know we haven't normally done sessions like that, but given our possibly light attendance it might not be bad 14:45:48 mccormick take this off line? 14:45:49 docs team is no longer maintaining the guide 14:45:58 when do we decide on APAC? i need to schedule when to secure the budget. 14:46:06 well asking here since I was going to put it in the etherpad 14:46:13 yeah do that 14:46:16 short story is it's going to be moved to Wiki 14:46:18 shintaro fire away 14:46:27 :) 14:46:34 APAC meet up perhaps? 14:47:07 usually around Feb/March 14:47:14 for the meetup 14:47:25 I think we had pretty much settles on dates on the etherpad 14:47:33 I don't see any other proposal than from us. 14:47:46 of the dates you had available there was one that stood out due to beneficial travel schedule 14:48:01 OH you mean voting to make it official? 14:48:17 right. I need approval from the community to go 14:48:20 #topic APAC meeting 14:48:23 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-1st-2018 14:48:43 do we have enough attendance today to lock that in? 14:49:04 or should we announce vote in meeting next week to approve it as proposal and a specific date? 14:49:34 I am fine just doing it now. 14:49:38 works for me 14:49:40 emccormick which date was that? 14:49:56 looking... 14:50:00 #action mihalis68 to inform operators community (mailing list) that APAC will be decided next week 14:50:10 I'm good with now too 14:50:21 3/7 - 3/8 14:50:35 I imagine we will easily confirm the proposal shintaro, I just want to respect the "democratic system" of this team 14:50:43 For some reason it feels especially important these days 14:50:47 agree 14:50:54 it was the one week we could do wednesday / thursday 14:51:02 that's why I need approval 14:51:06 to allow for recovery after flying 14 hours 14:51:47 shall I mention those dates as the proposed ones for the tokyo proposal then? 14:52:07 Sure 14:52:11 or do you want to simply specify those in the proposal writeup in the above linked ether pad, shintaro? 14:52:30 I have temporally secured the venue for Mar 7 and 8 14:52:40 I can fix the etherpad 14:52:52 Perhaps if we suggest the specific dates it would prod people to pipe up if there's some conflict we haven't thought of. 14:52:54 ok then I shall say that's the date unless we hear objections or a whole competing proposal (which seems unlikely) 14:52:57 yes 14:53:00 agree 14:53:13 7 minutes leftr 14:53:23 dates are good with me 14:53:26 yay 14:53:29 I shall try to go too 14:53:47 OK - I need to head to a meeting here. Chat with you all next week 14:53:48 tokyo for 2 days is tough though 14:53:54 glad you could join us! 14:53:56 I"m gonna be rocking some serious airline status 14:54:13 any more business? Can close 5 minutes early 14:54:34 +1 for closing 14:54:48 will do when I see 5 minutes to the hour 14:54:52 unless final business crops up 14:55:06 +1 14:55:12 #endmeeting