21:29:23 <ShillaSaebi> #startmeeting Ops and Arch Guide Docs Specialty Team
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21:29:39 <ShillaSaebi> hello
21:29:44 <darrenc> hi ShillaSaebi
21:29:48 <ShillaSaebi> anyone here for the ops/arch guide meeting
21:29:49 <ShillaSaebi> hi darrenc
21:30:50 <sc68cal> here
21:31:11 <darrenc> xavpaice sends his apologies
21:31:48 <darrenc> hi sc68cal
21:32:08 <njohnston> o/
21:32:21 <ShillaSaebi> hi everyone
21:32:31 <ShillaSaebi> alright lets go ahead and get started
21:32:49 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Open reviews
21:33:02 <ShillaSaebi> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/operations-guide,n,z
21:33:14 <ShillaSaebi> please see the open reviews and feel free to review/comment
21:33:33 <ShillaSaebi> any questions on that?
21:33:56 <darrenc> yeah, I need someone to take over the networking patch
21:34:16 <ShillaSaebi> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222434/
21:34:18 <ShillaSaebi> this one
21:34:35 <njohnston> I'll check with vhoward, one moment
21:34:36 <darrenc> that's the one
21:34:48 <darrenc> yeah I emailed him, but haven't heard back
21:34:51 <ShillaSaebi> yeah lets see what vhoward and njohnston come back with
21:35:02 <darrenc> ok cheers
21:35:12 <ShillaSaebi> ok cool we can move on until we hear back
21:35:28 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Ops Meetup in Manchester
21:35:28 <vhoward> hey guys, told darren today that i'm going to work on that next week
21:35:35 <ShillaSaebi> ok cool vhoward
21:35:38 <ShillaSaebi> thanks for the update
21:35:42 <vhoward> sorry for delay on that
21:35:45 <darrenc> oh thanks vhoward :)
21:36:05 <ShillaSaebi> anyone going to the ops mid cycle meetup from our subteam?
21:36:21 <ShillaSaebi> Darren started a thread about potentially doing a swarm there and it seems most people are not attending from our group
21:36:21 <darrenc> not me
21:36:30 <darrenc> asettle can attend
21:36:30 <ShillaSaebi> so we discussed potentially doing it in Austin
21:36:59 <ShillaSaebi> sc68cal will you be in Manchester
21:37:19 <sc68cal> ShillaSaebi: no, i won't.
21:37:25 <ShillaSaebi> ok
21:37:33 <ShillaSaebi> maybe it's something we can think about for Austin?
21:37:41 <ShillaSaebi> seems like most members of our team will not be there
21:37:44 <darrenc> We could do austin, but we'll need to change the deadline
21:37:50 <ShillaSaebi> yes
21:37:54 <ShillaSaebi> we should do that
21:38:44 <sc68cal> summits are not usually a good place to get work done -.-
21:38:55 <sc68cal> crippling ADHD
21:39:31 <darrenc> before or after summit?
21:40:06 <sc68cal> before might be good. I think the problem with after is usually everyone is exhausted
21:40:14 <darrenc> true
21:40:15 <ShillaSaebi> yeah maybe a day before?
21:40:25 <darrenc> yeah that could work
21:40:35 <darrenc> but is one day enough?
21:40:36 <sc68cal> I mean if nobody is going to the keynote on monday that might be a good time to do face to face
21:41:15 <ShillaSaebi> ill probably be going to the keynote
21:43:52 <ShillaSaebi> do we want to take this offline maybe
21:44:01 <darrenc> sure
21:44:03 <ShillaSaebi> we can further discuss it in the thread thats alraedy going
21:44:14 <ShillaSaebi> sc68cal : are u on the existing thread?
21:44:42 <sc68cal> ShillaSaebi: is it on openstack-docs?
21:44:53 <ShillaSaebi> im not sure, darrenc did you send it to the ml
21:45:00 <ShillaSaebi> or was it just to some ppl from the subteam?
21:45:11 <darrenc> ppl on the subteam
21:45:36 <darrenc> I can add it to the mailing list
21:46:01 <ShillaSaebi> ok
21:46:05 <ShillaSaebi> ML would be great
21:46:06 <ShillaSaebi> thanks
21:46:34 <ShillaSaebi> alright
21:46:40 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Arch Guide Reorg Efforts
21:46:44 <ShillaSaebi> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Architecture_Design_Guide_work_items
21:46:53 <ShillaSaebi> here are the work items that are ongoing for the arch guide
21:47:19 <ShillaSaebi> the main thing to know here is to commit your work to the draft directory on openstack-manuals/docs/arch-design-draft
21:47:24 <ShillaSaebi> not the original repo
21:47:41 <ShillaSaebi> let me know if you have any questions
21:49:25 <sc68cal> wow there are three arch-design related directories in openstack-manuals
21:49:39 <sc68cal> arch-design, -draft and -rst
21:50:02 <sc68cal> whoops
21:50:05 <ShillaSaebi> draft should be in rst format right
21:50:20 <sc68cal> was - I just haven't run git clean -fd in a while
21:50:27 <sc68cal> just arch-design and -draft now
21:50:35 <darrenc> yep
21:51:28 <sc68cal> good riddance to docbook
21:51:53 <sc68cal> poor anne had to take the original output from some CMS system, into docbook for the first release of the arch guide
21:52:16 <darrenc> how painful
21:52:50 <ShillaSaebi> yeah
21:52:53 <ShillaSaebi> definitely
21:53:12 <ShillaSaebi> alright any other questions/comments on that
21:53:44 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Feedback on arch guide virtual swarm
21:54:05 <ShillaSaebi> Ok we had a virtual swarm on 21-22 December and had a lot of help from some of the members of the team
21:54:12 <ShillaSaebi> thank you for the hard work
21:56:01 <darrenc> Personally I think it was difficult to get everyone on the same page in the virtual swarm
21:56:14 <ShillaSaebi> I agree
21:56:22 <ShillaSaebi> the time zone differences
21:56:25 <ShillaSaebi> and being virtual
21:56:30 <ShillaSaebi> at all random hours
21:56:45 <darrenc> Plus it was difficult for everyone give their input into the changes
21:57:02 <darrenc> yes time zones
21:59:00 <darrenc> that said, in APAC we had a few ppl working together which was good
21:59:04 <ShillaSaebi> so hopefully we can shoot for an in person next time
21:59:11 <darrenc> yep
22:00:04 <ShillaSaebi> great
22:01:05 <darrenc> also I think having it before christmas wasn't ideal
22:01:32 <darrenc> participation was much lower than expected
22:01:54 <ShillaSaebi> lol
22:01:56 <ShillaSaebi> yeah
22:02:07 <ShillaSaebi> thats a lesson learned
22:02:27 <ShillaSaebi> alright
22:02:35 <ShillaSaebi> do we have anything else we want to discuss
22:02:41 <ShillaSaebi> #topic open discussion
22:03:12 <ShillaSaebi> feel free to bring up anything
22:03:15 <ShillaSaebi> open discussion
22:03:41 <darrenc> we need to consider the o'reilly thing for the ops guide
22:04:21 <ShillaSaebi> what was the latest update with that
22:04:46 <darrenc> nothing since lana informed us
22:06:15 <darrenc> I'm not sure what costs are involved in publishing another edition
22:06:36 <katomo> ShillaSaebi, darrenc, good morning :)
22:06:43 <darrenc> hi katomo
22:06:59 <darrenc> and effort
22:07:35 <darrenc> but my understanding is o'rielly likes books in asciidoc
22:07:40 <ShillaSaebi> hi katomo
22:07:55 <ShillaSaebi> ok
22:07:59 <ShillaSaebi> maybe we can check back with Lana
22:08:00 <darrenc> so we would need to convert at some point
22:08:27 <ShillaSaebi> ok
22:09:47 <darrenc> I'll chat to lana
22:09:53 <ShillaSaebi> sounds great
22:09:59 <ShillaSaebi> anything anyone else wants to bring up or discuss?
22:10:13 <ShillaSaebi> if not, we can get 20 min back
22:10:31 <katomo> RST conversion ?
22:10:40 <katomo> already discussed ?
22:10:48 <ShillaSaebi> for the arch guide?
22:10:50 <ShillaSaebi> or ops guide?
22:10:52 <darrenc> oh yeah the ops guide needs to be converted
22:10:53 <katomo> ops guide
22:11:02 <ShillaSaebi> yeah we didn't actually discuss that
22:11:06 <darrenc> that's the only guide left I think
22:11:09 <ShillaSaebi> when do u guys want to start that
22:11:21 <ShillaSaebi> do we have the blueprint and spec approved
22:11:32 <darrenc> yes
22:11:52 <ShillaSaebi> cool
22:11:57 <ShillaSaebi> so when do u guys wanna get started
22:12:06 <katomo> if we don't reorganize ops guide until Newton cycle, we have 2 months to convert
22:12:21 <darrenc> but I think we were going to push it back to the O-release?
22:12:24 <katomo> I want to start
22:12:57 <darrenc> If there are ppl available to do it, I don't see why not
22:13:37 <katomo> yeah, I believe
22:13:38 <darrenc> We seem to convert things pretty quickly these days
22:13:53 <darrenc> let me find the spec
22:14:00 <ShillaSaebi> cool
22:14:03 <ShillaSaebi> im ready to do it as well
22:14:07 <ShillaSaebi> we should do it in the same format
22:14:15 <ShillaSaebi> assign out chapters and go
22:14:50 <darrenc> Cool, we'll need to run this by Lana
22:14:57 <ShillaSaebi> ok
22:15:10 <katomo> ok
22:15:15 <ShillaSaebi> i can add it to the specialty team updates email i am sending her
22:15:24 <ShillaSaebi> i already sent it but ill add this on
22:15:28 <ShillaSaebi> ok cool anything else
22:15:29 <darrenc> sounds good
22:16:10 <darrenc> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/ops-guide-rst
22:16:17 <darrenc> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/ops-guide-rst
22:16:27 <darrenc> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/ops-guide-rst
22:16:34 <darrenc> whoops
22:16:46 <ShillaSaebi> heh
22:17:08 <katomo> :)
22:17:45 <katomo> approved! thanks, darrenc
22:19:28 <darrenc> oh I think I'm confused
22:19:59 <darrenc> I drafted this before the Mitaka
22:20:14 <ShillaSaebi> yea
22:20:43 <darrenc> so we are doing it for this release
22:21:09 <ShillaSaebi> yes
22:21:43 <darrenc> gosh, time flies
22:22:04 <darrenc> ok probably still mention it to Lana
22:22:08 <ShillaSaebi> ok
22:22:09 <ShillaSaebi> will do
22:22:11 <ShillaSaebi> :)
22:22:13 <darrenc> I'll set up the migration page
22:22:18 <ShillaSaebi> great
22:22:42 <katomo> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate#Operations_Guide
22:23:06 <darrenc> nice, thanks katomo
22:23:08 <katomo> darrence: thanks. need update :)
22:23:50 <katomo> *darrenc
22:25:17 <ShillaSaebi> ok anything else ?
22:25:35 <darrenc> I have nothing else
22:25:44 <katomo> none
22:26:45 <ShillaSaebi> ok great
22:26:47 <ShillaSaebi> thanks everyone
22:26:49 <ShillaSaebi> #endmeeting