21:29:23 <ShillaSaebi> #startmeeting Ops and Arch Guide Docs Specialty Team 21:29:24 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Jan 28 21:29:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:29:25 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:29:27 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'ops_and_arch_guide_docs_specialty_team' 21:29:39 <ShillaSaebi> hello 21:29:44 <darrenc> hi ShillaSaebi 21:29:48 <ShillaSaebi> anyone here for the ops/arch guide meeting 21:29:49 <ShillaSaebi> hi darrenc 21:30:50 <sc68cal> here 21:31:11 <darrenc> xavpaice sends his apologies 21:31:48 <darrenc> hi sc68cal 21:32:08 <njohnston> o/ 21:32:21 <ShillaSaebi> hi everyone 21:32:31 <ShillaSaebi> alright lets go ahead and get started 21:32:49 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Open reviews 21:33:02 <ShillaSaebi> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/operations-guide,n,z 21:33:14 <ShillaSaebi> please see the open reviews and feel free to review/comment 21:33:33 <ShillaSaebi> any questions on that? 21:33:56 <darrenc> yeah, I need someone to take over the networking patch 21:34:16 <ShillaSaebi> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222434/ 21:34:18 <ShillaSaebi> this one 21:34:35 <njohnston> I'll check with vhoward, one moment 21:34:36 <darrenc> that's the one 21:34:48 <darrenc> yeah I emailed him, but haven't heard back 21:34:51 <ShillaSaebi> yeah lets see what vhoward and njohnston come back with 21:35:02 <darrenc> ok cheers 21:35:12 <ShillaSaebi> ok cool we can move on until we hear back 21:35:28 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Ops Meetup in Manchester 21:35:28 <vhoward> hey guys, told darren today that i'm going to work on that next week 21:35:35 <ShillaSaebi> ok cool vhoward 21:35:38 <ShillaSaebi> thanks for the update 21:35:42 <vhoward> sorry for delay on that 21:35:45 <darrenc> oh thanks vhoward :) 21:36:05 <ShillaSaebi> anyone going to the ops mid cycle meetup from our subteam? 21:36:21 <ShillaSaebi> Darren started a thread about potentially doing a swarm there and it seems most people are not attending from our group 21:36:21 <darrenc> not me 21:36:30 <darrenc> asettle can attend 21:36:30 <ShillaSaebi> so we discussed potentially doing it in Austin 21:36:59 <ShillaSaebi> sc68cal will you be in Manchester 21:37:19 <sc68cal> ShillaSaebi: no, i won't. 21:37:25 <ShillaSaebi> ok 21:37:33 <ShillaSaebi> maybe it's something we can think about for Austin? 21:37:41 <ShillaSaebi> seems like most members of our team will not be there 21:37:44 <darrenc> We could do austin, but we'll need to change the deadline 21:37:50 <ShillaSaebi> yes 21:37:54 <ShillaSaebi> we should do that 21:38:44 <sc68cal> summits are not usually a good place to get work done -.- 21:38:55 <sc68cal> crippling ADHD 21:39:31 <darrenc> before or after summit? 21:40:06 <sc68cal> before might be good. I think the problem with after is usually everyone is exhausted 21:40:14 <darrenc> true 21:40:15 <ShillaSaebi> yeah maybe a day before? 21:40:25 <darrenc> yeah that could work 21:40:35 <darrenc> but is one day enough? 21:40:36 <sc68cal> I mean if nobody is going to the keynote on monday that might be a good time to do face to face 21:41:15 <ShillaSaebi> ill probably be going to the keynote 21:43:52 <ShillaSaebi> do we want to take this offline maybe 21:44:01 <darrenc> sure 21:44:03 <ShillaSaebi> we can further discuss it in the thread thats alraedy going 21:44:14 <ShillaSaebi> sc68cal : are u on the existing thread? 21:44:42 <sc68cal> ShillaSaebi: is it on openstack-docs? 21:44:53 <ShillaSaebi> im not sure, darrenc did you send it to the ml 21:45:00 <ShillaSaebi> or was it just to some ppl from the subteam? 21:45:11 <darrenc> ppl on the subteam 21:45:36 <darrenc> I can add it to the mailing list 21:46:01 <ShillaSaebi> ok 21:46:05 <ShillaSaebi> ML would be great 21:46:06 <ShillaSaebi> thanks 21:46:34 <ShillaSaebi> alright 21:46:40 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Arch Guide Reorg Efforts 21:46:44 <ShillaSaebi> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Architecture_Design_Guide_work_items 21:46:53 <ShillaSaebi> here are the work items that are ongoing for the arch guide 21:47:19 <ShillaSaebi> the main thing to know here is to commit your work to the draft directory on openstack-manuals/docs/arch-design-draft 21:47:24 <ShillaSaebi> not the original repo 21:47:41 <ShillaSaebi> let me know if you have any questions 21:49:25 <sc68cal> wow there are three arch-design related directories in openstack-manuals 21:49:39 <sc68cal> arch-design, -draft and -rst 21:50:02 <sc68cal> whoops 21:50:05 <ShillaSaebi> draft should be in rst format right 21:50:20 <sc68cal> was - I just haven't run git clean -fd in a while 21:50:27 <sc68cal> just arch-design and -draft now 21:50:35 <darrenc> yep 21:51:28 <sc68cal> good riddance to docbook 21:51:53 <sc68cal> poor anne had to take the original output from some CMS system, into docbook for the first release of the arch guide 21:52:16 <darrenc> how painful 21:52:50 <ShillaSaebi> yeah 21:52:53 <ShillaSaebi> definitely 21:53:12 <ShillaSaebi> alright any other questions/comments on that 21:53:44 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Feedback on arch guide virtual swarm 21:54:05 <ShillaSaebi> Ok we had a virtual swarm on 21-22 December and had a lot of help from some of the members of the team 21:54:12 <ShillaSaebi> thank you for the hard work 21:56:01 <darrenc> Personally I think it was difficult to get everyone on the same page in the virtual swarm 21:56:14 <ShillaSaebi> I agree 21:56:22 <ShillaSaebi> the time zone differences 21:56:25 <ShillaSaebi> and being virtual 21:56:30 <ShillaSaebi> at all random hours 21:56:45 <darrenc> Plus it was difficult for everyone give their input into the changes 21:57:02 <darrenc> yes time zones 21:59:00 <darrenc> that said, in APAC we had a few ppl working together which was good 21:59:04 <ShillaSaebi> so hopefully we can shoot for an in person next time 21:59:11 <darrenc> yep 22:00:04 <ShillaSaebi> great 22:01:05 <darrenc> also I think having it before christmas wasn't ideal 22:01:32 <darrenc> participation was much lower than expected 22:01:54 <ShillaSaebi> lol 22:01:56 <ShillaSaebi> yeah 22:02:07 <ShillaSaebi> thats a lesson learned 22:02:27 <ShillaSaebi> alright 22:02:35 <ShillaSaebi> do we have anything else we want to discuss 22:02:41 <ShillaSaebi> #topic open discussion 22:03:12 <ShillaSaebi> feel free to bring up anything 22:03:15 <ShillaSaebi> open discussion 22:03:41 <darrenc> we need to consider the o'reilly thing for the ops guide 22:04:21 <ShillaSaebi> what was the latest update with that 22:04:46 <darrenc> nothing since lana informed us 22:06:15 <darrenc> I'm not sure what costs are involved in publishing another edition 22:06:36 <katomo> ShillaSaebi, darrenc, good morning :) 22:06:43 <darrenc> hi katomo 22:06:59 <darrenc> and effort 22:07:35 <darrenc> but my understanding is o'rielly likes books in asciidoc 22:07:40 <ShillaSaebi> hi katomo 22:07:55 <ShillaSaebi> ok 22:07:59 <ShillaSaebi> maybe we can check back with Lana 22:08:00 <darrenc> so we would need to convert at some point 22:08:27 <ShillaSaebi> ok 22:09:47 <darrenc> I'll chat to lana 22:09:53 <ShillaSaebi> sounds great 22:09:59 <ShillaSaebi> anything anyone else wants to bring up or discuss? 22:10:13 <ShillaSaebi> if not, we can get 20 min back 22:10:31 <katomo> RST conversion ? 22:10:40 <katomo> already discussed ? 22:10:48 <ShillaSaebi> for the arch guide? 22:10:50 <ShillaSaebi> or ops guide? 22:10:52 <darrenc> oh yeah the ops guide needs to be converted 22:10:53 <katomo> ops guide 22:11:02 <ShillaSaebi> yeah we didn't actually discuss that 22:11:06 <darrenc> that's the only guide left I think 22:11:09 <ShillaSaebi> when do u guys want to start that 22:11:21 <ShillaSaebi> do we have the blueprint and spec approved 22:11:32 <darrenc> yes 22:11:52 <ShillaSaebi> cool 22:11:57 <ShillaSaebi> so when do u guys wanna get started 22:12:06 <katomo> if we don't reorganize ops guide until Newton cycle, we have 2 months to convert 22:12:21 <darrenc> but I think we were going to push it back to the O-release? 22:12:24 <katomo> I want to start 22:12:57 <darrenc> If there are ppl available to do it, I don't see why not 22:13:37 <katomo> yeah, I believe 22:13:38 <darrenc> We seem to convert things pretty quickly these days 22:13:53 <darrenc> let me find the spec 22:14:00 <ShillaSaebi> cool 22:14:03 <ShillaSaebi> im ready to do it as well 22:14:07 <ShillaSaebi> we should do it in the same format 22:14:15 <ShillaSaebi> assign out chapters and go 22:14:50 <darrenc> Cool, we'll need to run this by Lana 22:14:57 <ShillaSaebi> ok 22:15:10 <katomo> ok 22:15:15 <ShillaSaebi> i can add it to the specialty team updates email i am sending her 22:15:24 <ShillaSaebi> i already sent it but ill add this on 22:15:28 <ShillaSaebi> ok cool anything else 22:15:29 <darrenc> sounds good 22:16:10 <darrenc> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/ops-guide-rst 22:16:17 <darrenc> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/ops-guide-rst 22:16:27 <darrenc> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/ops-guide-rst 22:16:34 <darrenc> whoops 22:16:46 <ShillaSaebi> heh 22:17:08 <katomo> :) 22:17:45 <katomo> approved! thanks, darrenc 22:19:28 <darrenc> oh I think I'm confused 22:19:59 <darrenc> I drafted this before the Mitaka 22:20:14 <ShillaSaebi> yea 22:20:43 <darrenc> so we are doing it for this release 22:21:09 <ShillaSaebi> yes 22:21:43 <darrenc> gosh, time flies 22:22:04 <darrenc> ok probably still mention it to Lana 22:22:08 <ShillaSaebi> ok 22:22:09 <ShillaSaebi> will do 22:22:11 <ShillaSaebi> :) 22:22:13 <darrenc> I'll set up the migration page 22:22:18 <ShillaSaebi> great 22:22:42 <katomo> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate#Operations_Guide 22:23:06 <darrenc> nice, thanks katomo 22:23:08 <katomo> darrence: thanks. need update :) 22:23:50 <katomo> *darrenc 22:25:17 <ShillaSaebi> ok anything else ? 22:25:35 <darrenc> I have nothing else 22:25:44 <katomo> none 22:26:45 <ShillaSaebi> ok great 22:26:47 <ShillaSaebi> thanks everyone 22:26:49 <ShillaSaebi> #endmeeting