18:00:11 #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group 18:00:12 Meeting started Thu Feb 28 18:00:11 2013 UTC. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:13 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:00:15 The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' 18:00:29 good morning security group :-) 18:00:37 morning.. 18:00:42 (or afternoon / evening) 18:01:22 I wanted to start by discussing design summit sessions 18:01:35 #topic Design Summit Sessions 18:01:48 #link http://summit.openstack.org/ 18:02:04 Just curious what people are planning on proposing in the security space 18:02:33 I know there's the key manager one 18:02:57 We are looking at having a disk encryption one 18:03:08 right, is that proposed yet? 18:03:22 Not officially. Still working on that 18:03:27 kk 18:03:43 I've been toying with the idea of putting something together on RBAC… would that be of interest? 18:04:20 I'd be interested 18:04:24 specifically, looking at what is needed to start providing meaningful RBAC across the stack 18:04:58 Yes. 18:05:09 ok, I'll see if I can formalize that a bit and put something together… input welcome 18:05:20 I would suggest pinging ayoung@redhat.com 18:05:26 #action Bryan to think about RBAC design session 18:05:36 ah, good idea 18:05:48 #action Bryan to ping ayoung re RBAC 18:06:29 if there are other security related topics, please let us know 18:06:44 for better or worse, I don't think that there will be a security track 18:07:03 so we will be scattered… but that does keep us integrated into the individual projects 18:07:06 which has its benefits 18:07:11 will there be a security track in the user sessions? 18:07:29 I'm guessing that there will be… there was last time 18:07:37 and there were lots of security talks presenting this time 18:07:43 okay, cool 18:07:46 s/presenting/proposed/ 18:08:03 consider me pung 18:08:11 ;) 18:08:16 hey ayoung :-) 18:08:30 I'll contact you outside of this meeting to chat about RBAC a bit… sound good? 18:08:35 yep 18:08:39 thanks 18:09:04 * bdpayne never knew "pung" was a word 18:09:18 ok, any other discussion on the summit? 18:09:33 ping + ayoung = pung.. 18:09:42 heh 18:09:53 there was some talk about an informal meetup of the OSSG, any update there? 18:10:12 probably should bring up trusts 18:10:31 Re the meet up, would it be useful to plan it this far in advance? 18:10:38 But let me get them finished first. 18:11:09 We can, but I just assumed people would rather set it up closer to the event 18:11:35 It's useful if not meeting during regular conference days (i.e. meet early day of or day late) 18:11:36 that's okay with me, just wanted to make sure I haven't missed anything 18:12:08 so, nothing planned yet… I'll certainly announce here 18:12:27 once the summit schedule is out, let's pick a night for dinner 18:12:37 sounds good 18:12:43 indeed. 18:12:56 ok, pushing ahead 18:13:01 #topic Hardening Guide 18:13:10 I saw that there was some chatter on this last week 18:13:20 both in the meeting, and outside of the meeting some feedback on the outline 18:13:41 Yes. 18:13:50 so, thanks! 18:13:57 I submitted a pull request, but I am not entirely happy with content/flow.. 18:13:57 I wanted to discuss the format for the guide 18:14:09 specifically, latex versus ?? 18:14:25 ok, let's discuss format, and I can bring up the content/flow issues.. 18:14:27 I think that latex was chosen by Rob and I b/c we know it best and were comfortable working with it 18:14:47 but, we're open to change if that would get other's more involved 18:15:06 bdpayne, I am also proposing a summit talk that would fall under the aegis of Hardening 18:15:25 so… can someone suggest a text based format that they would prefer to latex? 18:15:33 bdpayne, markdown 18:15:36 i would suggest changing the format only because I have limited time to devote to getting up to proper speed with Tex.. 18:15:40 that is what we are using for the API docs 18:15:46 +1 for markdown. 18:15:59 ok, that works with me 18:16:17 https://github.com/openstack/identity-api/tree/master/openstack-identity-api/src/markdown 18:16:26 basically, I only want to take the time to convert and learn a new language if others will actually contribute more because of it 18:17:09 so, if I switch to markdown… will others then start putting up PRs? :-) 18:17:20 of course! 18:17:29 ok, we have a deal 18:17:50 #action Bryan to convert hardening guide from latex to markdown … after learning markdown 18:18:31 real quick before we discuss hardening guide content… ayoung you had a summit talk idea? 18:19:25 bdpayne, yes, let me post link 18:19:53 http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/edit/22 18:20:07 you probably can't see that link, as it is an edit, but talk 22 off the summit 18:20:12 Securing Openstack Deployments with FreeIPA 18:20:30 http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/22 18:20:44 FreeIPA 18:20:47 got it 18:21:15 worth exploring… and attending for sure 18:21:16 thanks 18:21:53 noslzzp you had thoughts on guide content? 18:22:04 Yes. 18:22:20 #link https://github.com/hyakuhei/OSSG_Hardening_Guide/blob/master/outline-expanded.txt 18:22:38 in the enhanced outline, there are sections for individual OpenStack components and then sections on general security areas. 18:23:02 I'm not sure how to efficiently present/cover the two. 18:24:05 I actually think you did a reasonably good job with your outline in that regard 18:24:14 starting with an overview 18:24:18 I think maybe we cover each component and then have best practices for the more general areas. 18:24:26 some details of how we think about security… setting the tone 18:24:40 cover the components 18:24:53 and then cover the cross component security areas 18:25:11 and this is what you already have in that outline 18:25:27 what do others think? 18:25:46 Yes, it's there already, but I could see that in the "cross-component" areas we could get into specifics related only to one component. Hypervisor security for example. 18:26:21 sorry, let me clarify.. In the "System and Communication Security", there could be hype visor only issues. 18:26:49 yeah, but that's ok 18:26:59 ok. 18:27:00 for example, hypervisor != nova 18:27:19 and I think it muddies the waters a bit to try to blend it all 18:27:49 so, in the nova section we can talk about nova stuff specifically… and then in then reference down to the hypervisor section to discuss stuff there 18:27:57 Fair enough. :) 18:28:08 * bdpayne hopes markdown is expressive enough to provide cross section links :-) 18:28:25 btw, this is the markdown you have in mind, right? http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax 18:29:17 That's what I was thinking at least.. and yes, it supports internal linking. 18:29:24 ok cool 18:29:40 I'm just giving you a hard time since I'm a latex snob ;-) 18:29:49 no worries. 18:29:53 ok, thanks all 18:30:38 I'll work on the action items… and see you guys back here next week. Please check in on the hardening guide and start thinking about where you could contribute content. 18:30:51 #endmeeting