12:59:02 <eumel8> #startmeeting openstack_i18n_office_hour
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12:59:06 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_office_hour'
12:59:07 <eumel8> #topic Open Discussion
12:59:19 <eumel8> Start the meeting ;)
12:59:30 <eumel8> Welcome to I18n office hour
12:59:42 <ianychoi> i will be online in 15 mins...
12:59:53 <eumel8> ok
13:00:18 <eumel8> but will close in time :)
13:04:52 <jpich> Hello
13:05:08 <eumel8> hello jpich :)
13:08:36 <jpich> eumel8: Are you in Denver? I can't recall
13:09:18 <eumel8> jpich: I'm already in Berlin :-))
13:09:47 <jpich> Oh did you only go for the cross-project days?
13:10:13 <eumel8> no, no Denver travel
13:10:20 <jpich> Ah!
13:10:43 <eumel8> too many parallel events this week. At the end I was already at home ;)
13:10:48 <jpich> No RDO party for you
13:11:06 <jpich> Fair enough! That way you won't be late for the Summit :-)
13:12:40 <eumel8> not sure, I have so many other events to organize around the Summit. Hopefully I have time for the main event there ;)
13:13:20 <jpich> haha!
13:14:28 <ianychoi> jpich, oh are u in Denver?!
13:14:35 <jpich> Nope
13:14:45 <ianychoi> jpich, I was in Denver but now am in Korea :(
13:14:53 <jpich> Ah! How was Denver? :)
13:15:00 <ianychoi> Great :)
13:15:03 <jpich> Productive conversations??
13:15:36 <ianychoi> Sure! So great memories
13:15:36 <eumel8> I saw only beer bottles and glasses ;)
13:15:38 <ianychoi> #link https://twitter.com/ianychoi/status/1039675065715982336
13:16:01 <ianychoi> #link https://twitter.com/ianychoi/status/1039301387702624256
13:16:12 <eumel8> yeah, the Docs Team :)
13:16:29 <ianychoi> And the following is one of productive conversations, although I was not on Wednesday
13:16:32 <ianychoi> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-September/134609.html
13:17:05 <eumel8> ianychoi: is the interview already online?
13:17:09 <ianychoi> Also I18n :) I had nice conversation with openstack-helm team for from Korean to English documentation
13:17:09 <jpich> Nice!
13:17:13 <ianychoi> eumel8, not yet :(
13:17:45 <eumel8> just wondering, rbowen wasn't there
13:18:21 <ianychoi> Also Doug and Monty kindly tried to help a lot with nice conversation, although the the discussion on the upper link happened on Wed, during my return flight to Korea
13:19:01 <eumel8> yes, time is running fast
13:19:02 <ianychoi> And I discussed w/ Storyboard team how to I18n-ize Storyboard dashboard, and we discussed some possible ways of I18n-ing Storyboard dashboard
13:19:42 <ianychoi> In addition, FC-sig team really wants to make contributor-guide i18n-ized. Also nice conversation
13:20:06 <eumel8> nice
13:20:08 <ianychoi> Sorry I couldn't now provide summary - I think I can summarize on this weekend
13:21:10 <ianychoi> eumel8, and... Petr suggested an interesting idea.. merging Docs office hour and I18n office hour into one. How about this idea? :)
13:23:02 <eumel8> mhm, I don't know. Interests are slidely different.
13:23:34 <eumel8> But I observ the situation how Docs office hour works and ours also
13:23:55 <ianychoi> I think it is fine since 1) we don't have enough quorum 2) Some interests are duplicated 3) We know each other a lot
13:26:14 <eumel8> yes, but I was a little bit disappointed when I checked the attendee list on the PTG etherpad for docs/i18n. There are fewer and fewer people every year. I think we have to change things in general.
13:26:34 <ianychoi> eumel8, which possible things in general?
13:30:20 <eumel8> from my observations you collaborate a lot with other teams or SIGs in Denver. That's be very good. But there is no more work as an independent team - on I18n side and now also on Docs side
13:33:26 <eumel8> but maybe I'm wrong. Want to talk to Petr also :)
13:34:04 <ianychoi> I think collaboration makes I18n team get more attention and be much stronger with the help inside & outside of the team. I can definitely say that there are more progress on doc translation support, translating whitepapers, additional I18n process on openstack-helm team as a pilot, contributor-guide, and Storyboard.
13:34:55 <ianychoi> Second, it definitely seems that Docs & I18n are stablized, and more additional unofficial projects (from the perspective of TC) want to get more Docs/I18n.
13:36:40 <ianychoi> I cannot say that I am the best to address all possible Docs/I18n issues we are facing. I cannot change current trend and the interest of people and contributors, but what I could do is to share the issues in Docs/I18n which might be related with other projects and discuss how Docs/I18n teams can address
13:38:15 <ianychoi> Aha.. one forgot thing I wanted to share (although eumel8 already knew): AUC criteria and it seems that there is no objection on UC: "i18n would like translators that work on whitepapers or User Survey to get AUC status - Yes no brainer :)
13:38:15 <ianychoi> " from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uc-stein-ptg
13:41:17 <eumel8> ianychoi: yes, that's fine and I'm happy with your tireless work, but I don't know if this justify a project team. You had this idea with the I18n SIG. Maybe we want to think about it again.
13:42:43 <ianychoi> eumel8, thanks but you also do tireless work :)
13:44:02 <eumel8> ianychoi: yes, but this is not endless ;)
13:44:10 <ianychoi> eumel8, I had two different ideas: 1) I18n team -> I18n SIG and 2) I18n team + Globalization SIG. For 1), let's think after I18n team has no PTL candidate. For 2), it seems that more agreement on all OpenStack world might be needed..
13:44:41 <ianychoi> eumel8, we are now doing well - that's pretty fine and let's seriously consider on next cycle :)
13:45:21 <ianychoi> Me is also under strange situation.. with unstable life in Korea but I am happy to still talk with u
13:45:27 <ianychoi> and many OpenStack contributors
13:47:20 <eumel8> yes, but somebody has to buy the rolls at the end. You should ask Jimmy for a permanent position at the OSF local office in Korea :)
13:48:12 <ianychoi> Haha.. thanks a lot for such saying but I really don't know how to proceed such position..
13:48:35 <ianychoi> Perspective and thinking might be very different
13:49:31 <ianychoi> My perspective, your perspective, the perspective of others might be different..
13:59:03 <eumel8> ok, have to move
13:59:14 <eumel8> thx for participating
13:59:19 <eumel8> cu later :)
13:59:23 <ianychoi> eumel8, cu later :)
13:59:27 <eumel8> #endmeeting