15:00:28 <portdirect> #startmeeting openstack-helm
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15:00:34 <roman_g> o/
15:00:37 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm'
15:00:37 <lamt> o/
15:00:49 <portdirect> lets give it a few mins for people to trickle in
15:01:01 <mattmceuen> o/
15:01:17 <jaesang> o/
15:03:22 <evrardjp> o/
15:03:33 <srwilkers> o/
15:04:26 <srwilkers> pete's wifi is being dodgy, he'll be back in a moment
15:04:52 <evrardjp> give me time to recheck all my meetings timezones.
15:04:52 <portdirect> ok - i think im back
15:05:02 <portdirect> lets go !
15:05:25 <portdirect> the Agenda for today is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2018-11-06
15:05:40 <portdirect> #topic Images repo
15:06:09 <portdirect> so - we are running a bit behind on what we planned to do last week, though it looks like things are moving now :)
15:06:32 <portdirect> srwilkers is planning on colating the dockerfiles we have todate in this repo this week
15:06:57 <portdirect> and i know evrardjp has a spec up that we should review:  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/615623/
15:07:18 <portdirect> i have quickly gone over it - though have been caught up in production fun this week
15:07:43 <jayahn> production fun it is.. same here
15:08:02 <portdirect> following the meeting it's really important we get eyes on this - as I hope it will make osh a lot easier to consume
15:08:05 <evrardjp> So, my spec here doesn't explain how the multiple distros should happen
15:08:11 <portdirect> as well as generally a higher quality product
15:08:19 <portdirect> over to you evrardjp
15:08:43 <evrardjp> I strongly believe that separating images is better for the project, but it's not without its downsides
15:09:11 <evrardjp> I think we can overcome them by being careful in our +W reviews
15:09:49 <evrardjp> I suppose if we agree on the spec here above, we can continue our trajectory with the addition of multiple distros
15:10:24 <evrardjp> this should give a generic idea of how I intend to do things on multiple distros (but needs to happen after the spec)
15:10:26 <evrardjp> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/615571/
15:10:31 <evrardjp> please have a look at both
15:10:53 <evrardjp> thanks
15:11:13 <portdirect> will do evrardjp
15:11:13 <mattmceuen> thanks evrardjp, will take a look today/tomorrow
15:11:31 <evrardjp> I am happy to collabore with srwilkers on the dockerfile migration
15:11:36 <evrardjp> collaborate*
15:11:58 <srwilkers> works for me
15:11:58 <evrardjp> that's all I have for now
15:12:20 <portdirect> ok, so onto the next topic
15:12:23 <portdirect> #topic Docs repo
15:12:36 <portdirect> jayahn: i think this one should be yours?
15:12:56 <portdirect> again - gettimg some movement before the summit would be great
15:13:14 <portdirect> even though as we go into berlin, the current documentation will still be the primary source
15:13:39 <jayahn> well, one thing for sure, jaesang and myself will focus on doc repo running
15:14:04 <jayahn> however, we need help to initially setup doc building process. not familiar with it yet.
15:14:18 <portdirect> jayahn: i think lamt and ianychoi would be great there
15:14:32 <lamt> I have an initial patch set there
15:14:35 <ianychoi> portdirect, jayahn : oh hello
15:14:36 <portdirect> if you get a placeholder ps up, we can use that to build out the publisher
15:14:41 <jayahn> i remember we discussed to make "index" somewhere in the past, should be running that aging.
15:14:44 <lamt> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/614425/
15:15:02 <lamt> it is just a basic sphinx structure
15:15:04 <ianychoi> Sorry I missed #airshipit meeting one hour ago because of a conflict
15:15:19 <jayahn> hey, ianychoi
15:15:21 <lamt> it does have a job that build the docs though
15:15:42 <jayahn> lamt: great
15:15:53 <ianychoi> jayahn, which part would you like to know on doc repo running? I think I can help this
15:16:14 <jayahn> ianychoi: cloud you please give a bit of your time for us to start this documentation?
15:16:31 <jayahn> f2f probably for the initial teaching
15:16:42 <jayahn> I will buy a great lunch
15:17:17 <portdirect> jayahn: now thats somthing i look forward to!
15:17:26 <ianychoi> jayahn, thanks seems that a meeting were delayed. How about on this Thursday lunch time?
15:18:02 <jayahn> ianychoi yeap i can do that
15:19:02 <evrardjp> portdirect: the lunch? Why am I not surprised? :p
15:19:16 <jayahn> portdirect: lamt: we need an initial draft to start index proposal. do you have any initial idea?
15:19:27 <portdirect> gotta keep my physique somehow evrardjp
15:19:32 <evrardjp> :)
15:19:37 <evrardjp> jayahn: what do you mean there?
15:20:07 <jayahn> index proposal means.. how we are going to structure osh documents, right?
15:20:19 <portdirect> jayahn: maybe your korean index translated would ab a great place to start the conversation there?
15:20:25 <ianychoi> jayahn, good :) I am on Probation Period as a new employee so I couldn't go to your office area exactly, but our offices are very near. Let's see on this Thursday lunch time!
15:21:04 <jayahn> portdirect: okay, jaesang, ianychoi, and myself will bring something up
15:21:25 <jayahn> ianychoi: 20min walk from my office. totally can make it.
15:21:36 <portdirect> ianychoi: you at skt now?
15:21:41 <ianychoi> jayahn, sounds great - thanks :)
15:21:44 <jayahn> nope. ms
15:21:47 <jayahn> :)
15:21:51 <ianychoi> portdirect, a different company :)
15:22:55 <portdirect> nice - hope you have a great time there :) and still have lots of upstream time !
15:23:04 <portdirect> we ok to move on?
15:23:09 <ianychoi> Thanks :)
15:23:11 <jayahn> yeap
15:23:12 <ianychoi> +1 :)
15:23:30 <portdirect> #topic Summit overlap
15:23:41 <portdirect> so next week theres the summit
15:23:59 <portdirect> personally i think we should take a one week break on the irc meeting
15:24:07 <portdirect> though happy to be over-ruled
15:24:35 <mattmceuen> I'm good with a week off
15:24:54 <jayahn> +1 on a week off
15:25:37 <portdirect> srwilkers just went to get coffee, but i know hes also in favor of a break
15:25:41 <jayahn> who's coming to the summit?
15:25:50 <evrardjp> I am
15:25:56 <jayahn> great!
15:25:59 <srwilkers> i will not be
15:26:03 <jayahn> sad..
15:26:09 <roman_g> not coming
15:26:17 <roman_g> jayahn: are you in Germany?
15:26:30 <portdirect> mattmceuen, alanmeadows, mark-burnet, and myself will be there from ATT
15:26:31 <jayahn> right now? nope, however, i will be next week
15:26:31 <evrardjp> Skipping the meeting is natural :)
15:26:39 <evrardjp> I mean during event time
15:26:50 <evrardjp> not the rest :p
15:27:04 <evrardjp> OMG that's not clear at all. I guess you understood me anyway
15:27:11 <portdirect> lol
15:27:19 <portdirect> it does actually bring up a point
15:27:26 <portdirect> we ok to move on?
15:27:29 <evrardjp> ok
15:28:16 <portdirect> #topic Meeting attendance, by core team
15:28:35 <jayahn> ?
15:28:38 <portdirect> so I know everyone is very busy, esp at this time of year
15:29:17 <portdirect> but I think its apparent that we have several cores who have not been able to make the meetings for quite some time
15:29:26 <portdirect> this is fine as far as im concerned
15:29:34 <portdirect> but comes with some downsides
15:30:09 <portdirect> and I'll reach out to these people to see if they can attend more often
15:30:28 <portdirect> and also encourage them to read the minutes of these meetings
15:30:46 <portdirect> there have been a lot of parallel efforts recently
15:30:47 <evrardjp> attendance on the #openstack-helm channel is also low.
15:30:56 <evrardjp> IMO
15:31:13 <portdirect> and its resulted in people stepping on each others toes more than we should
15:31:30 <portdirect> evrardjp: i agree
15:32:12 <mattmceuen> +1
15:32:16 <evrardjp> stepping on each other toes happen in open source projects, but it should not be the rule. Good communication is a general fix, whatever the media is.
15:32:24 <portdirect> ++
15:32:49 <evrardjp> ofc, using IRC channels/ML should be encouraged
15:32:55 <portdirect> Thats all i got to say on that really
15:33:10 <evrardjp> thanks for handling that
15:33:22 <jayahn> +1 on encouraging irc/ml
15:33:26 <evrardjp> It's not always easy when most of the cores are colleagues.
15:33:57 <evrardjp> I trust you'll keep an eye on this, and do your best, as usual, portdirect ! :) Don't worry too much!
15:34:01 <portdirect> ok lets move on
15:34:15 <evrardjp> agreed
15:34:18 <portdirect> #topic Forum etherpads
15:34:22 <portdirect> mattmceuen: your up!
15:36:41 <mattmceuen> Sorry for delay
15:36:43 <mattmceuen> So!
15:36:50 * evrardjp images western movies with the tumbleweed rolling.
15:37:18 <mattmceuen> THat's my office evrardjp
15:37:31 <mattmceuen> We have a wonderful cross team Forum in Berlin on container security topics
15:37:59 <mattmceuen> I think I've shared this before, but there are many ways to get containerized security wrong, and this forum is for different openstack projects to try to help each other get them right
15:38:14 <mattmceuen> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-container-security
15:38:41 <mattmceuen> Please add any topics you'd like to discuss in that forum to the etherpad, and please share it with  folks who might be interested in other teams!
15:38:58 <jayahn> okay, and I will be there
15:39:06 <mattmceuen> awesome jayahn
15:39:15 <roman_g> interesting
15:39:25 <mattmceuen> that's all from me portdirect unless anyone has questions/comments
15:39:28 <jayahn> it will help me to talk with security team afterwards. thanks.
15:39:50 <evrardjp> what is the outcome of said discussion?
15:40:30 <evrardjp> Do we want to document best practices to handle to the openstack security team, or OSH wants to put decisions into some kind of OSH manifesto
15:40:59 <portdirect> evrardjp: i'd strive for the former if possible
15:41:43 <mattmceuen> the biggest goal is just helping all the container openstack teams learn from each other, and codifying that in best practices would be an awesome way to capture that for posterity
15:41:44 <evrardjp> we should invite people from the security SIG then
15:41:50 <mattmceuen> agree
15:44:21 <evrardjp> I think as long as document said conversation and end up with some 'written' decision on how OSH will do things, this is already a win.
15:44:39 <evrardjp> After that, it can be used for Security SIG as guidelines
15:45:26 <jayahn> and any companies after that.. :)
15:46:17 <mattmceuen> really glad you all see it as valuable :)  looking forward to it, and your input to the discussion would be really welcome
15:50:09 <evrardjp> mattmceuen: I just pinged triple-o too.
15:50:14 <evrardjp> let's see how it goes
15:50:25 <portdirect> evrardjp: nice - i think theres a lot we can learn from each other
15:50:34 <portdirect> esp at the lower levels
15:51:39 <portdirect> ok - lets move on
15:51:43 <portdirect> #topic Review needed
15:52:00 <portdirect> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/603971/ >> Service-Proxy: Bring a external endpoint
15:52:00 <portdirect> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/607822/ >> Fix rally deployment config to rally 1.2.0
15:52:31 <portdirect> would bre great to get some eyes on this
15:53:10 <mattmceuen> thanks for making that connection evrardjp
15:54:00 <portdirect> #topic parkinglot
15:54:08 <portdirect> anything else we missed this week?
15:54:34 <evrardjp> deadlines?
15:54:48 <portdirect> i heard a few woosh by
15:54:59 <mattmceuen> for anyone just  joining us from the USA:  due to daylight savings this is an hour "earlier" now ;-)
15:55:08 * mattmceuen ba-dum-ching
15:55:09 <portdirect> thats in the eu too
15:55:13 <evrardjp> I was just joking because I have short deadlines :)
15:55:15 <mattmceuen> I'm sorry EU
15:55:45 <evrardjp> mattmceuen: haha -- this Daylight saving should be abolished
15:55:52 <mattmceuen> +1000
15:55:55 <evrardjp> or do it EVERYWHERE at the same time
15:55:58 <portdirect> utc ftw
15:56:12 <jayahn> EU and US, why you are saving daylight?...
15:56:16 <evrardjp> utc is nice :)
15:56:24 <portdirect> we let it back out during summer jayahn
15:56:25 <evrardjp> jayahn: money
15:56:46 <jayahn> night fall.. is good. time to go home. time to drink. lol
15:56:47 <evrardjp> US was for lamp makers :p
15:56:53 <portdirect> i keep mine in a box in the basement
15:57:04 <portdirect> and with that - lets end the meeting
15:57:04 <evrardjp> I will stop making bad jokes
15:57:09 <portdirect> #endmeeting