22:59:13 #startmeeting openstack-community 22:59:15 Meeting started Wed Aug 14 22:59:13 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fifieldt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:59:16 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 22:59:18 The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_community' 22:59:27 #topic Action items from previous meeting 22:59:39 #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_community/2013/openstack_community.2013-07-31-23.03.html 22:59:41 for the minutes 22:59:51 1. reed to investigate using blueprints and milestones to manage development projects 23:00:03 I believe he did this, and we now have blueprints on launchpad 23:00:08 2. reed to write down the new policy for the blog and communicate it 23:00:10 this was done 23:00:15 no crazily negative feedback 23:00:21 3. reed to comment on fifieldt's email titled "Dealing with Out of Date wiki pages" ;) 23:00:26 Right 23:00:33 not done yet :) postpone to next week 23:00:40 #action reed to comment on fifieldt's email titled "Dealing with Out of Date wiki pages" ;) 23:00:50 4. reed to investigate further how to use askbot widgets, find examples of other sites using them, etc 23:00:58 this is ongoing 23:01:04 5. fifieldt to have a meeting with trystack admins 23:01:10 I had a great meeting with the trystack guys 23:01:24 as a result, we're moving to make the trystack activity more open 23:01:32 Cool 23:01:37 * MarkAtwood likes 23:01:38 #info we now have http://launchpad.net/trystack 23:01:46 yay MarkAtwood :D 23:02:05 Super awesomeness 23:02:07 so their major plans for the next month are 1. getting API access running 2. getting better monitoring 23:02:27 hope to communicate more on this soon 23:02:42 that's all out action items from last meeting 23:02:45 any questions on that? 23:03:04 Not from me 23:03:16 MarkAtwood ? 23:03:41 cool, it seems not 23:03:46 the next item on the agenda is 23:04:02 #topic bugs on https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community 23:04:26 essentially a little progress on ask.openstack, but need to chat to reed for the latest 23:04:36 I also lodged a new one 23:04:38 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+bug/1212089 23:04:40 Launchpad bug 1212089 in openstack-community "answers from launchpad need to be migrated to ask.openstack.org" [Undecided,In progress] 23:05:14 and so I made a script that can migrate stuff from launchpad answers to ask.openstack 23:05:23 so if that all goes down well in community discussion 23:05:33 we can move all the old questions from launchpad answers to ask.openstack 23:05:37 Nice 23:05:38 and close the launchpad answers site 23:05:57 any other bugs on the community launchpad page take anyone's fancy? 23:06:32 Not here 23:06:35 coolo 23:07:00 So, quickly onto the last formal agenda item (after which we can talk training awesomeness) 23:07:04 #topic progress report of projects: Ask in Chinese, User Group Portal 23:07:17 #info Ask in Chinese is live 23:07:42 #link http://ask.openstack.org/zh/ 23:07:48 I spent a bit of time doing some translations 23:08:05 we're up around 80% overall, but remaining strings to be translated are mainly on the admin dashboard side 23:08:16 so we just need to get people to use it now 23:08:26 #into development on the user group portal started 23:09:44 their first task is to integrate the platform with openstack-infra 23:09:44 and they've made good progress on that 23:09:44 might be done this week 23:09:44 any queries on these two things? 23:09:44 cool, guess they make sense 23:09:44 #topic Training 23:09:44 sarob, let's talk training? :) 23:09:44 I've been seeing lots of patches going in 23:09:44 how's it all going? 23:10:08 Good so far 23:10:26 The structure is in place 23:10:47 Starting a two week sprint next week 23:11:12 that's focused on 'associate engineer'? 23:11:20 Right 23:11:39 very cool 23:11:52 and do you need anything other than your existing bodies? 23:12:12 Def need more people 23:12:28 Got anyone in 23:12:34 Mind? 23:13:02 I must admit I have interest personally :) Though not sure where the best starting point is right now 23:13:13 there's a couple of people who I could ping around the world 23:13:21 how are you coordinating the split up of work? 23:13:34 Three levels 23:13:53 Core, community, education 23:14:18 Education uses the training and submits bugs 23:14:31 Community fixes bugs 23:15:01 Core makes strategy attends sprints 23:15:26 We have five core 23:15:36 Room for more 23:15:59 righto 23:16:13 I'm going to start actively recruit in the user groups 23:16:20 For community level 23:16:43 sounds like a plan 23:17:01 I guess you want to get some kind of percentage of completeness before dragging in the masses? 23:17:30 #link docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-training 23:17:39 Not really 23:18:01 I think it is ready for whomever has interest 23:18:28 We start with associate to get our bearings 23:18:53 But I'd like to get 500 people involved if possible 23:19:00 sure, sure 23:19:04 Settle for 50 23:19:07 ;) 23:19:10 I'm just thinking along the lines of expectation management 23:19:33 recruiting "bug fixers" for something that looks like: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-training/content/bk002-ch050-associate-assessment.html 23:19:45 might cause a mismatch ins expectations 23:20:01 Ah right 23:20:06 but I'm sure you've got it in hand 23:20:07 On the first page 23:20:23 I have the levels of contribution explained 23:20:25 reading now 23:20:35 Cool 23:20:40 yeah, that makes more sense 23:21:02 looks good 23:21:14 The user stories are the content starting point 23:21:29 You need to assign 23:21:46 But anyone can join 23:21:50 Trello is open 23:22:12 cool 23:22:23 You interested in getting in? 23:22:29 sure 23:22:34 can't garuntee time as such 23:22:51 but I'll try to follow more closely and possibly contribute now I've had the personal intro from the leader :) 23:23:03 it is very exciting 23:23:07 i will start tracking it 23:23:08 If you can own a user story and get it done in a week, it's good 23:23:43 sounds like a good way to do it 23:23:46 20-30 people doing that 23:23:46 cool 23:23:49 We will 23:23:53 Shoot forward 23:24:06 ok, I'll keep an eye out for others too 23:24:12 Super 23:24:29 anything else you want to get on the record for training? 23:24:32 Core will keep stitching the content together 23:24:37 Nope 23:24:55 cool, I might just open it up so we can freestyle 23:25:02 #topic Open Discussion 23:25:07 I've got two blueprints 23:25:12 In community 23:25:32 Participation table 23:25:52 And the new member thingy 23:26:06 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+spec/foundation-participation-table 23:26:15 I'm also interested in the use group foundation tool status 23:26:26 Not a blueprint 23:26:44 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+spec/how-to-participate 23:26:46 The table I need to pick back up 23:27:17 The how to thingy is more of a foundation webtool thing 23:27:51 right, yeah 23:27:56 they looks reasonable to me 23:28:08 I know reed has lots of thoughts on the latter 23:28:14 with the "funnel" 23:28:15 Cooling 23:28:26 Ah spellcheck 23:28:27 to help progress people though the different stages 23:28:31 Right 23:28:48 I'd like to hold the user state 23:29:24 what kind of states are you thinking? 23:29:28 We have lots of hidden bits 23:29:29 member || atc || ... 23:29:34 right, true 23:29:57 I want to walk new company or user through 23:30:11 What OpenStack foundation offers 23:30:47 It's kinda foundation training 23:31:13 A step by step how to 23:31:32 something like http://www.qantas.com.au/infodetail/flying/travelClasses/firstLounge/mel/index.html ? 23:31:42 What's a gold member? 23:32:09 got it - it's leveraging your table 23:32:11 It's flash 23:32:22 it was the only example I had on hand :) 23:32:26 My iphone no likely 23:32:31 Likey 23:32:32 oh well 23:32:46 Got got the idea 23:33:10 but yeah, I think one of the other things that comes up again is people thinking they need to be a gold sponsor _before_ contributing 23:33:23 If we can tie tech training along with foundation training 23:33:42 Common misunderstand 23:33:44 IMF 23:33:47 Ing 23:33:52 got it 23:34:31 We are going to start using the board membership committee 23:34:44 To help new potentials 23:34:51 cool 23:35:21 The how to tool would be the tech version 23:35:59 got it 23:36:50 So maybe reed or you can provide some insight the user group tool 23:36:55 Next meet 23:37:00 absolutely 23:37:13 I expect we'll have a good update 23:37:16 And thoughts on the how to workflow 23:37:28 Coolo 23:37:32 also within the next month will be a new getting started page on openstack.org 23:37:37 it's already written, mostly 23:37:50 which will not achieve everything that is needed 23:37:53 Great 23:37:58 but it'll be a helluva lot better than right now 23:38:08 Well it's prob a good stopgap 23:38:17 indeed 23:38:30 I'd like 23:38:50 To give ourselves a goal of partipation 23:39:06 Like 100 commits a day or 23:39:40 10 user group events a week 23:40:11 ambitious :) 23:40:12 It would be a challenging way of rating our success 23:40:28 indeed 23:40:44 In not sure what would be good metrics 23:41:04 I just want to kick ass 23:41:10 roger that 23:41:28 * sarob sarob kicking ass 23:41:52 * fifieldt tempted to #action that 23:42:03 cool, well, is that a good point to end this meeting? 23:42:12 I think so 23:42:26 * sarob fell off soapbox 23:42:26 #endmeeting openstack-community