22:59:13 <fifieldt> #startmeeting openstack-community
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22:59:27 <fifieldt> #topic Action items from previous meeting
22:59:39 <fifieldt> #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_community/2013/openstack_community.2013-07-31-23.03.html
22:59:41 <fifieldt> for the minutes
22:59:51 <fifieldt> 1. reed to investigate using blueprints and milestones to manage development projects
23:00:03 <fifieldt> I believe he did this, and we now have blueprints on launchpad
23:00:08 <fifieldt> 2. reed to write down the new policy for the blog and communicate it
23:00:10 <fifieldt> this was done
23:00:15 <fifieldt> no crazily negative feedback
23:00:21 <fifieldt> 3. reed to comment on fifieldt's email titled "Dealing with Out of Date wiki pages" ;)
23:00:26 <sarob> Right
23:00:33 <fifieldt> not done yet :) postpone to next week
23:00:40 <fifieldt> #action  reed to comment on fifieldt's email titled "Dealing with Out of Date wiki pages" ;)
23:00:50 <fifieldt> 4. reed to investigate further how to use askbot widgets, find examples of other sites using them, etc
23:00:58 <fifieldt> this is ongoing
23:01:04 <fifieldt> 5. fifieldt to have a meeting with trystack admins
23:01:10 <fifieldt> I had a great meeting with the trystack guys
23:01:24 <fifieldt> as a result, we're moving to make the trystack activity more open
23:01:32 <sarob> Cool
23:01:37 * MarkAtwood likes
23:01:38 <fifieldt> #info we now have http://launchpad.net/trystack
23:01:46 <fifieldt> yay MarkAtwood :D
23:02:05 <sarob> Super awesomeness
23:02:07 <fifieldt> so their major plans for the next month are 1. getting API access running 2. getting better monitoring
23:02:27 <fifieldt> hope to communicate more on this soon
23:02:42 <fifieldt> that's all out action items from last meeting
23:02:45 <fifieldt> any questions on that?
23:03:04 <sarob> Not from me
23:03:16 <fifieldt> MarkAtwood ?
23:03:41 <fifieldt> cool, it seems not
23:03:46 <fifieldt> the next item on the agenda is
23:04:02 <fifieldt> #topic bugs on https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community
23:04:26 <fifieldt> essentially a little progress on ask.openstack, but need to chat to reed for the latest
23:04:36 <fifieldt> I also lodged a new one
23:04:38 <fifieldt> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+bug/1212089
23:04:40 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1212089 in openstack-community "answers from launchpad need to be migrated to ask.openstack.org" [Undecided,In progress]
23:05:14 <fifieldt> and so I made a script that can migrate stuff from launchpad answers to ask.openstack
23:05:23 <fifieldt> so if that all goes down well in community discussion
23:05:33 <fifieldt> we can move all the old questions from launchpad answers to ask.openstack
23:05:37 <sarob> Nice
23:05:38 <fifieldt> and close the launchpad answers site
23:05:57 <fifieldt> any other bugs on the community launchpad page take anyone's fancy?
23:06:32 <sarob> Not here
23:06:35 <fifieldt> coolo
23:07:00 <fifieldt> So, quickly onto the last formal agenda item (after which we can talk training awesomeness)
23:07:04 <fifieldt> #topic  progress report of projects: Ask in Chinese, User Group Portal
23:07:17 <fifieldt> #info Ask in Chinese is live
23:07:42 <fifieldt> #link http://ask.openstack.org/zh/
23:07:48 <fifieldt> I spent a bit of time doing some translations
23:08:05 <fifieldt> we're up around 80% overall, but remaining strings to be translated are mainly on the admin dashboard side
23:08:16 <fifieldt> so we just need to get people to use it now
23:08:26 <fifieldt> #into development on the user group portal started
23:09:44 <fifieldt> their first task is to integrate the platform with openstack-infra
23:09:44 <fifieldt> and they've made good progress on that
23:09:44 <fifieldt> might be done this week
23:09:44 <fifieldt> any queries on these two things?
23:09:44 <fifieldt> cool, guess they make sense
23:09:44 <fifieldt> #topic Training
23:09:44 <fifieldt> sarob, let's talk training? :)
23:09:44 <fifieldt> I've been seeing lots of patches going in
23:09:44 <fifieldt> how's it all going?
23:10:08 <sarob> Good so far
23:10:26 <sarob> The structure is in place
23:10:47 <sarob> Starting a two week sprint next week
23:11:12 <fifieldt> that's focused on 'associate engineer'?
23:11:20 <sarob> Right
23:11:39 <fifieldt> very cool
23:11:52 <fifieldt> and do you need anything other than your existing bodies?
23:12:12 <sarob> Def need more people
23:12:28 <sarob> Got anyone in
23:12:34 <sarob> Mind?
23:13:02 <fifieldt> I must admit I have interest personally :) Though not sure where the best starting point is right now
23:13:13 <fifieldt> there's a couple of people who I could ping around the world
23:13:21 <fifieldt> how are you coordinating the split up of work?
23:13:34 <sarob> Three levels
23:13:53 <sarob> Core, community, education
23:14:18 <sarob> Education uses the training and submits bugs
23:14:31 <sarob> Community fixes bugs
23:15:01 <sarob> Core makes strategy attends sprints
23:15:26 <sarob> We have five core
23:15:36 <sarob> Room for more
23:15:59 <fifieldt> righto
23:16:13 <sarob> I'm going to start actively recruit in the user groups
23:16:20 <sarob> For community level
23:16:43 <fifieldt> sounds like a plan
23:17:01 <fifieldt> I guess you want to get some kind of percentage of completeness before dragging in the masses?
23:17:30 <sarob> #link docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-training
23:17:39 <sarob> Not really
23:18:01 <sarob> I think it is ready for whomever has interest
23:18:28 <sarob> We start with associate to get our bearings
23:18:53 <sarob> But I'd like to get 500 people involved if possible
23:19:00 <fifieldt> sure, sure
23:19:04 <sarob> Settle for 50
23:19:07 <sarob> ;)
23:19:10 <fifieldt> I'm just thinking along the lines of expectation management
23:19:33 <fifieldt> recruiting "bug fixers" for something that looks like: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-training/content/bk002-ch050-associate-assessment.html
23:19:45 <fifieldt> might cause a mismatch ins expectations
23:20:01 <sarob> Ah  right
23:20:06 <fifieldt> but I'm sure you've got it in hand
23:20:07 <sarob> On the first page
23:20:23 <sarob> I have the levels of contribution explained
23:20:25 <fifieldt> reading now
23:20:35 <sarob> Cool
23:20:40 <fifieldt> yeah, that makes more sense
23:21:02 <fifieldt> looks good
23:21:14 <sarob> The user stories are the content starting point
23:21:29 <sarob> You need to assign
23:21:46 <sarob> But anyone can join
23:21:50 <sarob> Trello is open
23:22:12 <fifieldt> cool
23:22:23 <sarob> You interested in getting in?
23:22:29 <fifieldt> sure
23:22:34 <fifieldt> can't garuntee time as such
23:22:51 <fifieldt> but I'll try to follow more closely and possibly contribute now I've had the personal intro from the leader :)
23:23:03 <fifieldt> it is very exciting
23:23:07 <MarkAtwood> i will start tracking it
23:23:08 <sarob> If you can own a user story and get it done in a week, it's good
23:23:43 <fifieldt> sounds like a good way to do it
23:23:46 <sarob> 20-30 people doing that
23:23:46 <fifieldt> cool
23:23:49 <sarob> We will
23:23:53 <sarob> Shoot forward
23:24:06 <fifieldt> ok, I'll keep an eye out for others too
23:24:12 <sarob> Super
23:24:29 <fifieldt> anything else you want to get on the record for training?
23:24:32 <sarob> Core will keep stitching the content together
23:24:37 <sarob> Nope
23:24:55 <fifieldt> cool, I might just open it up so we can freestyle
23:25:02 <fifieldt> #topic Open Discussion
23:25:07 <sarob> I've got two blueprints
23:25:12 <sarob> In community
23:25:32 <sarob> Participation table
23:25:52 <sarob> And the new member thingy
23:26:06 <fifieldt> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+spec/foundation-participation-table
23:26:15 <sarob> I'm also interested in the use group foundation tool status
23:26:26 <sarob> Not a blueprint
23:26:44 <fifieldt> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+spec/how-to-participate
23:26:46 <sarob> The table I need to pick back up
23:27:17 <sarob> The how to thingy is more of a foundation webtool thing
23:27:51 <fifieldt> right, yeah
23:27:56 <fifieldt> they looks reasonable to me
23:28:08 <fifieldt> I know reed has lots of thoughts on the latter
23:28:14 <fifieldt> with the "funnel"
23:28:15 <sarob> Cooling
23:28:26 <sarob> Ah spellcheck
23:28:27 <fifieldt> to help progress people though the different stages
23:28:31 <sarob> Right
23:28:48 <sarob> I'd like to hold the user state
23:29:24 <fifieldt> what kind of states are you thinking?
23:29:28 <sarob> We have lots of hidden bits
23:29:29 <fifieldt> member || atc || ...
23:29:34 <fifieldt> right, true
23:29:57 <sarob> I want to walk new company or user through
23:30:11 <sarob> What OpenStack foundation offers
23:30:47 <sarob> It's kinda foundation training
23:31:13 <sarob> A step by step how to
23:31:32 <fifieldt> something like http://www.qantas.com.au/infodetail/flying/travelClasses/firstLounge/mel/index.html ?
23:31:42 <sarob> What's a gold member?
23:32:09 <fifieldt> got it - it's leveraging your table
23:32:11 <sarob> It's flash
23:32:22 <fifieldt> it was the only example I had on hand :)
23:32:26 <sarob> My iphone no likely
23:32:31 <sarob> Likey
23:32:32 <fifieldt> oh well
23:32:46 <sarob> Got got the idea
23:33:10 <fifieldt> but yeah, I think one of the other things that comes up again is people thinking they need to be a gold sponsor _before_ contributing
23:33:23 <sarob> If we can tie tech training along with foundation training
23:33:42 <sarob> Common misunderstand
23:33:44 <sarob> IMF
23:33:47 <sarob> Ing
23:33:52 <fifieldt> got it
23:34:31 <sarob> We are going to start using the board membership committee
23:34:44 <sarob> To help new potentials
23:34:51 <fifieldt> cool
23:35:21 <sarob> The how to tool would be the tech version
23:35:59 <fifieldt> got it
23:36:50 <sarob> So maybe reed or you can provide some insight the user group tool
23:36:55 <sarob> Next meet
23:37:00 <fifieldt> absolutely
23:37:13 <fifieldt> I expect we'll have a good update
23:37:16 <sarob> And thoughts on the how to workflow
23:37:28 <sarob> Coolo
23:37:32 <fifieldt> also within the next month will be a new getting started page on openstack.org
23:37:37 <fifieldt> it's already written, mostly
23:37:50 <fifieldt> which will not achieve everything that is needed
23:37:53 <sarob> Great
23:37:58 <fifieldt> but it'll be a helluva lot better than right now
23:38:08 <sarob> Well it's prob a good stopgap
23:38:17 <fifieldt> indeed
23:38:30 <sarob> I'd like
23:38:50 <sarob> To give ourselves a goal of partipation
23:39:06 <sarob> Like 100 commits a day or
23:39:40 <sarob> 10 user group events a week
23:40:11 <fifieldt> ambitious :)
23:40:12 <sarob> It would be a challenging way of rating our success
23:40:28 <fifieldt> indeed
23:40:44 <sarob> In not sure what would be good metrics
23:41:04 <sarob> I just want to kick ass
23:41:10 <fifieldt> roger that
23:41:28 * sarob sarob kicking ass
23:41:52 * fifieldt tempted to #action that
23:42:03 <fifieldt> cool, well, is that a good point to end this meeting?
23:42:12 <sarob> I think so
23:42:26 * sarob fell off soapbox
23:42:26 <fifieldt> #endmeeting openstack-community