16:01:41 #startmeeting openstack-chef 16:01:42 Meeting started Mon Aug 10 16:01:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is j^2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:01:44 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:01:46 The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' 16:01:52 hey everyone! 16:02:27 i’ll give everyone a few mins to join 16:03:07 o/ 16:03:18 sc`: while i have your ear... 16:03:40 can you make the…pedantic changes for that review so we can get the testing repo in? 16:04:00 i want to push this asap, so we can get stable stampped asap 16:04:16 yup. i'll work on that 16:04:37 hi o/ 16:05:10 awesome thanks sc` 16:05:23 we need to start working on liberty like…last week 16:05:52 howdy 16:06:32 so i’m gonna give this free form, a shot so lets start the discussion 16:06:42 i do have one thing i’d like to mention 16:06:57 we’ve lost a lot of our drive lately, i’m seeing this becoming a problem 16:07:08 is it just because its summer? 16:07:16 or are people loosing interest in this project? 16:08:42 no idea 16:09:29 :( 16:09:36 i’d like some feedback 16:09:55 maybe everything is working too good to patch it ;) 16:10:14 jklare: :D that would be awesome, but i don’t think thats true 16:11:07 sc`, markvan any thoughts? 16:11:08 for me it's 2 things, a lull between releases and other approaches being considered 16:11:32 markvan: yep, i hear that through back channels too 16:11:47 i think for most people its just easier to fork the upstream project and not have to deal with all these gerrit/testing/codereview stuff 16:12:43 for myself, i have to context switch between icehouse and this project 16:12:52 sc`: that makes sense 16:12:52 and something maybe not directly related, but it is becoming more and more complex to understand and patch trough all of the cookbooks 16:13:32 jklare: yep, that’s gotten to the point where its only like 1/2 of the people of the subset of the group that even thinks about this stuff can patch intelegently. 16:14:08 i am currently trying to get a full kilo cluster with to work with our forks of the cookbooks and even tough i have read a lot of code from the cookbooks it still takes me a lot of time to figure out where to patch stuff 16:14:36 so where does this leave us? 16:14:36 one thing that i've noticed is that it isn't nearly as straightforward as it used to be to use the cookbooks with existing chef infrastructure 16:15:12 so maybe a big goal for the next cycle could be to simplify all of the cookbooks 16:15:24 i’m working on something i’m calling the “model-t” build of openstack; it’s the chef build of the install guide 16:15:42 its not taking anything from the community, and is opinionated 16:15:51 and maybe not support all possible options, but allow users to wrap these cookbooks more easily 16:16:07 jklare: i’d love that, but i’m worried no one is going to around for that 16:16:25 ? 16:16:44 you think nobody want to do that? 16:17:18 i mean its basically just a decision on how to continue the whole development process 16:17:24 i think people would love to do that, but it’s a TON of work 16:17:31 of course it is 16:17:49 and moving a lot of code to oslo also was a lot of work 16:18:12 yep 16:18:20 but it will not get easier by just not doing this work 16:18:25 true 16:19:08 question is if the majority of our active contributors want to commit to that or not 16:19:45 yep 16:21:21 btw. i am not sure if that is even the reason why we do not have more contributors 16:21:30 we need to have an alternative to build openstack from nothing using the cookbooks. chef-provisioning is awesome and all, but it doesn't lend itself to portability 16:22:31 ok, so yeah that’s what my model t is 16:22:38 let me push it up one sec 16:23:58 https://github.com/chef-partners/openstack-model-t 16:24:07 it’s still a WIP 16:25:19 maybe that is a good topic to talk about in a additional call/hangout something ? 16:25:35 sure? 16:25:45 because i do not think that we can come to a good end of this discussion in this meeting 16:25:50 agreed 16:25:52 +1 16:25:54 but it’s something to think about 16:25:57 more discussion is needed 16:26:06 markvan? 16:26:15 i wanted to sow the seed, i’m just worried about the future that’s all 16:26:35 we went to so much work getting part of the foundation/big tent, then we seemed to just drop it 16:27:37 some of that is the perception that we're still not a big tent project 16:27:49 yeah, some type of simplification of the cookbooks would be interesting step, but I don't like to dummy something down without a good reason 16:28:38 sc`: getting ahead on liberty would be good to help with that 16:28:50 yup 16:29:23 do we want to go through the agenda today? 16:29:27 markvan: the good reason is that even with the openstack-chef-repo it’s still crazy complex, and it scares adoption. I’m in the process of helping writing a doc on how to create an AIO build on metal though so you can move from the vagrant setup to something with a physical hardware 16:30:15 jklare: not really to be honest, i’m betting there is little to no progress with anything. Granted i do ack your commited to the 6am build in infra :D 16:30:33 i’m feeling pretty beat up about our project 16:31:19 so, i think the specs.openstack.org thing is mainly done (at least for the simple part of using it) 16:31:45 the cross repo testing is also working as far as i could see from markvans patches? 16:31:54 yeah, spending more time on the repo doc and steps would be a good thing, and would lead to better specs/blueprints to improve the cookbooks. 16:32:17 yup, cross repo seems to be working well. 16:32:34 but I did not see the periodic spin get run yet 16:32:34 so i think we are making good progress overall 16:32:48 me neither 16:32:56 but i wanted to ask infra what has happened there 16:33:18 yeah, don't know where to look for issues on that 16:33:24 :D 16:33:32 i will ping some guys on infra 16:33:52 thx, would be good to see that get in place 16:34:04 cool anything else? 16:34:33 only a couple patches that we might want in kilo....set branch date ? 16:35:08 markvan: nope, not until that centos7 patch is in 16:35:57 i refuse to make that happen till we can repeatably build both ubuntu and centos 16:36:06 yup, agreed 16:36:24 sc`: promised me he’d make it happen today ;) 16:36:29 rrriiight? 16:36:48 the feedback is being addressed 16:37:04 just need to sit down for a few and finish the spec stuff 16:39:00 :D 16:39:56 any body know if that db slave connection patch needs to get in, I think the base one is ready https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199917/, but the use one has a typo https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203583/ 16:40:53 cool 16:41:36 we need the other patch fixed by the community member first 16:42:01 and j^2 I think the neutron repo one is also ready, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196858/ it's a step in the right direction 16:42:21 it’s still -1 :( 16:43:10 yeah, I was going to take a look at that again to see if I can reproduce that timing issue, but I think that is unrelated to this specific patch, it's just a bug in the network cookbook somewhere 16:43:23 makes sense 16:43:35 anything else? 16:43:54 that’s to everyone ^^ 16:45:12 nope 16:45:32 no 16:45:43 cool 16:45:52 i’ll give yall your 15 mins back then 16:46:18 #endmeeting