14:04:05 <bauzas> #startmeeting nova_scheduler
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14:04:15 <bauzas> mornooning
14:04:25 <cdent> moooooo
14:04:40 <Yingxin> evening
14:04:41 <bauzas> so, while we wait US folks because those are forgetting the daylight shift...
14:05:33 <bauzas> anyway, we can start and people can read logs
14:06:08 <bauzas> #topic features (those we like but don't approve yet)
14:06:50 <bauzas> #info Nova still on FeatureFreeze with RC1 planned this week
14:06:57 <bauzas> johnthetubaguy: correct ^ ?
14:07:09 <bauzas> I mean for the RC1 stuff
14:07:10 <johnthetubaguy> +1
14:07:19 <bauzas> I have a doubt, lemme check
14:07:53 <bauzas> yeah, http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html
14:07:56 <bauzas> RC1 this week
14:08:06 <bauzas> so that means we should open newton soon ?
14:08:18 <bauzas> after RC1 is cut
14:09:01 <bauzas> I take that as a yes :D
14:09:29 <cdent> silence means approval :)
14:09:49 <bauzas> so, folks, nothing to raise for feature-related changes, just a general comment : prepare your patch series, those should be reviewable soon :)
14:10:21 <bauzas> moving on ?
14:11:03 <not_bauzas> bauzas: yeah please continue
14:11:15 <bauzas> not_bauzas : okay, fair enough
14:11:21 <Yingxin> does it mean I should resubmit the spec to open https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262938/ again?
14:12:01 * cdent appreciates bauzas' effort
14:12:16 <bauzas> Yingxin: indeed, all approved specs require another approval for Newton but that should be a fast-approve
14:12:27 <bauzas> Yingxin: ie. only one core +2/+W
14:12:45 <bauzas> Yingxin: one *nova-specs* core tbp
14:13:03 <Yingxin> bauzas: get it
14:13:22 <bauzas> Yingxin: that will be the top prio for the pre-summit period, reviewing all pending specs to approve
14:13:39 <bauzas> Yingxin: and ideally, merge things which were close to be, but missed the deadline
14:14:24 <bauzas> Yingxin: just keep in mind that cores are still chasing regression bugs for the RC period until we deliver Mitaka
14:14:37 <bauzas> so we'll not be full steam ahead
14:15:00 <bauzas> anyway, moving on
14:15:20 <bauzas> #topic bugs (those we don't like but we need to fix soon)
14:15:34 <cdent> so,
14:15:56 <cdent> I was reviewing bugs at the end of last week, tagged scheduler and found many of them were not actionable
14:16:01 <cdent> either because they are too old
14:16:13 <cdent> or because the debate associated with the issue has tailed off into nothing
14:16:23 <cdent> I'd much prefer to see bugs like that die in a fire than cloud up the radar
14:16:30 <bauzas> +++++
14:16:58 <bauzas> cdent: just leave a very gentle comment asking those to be reproduced against master, and put them Incomplete
14:17:26 <Yingxin> there are another two bug fixes in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking
14:17:30 * cdent will endeavor to do so
14:18:13 <bauzas> Yingxin: scheduler-related ?
14:18:16 <Yingxin> but I thought they are not so urgent to be merged in Mitaka
14:18:21 <Yingxin> bauzas: yes
14:18:23 <bauzas> Yingxin: I don't see those
14:18:34 <bauzas> oh, in the sched section
14:18:41 <Yingxin> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290302/
14:18:51 <Yingxin> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292362/
14:18:55 <bauzas> Yingxin: so that's a good point
14:19:05 <bauzas> Yingxin: I suspect those aren't regressions, right?
14:19:15 <Yingxin> bauzas: yes
14:19:37 <bauzas> Yingxin: so in general we prefer to leave the mitaka-rc-potential tag for regression bugs
14:20:06 <bauzas> Yingxin: that doesn't mean we can't land those bugfixes, just that they won't have the same priority as for regression bugs
14:20:15 <bauzas> Yingxin: but I can certainly take a look on both :)
14:20:30 <Yingxin> bauzas: thanks :)
14:21:06 <bauzas> Yingxin: TBC, once we cut RC1, those bugfixes won't be in Mitaka
14:21:17 <bauzas> if we merge those after the RC1 tag
14:21:27 <bauzas> because we branch Mitaka right after RC1
14:22:09 <bauzas> Yingxin: so, if you'd like to get them for Mitaka and those are Newton, you'll have to tag the bug report as mitaka-stable-potential (once RC1 is cut this week)
14:22:14 <bauzas> Yingxin: gotcha ?
14:22:38 <Yingxin> bauzas: yup, need to read carefully
14:23:26 <bauzas> Yingxin: it's just a matter of knowing what to land and when :)
14:23:34 <bauzas> but we can discuss that later offline
14:23:46 <Yingxin> so they are  mitaka-stable-potential if they are not so urgent to fix in mitaka?
14:23:58 <bauzas> Yingxin: only if you consider them valuable for mitaka
14:24:07 <bauzas> Yingxin: per the stable policy
14:24:36 <bauzas> Yingxin: I'm just trying to explain that those 2 bugfixes can be merged before or after RC1 this week
14:24:50 <Yingxin> bauzas: ok
14:25:04 <bauzas> Yingxin: but depending whether it will be before or after the RC1 tag, they will respectively be either in Mitaka or in Newton, gotcha ?
14:25:25 <Yingxin> bauzas: gotcha
14:25:35 <bauzas> ok, moving on, unless someone shouts no
14:25:37 <bauzas> now
14:27:37 <bauzas> #topic open discussion
14:27:46 <bauzas> folks, the mic is yours
14:28:12 <cdent> I already made my moan, I've got nothing else.
14:29:07 <bauzas> nothing really I have in mind this time
14:29:24 <Yingxin> nothing else, too
14:29:37 <bauzas> honestly, I don't see necessary to discuss about Summit talks
14:29:50 <bauzas> or rather design sessions
14:30:26 <bauzas> johnthetubaguy: I know you're leaving off your ring, but do you plan to open an etherpad for newton design session proposals ?
14:30:30 <johnthetubaguy> hey, so can I help answer questions for you cdent?
14:30:36 <johnthetubaguy> I just did that actually
14:30:43 <johnthetubaguy> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-summit-ideas
14:30:43 <bauzas> awesomeness
14:30:47 <johnthetubaguy> about to send an ML note
14:30:51 <bauzas> heh
14:30:52 <johnthetubaguy> meant to do it last week, oops
14:31:00 * bauzas is bluetooth-paired on johnthetubaguy
14:31:25 <bauzas> lemme annonce that unofficially :)
14:31:30 <cdent> johnthetubaguy: questions about the bugs I was moaning about? It's more of a cultural complaint than specific issues with specific bugs (although that too)
14:31:51 <bauzas> #info Austin design session proposals can be shared in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-summit-ideas more to come in a ML thread
14:31:51 <johnthetubaguy> cdent: so you can kill all those that don't seem actionable, as I understand it
14:32:29 <johnthetubaguy> cdent: our historic issue is lack of attention, markus_z is starting to get progress there again
14:32:45 <cdent> roger that
14:32:57 <cdent> (american roger that, not british)
14:33:00 <bauzas> TBH, we are not the most aggresive project for abandoning bugs, so we can certainly be a little bit more concerned
14:33:14 <johnthetubaguy> cdent: I think part of the issue is not everyone agreeing how to kill them
14:33:27 <johnthetubaguy> cdent: ack!
14:33:31 <cdent> From what I can tell I don't have all the options available to me.
14:33:52 <johnthetubaguy> cdent: have you joined the bug triage group, and read the triage guide?
14:34:15 <cdent> I've read the triage guide, but I'm not aware of joining a group.
14:34:28 * cdent can't keep track of his own actions
14:34:41 <johnthetubaguy> cdent: see line three: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage
14:35:19 <johnthetubaguy> cdent: honestly, we might want to get rid of that group, it just seems to be causing problems
14:35:20 <cdent> thanks, done
14:36:05 <cdent> permissive forgiveness rather than membership does seem to be the zeitgeist these days
14:36:34 <johnthetubaguy> cdent: for some reason, we are doing both
14:36:41 * bauzas googles
14:37:03 <johnthetubaguy> i.e. permissive membership (makes up new term)
14:37:31 <cdent> how very british, it's kind of like how you buy a membership to a health club but still need to pay every time you go
14:37:41 * cdent boggles
14:37:54 * bauzas thanks Wikipedia
14:38:48 <bauzas> anyway, that does sound a tool problem with launchpad
14:39:05 * bauzas likes opening scars and putting salt on those
14:40:08 <cdent> I think we're done, yeah?
14:40:12 <bauzas> I hope so
14:40:38 <bauzas> 20 mins for getting a membership for health club
14:40:54 <bauzas> ++ folks
14:41:00 <bauzas> #endmeeting