14:00:30 #startmeeting networking 14:00:30 Meeting started Tue Sep 22 14:00:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:31 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:00:33 hi 14:00:34 The meeting name has been set to 'networking' 14:00:34 hi 14:00:37 o/ 14:00:43 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda 14:00:46 mestery: A new one is coming.. ;-) 14:00:47 hi 14:00:47 Morning 14:00:49 o/ 14:00:59 * mestery waits a minute to let the stragglers wander in 14:01:01 hi 14:01:02 mestery: time to vote for another tyrant 14:01:06 hi 14:01:15 ihrachys: But can anyone be as tyrranical as I was? ;) 14:01:22 hi 14:01:23 I feel like a dinosaur or something :) 14:01:29 hi 14:01:34 mestery: definitely! new ones are always worse then previous ones! 14:01:38 lol 14:01:47 #topic Announcements 14:01:58 o/ :( 14:02:02 :) 14:02:02 #info We're going to cut liberty-rc1 tomorrow (likely) 14:02:08 yay 14:02:11 mesteriasauras? 14:02:12 * ihrachys dances rumba 14:02:14 #info We're tracking the final bugs (4 at last count), more later in the meeting 14:02:21 last minutes commits.... now!! 14:02:30 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty#OpenStack_Liberty_Release_Notes Liberty Release Notes 14:02:42 #info Please focus on making our release notes the best release notes out there! Thanks to those who have already jumped in there! 14:02:59 #info Please vote in the Neutron PTL election! 14:03:01 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Elections_September_2015 14:03:14 We have 3 great candidates, I for one am exçited to see who our new overlord will be later this week! :) 14:03:32 And a last announcement ... 14:03:43 #info THE PECAN WSGI BRANCH HAS BEEN FOLDED INTO MASTER! MOAR PECAN! 14:03:45 I had to go all caps 14:03:50 Yay 14:03:52 Because it's finally in! :) 14:03:57 * regXboi is in shock 14:03:58 nice! 14:03:59 \o/ 14:04:07 I'm shocked, SHOCKED to see all caps :) 14:04:10 * russellb offers pecan pie in celebration 14:04:11 #info Thanks to kevinbenton salv-orlando blogan and a cast of thousands :) 14:04:14 :-) 14:04:15 russellb: lol 14:04:28 Now to make it stable in Mitaka! :) 14:04:32 Any other announcements for the team? 14:04:50 me as an example of an ignorant packager could use some docs help on how we expect to run them, whether they need to conflict with current neutron-server service etc. do we have such docs? 14:05:02 Let me know when you want to talk about the survey 14:05:04 those new servers I mean 14:05:15 ihrachys: no, not yet. 14:05:23 ihrachys: We do not yet 14:05:40 kevinbenton: We need a release note indicating it's experitmental 14:05:43 etc. 14:05:50 kevinbenton: pecan version is ready to create a network? 14:06:00 ihrachys: they don't work quite right with service plugins that have their own extension controllers 14:06:11 gongysh: Yeah, should work for that 14:06:21 kevinbenton: that's fine, ignorant packagers just want to package it and maybe set deps between services 14:06:23 kevinbenton: congrat. 14:06:31 ihrachys and kevinbenton we could add a chapter into the networking guide indicating that its experimental 14:06:54 Well, given it doesn't fully work yet, maybe we don't want to go that far in documenting it. What thinks you kevinbenton? 14:07:21 mestery: the sooner the better.. it will help to get more people testing it 14:07:22 Anyways, lets keep the agenda moving. 14:07:24 where to find the doc, even devref to set it up? 14:07:27 emagana: True dat :) 14:07:55 Since Piet has joined us ... 14:07:59 Maybe add +q-pecan to devstack. 14:08:02 #topic OpenStack UX team survey update 14:08:10 Piet: Floor is yours for an update! 14:08:21 The OpenStack UX project has created a survey to understand some of the challenges associated with moving from Nova Network to Neutron. 14:08:33 It was based on a series of interviews conducted by a User Researcher with HP 14:08:42 Please, please, please complete the survey and distribute to anyone with experience with Networks in OpenStack. 14:09:00 https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/osnetworking 14:09:01 Piet: Did you send a mail to the ML yet? 14:09:04 Ah, even better 14:09:08 #link https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/osnetworking 14:09:14 #info Please spread the survey far and wide 14:09:21 We're trying to get the sample to about 100 respondents 14:09:23 Thanks Piet! Any questions from anyone for Piet and team? 14:10:06 Thank you Piet and team for working on this. Looking forward to the results. :) 14:10:09 OK, lets move along. 14:10:10 Feel free to reach-out to me on IRC if you have any questions 14:10:15 Thanks Piet! 14:10:20 I can also email you the formal invitiation 14:10:29 #topic liberty-rc1 14:10:36 #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/liberty-rc1 14:10:47 The last BP, which I expect to defer, is this one: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/lbaas-ref-octavia 14:10:52 dougwig: What says the LBaaS team on this? 14:10:59 Defered to Mitaka? 14:11:05 dougwig rudely stopped us with a -2 14:11:10 lol 14:11:14 xgerman: Well, if he hadn't, I was gonna :) 14:11:16 ;) 14:11:24 tyrant :-) 14:11:33 rofl 14:11:36 the code is ready, the gate jobs are running into issues because it's VMs inside VMs. johnsom has a patch up that might resolve tha. 14:11:36 that 14:11:41 we'll make the final call today, with you. 14:11:41 gonna run mestery out on a rail 14:11:46 dougwig: Ack, sounds good 14:11:51 I think the patches we merged yesterday will have resolved the gate issues. 14:11:57 +1 14:12:00 #info We'll make the final call on Octavia later today, 9-22 14:12:09 johnsom: Lets make sure to stay in sync on IRC today 14:12:13 And see what we come up with by end of day 14:12:25 Sounds good 14:12:30 Excellent! 14:12:35 Now, on to the final four bugs on the dashboard 14:12:36 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1453350 14:12:38 Launchpad bug 1453350 in neutron "race between neutron port create and nova" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) 14:12:59 kevinbenton: What's happening with this one? How is it coming along? And even better, do you see this as an RC blocker? 14:13:25 I will have the latest patch up for that today and we can determine if it's too risky for release 14:13:31 kevinbenton: Ack 14:13:41 #info for 1453350, we'll make a call later in the day. 14:14:01 Next up 14:14:10 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1497450 14:14:11 Launchpad bug 1497450 in neutron "DNS lookup code in get_ports needs to be optimized" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) 14:14:19 mlavalle: Same thing here? 14:14:24 Looks like we're expecting a patch later today 14:14:32 mestery: we will have a patchset today 14:14:47 I think it is looking good 14:15:06 mlavalle: Thanks! regXboi make sure you review that patch when mlavalle posts it. 14:15:08 mlavalle: can you ping me with the review when it's ready? 14:15:17 kevinbenton: thanks for your review as well :) 14:15:18 Next up 14:15:20 kevinbenton: will do 14:15:21 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1488996 14:15:22 Launchpad bug 1488996 in neutron "QoS doesn't work when a mechanism driver which doesn't implement bind_port explicitly supports it" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Miguel Angel Ajo (mangelajo) 14:15:23 mestery: ack - probably run it through the test scenario for an hour 14:15:26 that one is in gate 14:15:31 ihrachys ajo: This one looks good? 14:15:33 nice! 14:15:36 * mestery ^5s ihrachys 14:15:42 Easy peasy ihrachys, just how I like it ;) 14:15:51 And the last one 14:15:52 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1495628 14:15:53 mestery, it does, it's ihrachy's work, I just pushed a last patch 14:15:54 Launchpad bug 1495628 in neutron "In DHCP agent's enable_dhcp_helper, its good to call safe_configure_dhcp_for_network" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Sudhakar Gariganti (sudhakar-gariganti) 14:15:59 thanks mestery :) 14:16:00 ajo: Ack sir 14:16:07 This one went from a 1 line patch to something much more 14:17:11 Anyways, we'll make the call on this one later today, doesn't seem to be a release blocker however 14:17:32 OK, does anyone want to make a plea for anything else in Liberty at this point? 14:17:34 :) 14:18:05 love and liberty ;D 14:18:11 ajo: Love and Liberty indeed :) 14:18:13 how about egalite? fraternite? 14:18:22 :) 14:18:28 (sorry, can't find the proper glyphs on this keyboard) 14:18:30 #topic Mitaka Design Summit 14:18:30 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-mitaka-designsummit 14:18:32 mestery: Don't think endpoint groups will be reviewed in time, 14:18:39 pc_m: Ack :( 14:18:48 So, we have a lot of items proposed on the etherpad which is great! 14:19:01 Our next PTL will be responsible for planning this thing out, but I encourage folks to keep submitting ideas 14:19:05 KEep in mind we only have 12 slots 14:19:17 So I expect the next PTL to focus on community items that really need face to face discussion 14:19:41 I suggested a cross neutron/nova one, but not sure if we have slots for cross-project stuff 14:19:43 That's about all I have for Mitaka 14:19:50 * regXboi feels mestery weilding clue brick :) 14:19:55 ajo: There is a cross-project track, but we could use one of our slots. 14:19:57 er wielding 14:19:59 ajo: Anything specific for there? 14:20:09 ajo: I would think perhaps a "brick" like library for nova to use for neutron interactions? 14:20:10 mestery: the neutron/nova QoS integration 14:20:13 That was discussed in Vancouver 14:20:17 ajo: Ah, that too :) 14:20:20 we have scheduling bits to be accounted from the nova side 14:20:39 ajo: haven't we discussed it on one of the qos meetings with nova folks? 14:20:45 (more than accounted, taken care of..) we already are discussing in meetings, but slow progress 14:20:47 ah scheduler. ok. 14:21:03 ihrachys: yes, but still no resolution on that part, it seemed to need a broader discussion 14:21:29 I would suggest not to wait for summit though and start on ML 14:21:34 OK, so this seems like a good candidate ajo and ihrachys :) 14:22:02 #topic Open Discussion 14:22:05 Shortest. Meeting. Ever. 14:22:08 I just jinxed myself :) 14:22:24 mestery: yes you did - I can hear murphy laughing all the way to the time clock 14:22:24 mestery: (about the brick) yes we talked about a nova pluggable thing on the scheduler we could provide from neutron, but it seems that's far, and may be needing a short term solution until that's ready 14:22:51 regXboi :) 14:23:06 ajo: Ack sir, makes sense 14:23:31 anything that touches nova-scheduler enters a warp in space time, where percieved time is slower than real time 14:23:46 sc68cal lol 14:23:49 gantt? 14:23:53 rofl 14:23:54 ^ this 14:24:10 * sc68cal got a huge physics refresher from regXboi at the QA sprint. his mind is blown still 14:24:15 :) 14:24:16 they have low gravity 14:24:32 mestery: ajo and myself are working on the QoS chapter. Thanks to ihrachys for the reviews but more eyes on it will not hurt! 14:24:33 sc68cal: that was only a few years of physics ... 14:24:41 emagana: Excellent! 14:24:49 emagana: link! 14:24:57 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221990/ 14:25:00 no links == no eyes 14:25:09 :D 14:25:17 :) 14:25:26 ihrachys: how many eyes per times the link is posted :-) 14:25:28 cool 14:25:30 rofl 14:25:51 OK, well, next week we'll have a new PTL running this meeting. Exciting! 14:25:55 * ihrachys smiles 14:25:59 Goos luck to the candidates!!! 14:26:01 mestery: I added Horizon topic to bottom of On Demand Agenda late yesterday 14:26:08 good luck!! :) 14:26:11 Goos = Good 14:26:11 * regXboi mutters *almost got it that time* 14:26:14 jckasper: Well, that ruins my huge exit, but pleae go ahead :) 14:26:26 LOL 14:26:29 :D 14:26:31 doh 14:26:43 Horizon updated the network topology diagram last week 14:26:51 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/curvature-network-topology 14:26:59 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/curvature-network-topology 14:27:30 New diagram quite a bit diff than old design. some items lacking (in my opinion) 14:27:45 jckasper: You're looking for review, rights? 14:28:06 mestery: wanting to see if anyone else has concerns over new design 14:28:07 curvature things sounds familiar to me 14:28:20 * mestery looks 14:28:24 emagana: +1 14:28:31 got a screenshot handy? 14:28:36 It was demo'd in a summit about 2 years ago. It's actually been merged into Horizon at this point, but would be great to hear feedback. 14:28:53 screenshot: http://imgur.com/a/qddWB 14:29:16 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFTmHHCn2-g&feature=youtu.be 14:29:20 jckasper: So, we're moving to the curvature version instead of the normal one? 14:29:27 screenshot looks nice! 14:29:31 mestery: already moved 14:29:36 it is a replacement of the legacy one 14:29:42 jckasper: Yikes, so your concerns are somewhat valid. 14:29:51 neiljerram +1 14:30:07 OK, well, it will be interesting! 14:30:19 So what specificatlly is lacking? 14:30:21 Curvature itself is pretty cool from what I remember back in Portland, glad to see it got merged into Horizon! 14:30:28 mestery: new layout does not show IP address or CIDRs unless you drill down 14:30:36 mestery: +1 14:30:39 * regXboi will likely have comments later today - especially after testing the DNS patch :) 14:31:03 since I'll be spinning 100 tenants in a cloud for that DNS patch, I'll see what I think of the net topo under scale :) 14:31:14 Drop into #openstack-horizon if oyu have any concerns and we'll try to address them. 14:31:17 you* 14:31:18 jckasper: if that's the only thing, sounds acceptable to me. 14:31:33 flyover pop-ups seem to be missing from old layout. but that is minor 14:31:35 jckasper: is this enabled by default in horizon? 14:31:36 I'd like to see regXboi's scale testing as well 14:31:43 jckasper does it show load balancers? 14:31:48 yes. it is enabled by default. 14:31:50 mestery: I'll try and do a screen shot when I'm done 14:32:21 xgerman: not sure how they are represented 14:32:46 xgerman: would be a good thing to try out. 14:33:04 yep - along with Firewall 14:33:07 regXboi: I'm also wondering how DVR will be displayed too 14:33:15 And VPN xgerman :) 14:33:34 jckasper: that's not something I'm looking at with respect to the DNS patch, so I won't be able to say today 14:33:39 johnsom: even you use DVR, it is one logical router 14:33:52 jckasper: ^^ 14:33:53 were these things (load balancer, vpn, firewall) represented in the previous network topology UI? 14:34:10 Horizon core invasion :p 14:34:11 I am always hoping for new features 14:34:15 lol 14:34:23 I don't think they were, but wanted to double check 14:34:30 doug-fish:they were not 14:34:32 doug-fish: no they were not. 14:34:42 amotoki: but DVR typically can have multiple router interfaces. not sure how that is represented 14:34:43 ok cool 14:35:30 jckasper: i got you point. need to check the detail, but IIRC there is no difference from legacy ones. 14:36:47 OK, thanks horizon folks for bringing this to our attention! 14:36:53 And with that, lets shut this thing down. :) 14:36:59 Keep focused on those remaining RC bugs 14:37:00 * dougwig waves 14:37:02 And if new ones are found 14:37:05 Please let me know ASAP 14:37:09 I'll be on the hunt as well :) 14:37:13 Adieu! 14:37:15 #endmeeting