14:01:27 #startmeeting networking 14:01:28 Meeting started Tue Oct 7 14:01:27 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:29 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:01:31 The meeting name has been set to 'networking' 14:01:37 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda 14:01:44 #topic Announcements 14:01:55 We released the RC1 for Neutron 14:01:58 #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-rc1 14:02:02 #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/juno/juno-rc1/+download/neutron-2014.2.rc1.tar.gz 14:02:12 Please give this a go and report issues in launchpad as you find bugs. 14:02:28 * regXboi quotes "...and there was much rejoicing... (yay!)" 14:02:30 If you find what you consider to be release blocking bugs, please tag them as "juno-rc-potential" 14:02:32 hi :) 14:02:50 We'll discuss the current list of RC potential bugs in the bugs section. 14:03:18 * ihrachyshka added one to the list 14:03:20 #info Please tag release blocking bugs with "juno-rc-potential" 14:03:30 Open Question: Is Multinode being tested by someone? If yes, please ping me! 14:03:32 ihrachyshkaThanks! 14:03:41 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Juno#OpenStack_Network_Service_.28Neutron.29 Release Notes 14:03:47 We're also updating the release notes as a team now. 14:03:57 So please feel free to edit that page, I've given it a good start already. 14:04:06 Any other announcements for the team? 14:05:02 #topic Bugs 14:05:04 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=juno-rc-potential 14:05:13 Those are the only bugs tagged as release critical right now. 14:05:19 So lets take a walk through them now. 14:05:35 First, this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1367892 14:05:38 Launchpad bug 1367892 in neutron "delete port fails with RouterNotHostedByL3Agent exception" [Medium,Fix committed] 14:05:46 fix-committed? 14:06:01 armax: Does this one need backporting to the release branch? Thoughts? 14:06:07 ihrachyshka: I think this went into master. 14:06:28 mestery: I tagged it as juno-rc-potential on the LP bug report 14:06:29 carl_baldwin: ^^^ 14:06:37 * carl_baldwin looking 14:06:44 armax carl_baldwin: Is this a DVR bug which we should backport into the stable branch? 14:06:49 It is unclear if this was merged before the cut. 14:06:56 If not, it should be ported. 14:07:05 carl_baldwin: Ack, I'll figure this out. 14:07:16 mestery: I’ll go figure it out. Don’t worry. 14:07:17 #action mestery to ensure https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1367892 is a part of the Juno release 14:07:18 Launchpad bug 1367892 in neutron "delete port fails with RouterNotHostedByL3Agent exception" [Medium,Fix committed] 14:07:20 mestery: you mean proposed/juno? 14:07:21 carl_baldwin: Thanks! 14:07:24 armax: Yes. 14:07:39 mestery: bug 1367892 is not part of RC! 14:07:39 Next one is this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1372438 14:07:39 Launchpad bug 1367892 in neutron "delete port fails with RouterNotHostedByL3Agent exception" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1367892 14:07:41 Launchpad bug 1372438 in neutron "Race condition in l2pop drops tunnels" [Medium,In progress] 14:07:42 *RC1 14:08:01 armax carl_baldwin: OK, then we'll need to add it to the proposed branch. I'll work with carl_baldwin on that. 14:08:14 ihrachyshka: Looks like this next one was added by you. 14:08:29 for 1372438, I've marked it for Juno. it's a race in l2pop that may result in tunnels dropped and no connection for instances hosted on the node. the fix is in review, looks fine 14:08:43 there are still two gate offending bugs which might need a fix in neutron - I think we can try and make an effort by marking them as rc-potential. At least to root cause them - perhaps then they’re not even neutron bugs 14:09:00 salv-orlando: ++ 14:09:10 similar fix was already merged before in master, but then reverted by dvr. the new one basically returns the previously reviewed code 14:09:13 salv-orlando: ++ 14:09:17 http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1357055 and http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1370496 14:09:41 ihrachyshka: I think the L2pop bug looks doable for an RC2, seems simple enough. 14:09:43 there is also http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1323658 which seems more of a nova bug - and the nova team decided to move it out to kilo 14:10:28 salv-orlando: Ack. 14:10:37 salv-orlando: Can you add "juno-rc-potential" to those two gate blocking bugs for now? 14:11:13 sure 14:11:35 OK, the last one on the list is this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1349302 14:11:37 Launchpad bug 1349302 in neutron "Add verification of iproute2 capabilities used by SR-IOV agent" [Low,In progress] 14:11:47 This one hasn't merged in master yet. 14:12:05 That can't possibly be considered a release blocker 14:12:07 It seems like a large change, I'm unsure if this will make an RC2. 14:12:15 amuller: Agreed, and in fact I'll remove the tag. 14:12:25 afaik, it only affect SR-IOV. I think it fits backport-potential. 14:12:31 isn't sanity check enough? 14:12:37 ihrachyshka++ 14:12:40 yes 14:12:42 we do 14:12:45 I was about to say the same 14:12:46 what major ffeature is that bug blocking? 14:12:53 No major feature. 14:13:04 SR-IOV with mellanox cards? 14:13:10 I don't see irenab here. 14:13:17 I've removed the tag for now. 14:13:21 I am not sure at now. 14:13:21 I'm not sure why the new features we're added to ip lib 14:13:43 *we're not added to ipbli 14:13:50 * markmcclain can't type this early 14:13:55 markmcclain: Agreed, and get more coffee 14:13:57 :) 14:14:08 :-) 14:14:15 OK, I think we have a handful of bugs we're tracking for a likely RC2 now. 14:14:23 I'll confirm this with ttx in my 1:1 with him this morning. 14:14:40 If any other bugs pop up which anyone thinks are release blockers, please ping me on IRC and let me know. 14:14:52 We're getting close to the end of Juno so I need to stay on top of this now. :) 14:15:21 OK, moving on now. 14:15:34 #topic neutron-drivers team 14:15:43 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron-drivers 14:15:56 I've decided to create a neutron-drivers team, mapped similar to nova-drivers. 14:16:05 This team will be responsible for approving specs during Kilo. 14:16:21 The idea is to focus on spec approval and provide a consistent direction for neutron during kilo by a focused group of cores. 14:16:30 Please look at the wiki for more information. 14:17:05 This process has worked for nova, so we'll give it a try during kilo and see how it works for neutron as well. 14:17:08 Any questions? 14:17:28 Looks good to me. 14:17:38 ajo: Thanks! 14:17:42 Should probably write down what are the goals for Kilo in that page 14:17:43 :-) 14:17:54 So there's some transparency or guidelines as to why a spec would get -2'd 14:18:04 amuller: I sent an email to the ML about that: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/047954.html 14:18:12 amuller: Good feedback though. 14:18:28 mestery: only these members will +A specs and code? 14:18:36 emagana: This is for specs only. 14:18:45 emagana: neutron-specs repository. Code stays the same as it is now. 14:19:06 For neutron-specs, cores can +2/-2, neutron-drivers additionally have +A. 14:19:12 I feel like the community is asking each project to write a constitution… I can’t picture myself as a “founding father" 14:20:00 salv-orlando: I'll mail you a white wig 14:20:04 OK, I'll be sending an email about this to the list after the meeting. 14:20:15 We can continue discussion there or in-channel (or even during Open Discussion later in this meeting). 14:20:28 amuller: please do…we should make salv-orlando wear it in paris 14:20:38 amuller: only if it’s made of cashmere wool. 14:20:40 Pics or it didn't happen. 14:20:46 lol 14:20:47 lol 14:20:56 #action amuller will provide one said white wig to be worn by Salv during the Paris summit 14:21:05 amuller: rofl 14:21:07 lol 14:21:09 LOL 14:21:10 :-) 14:21:13 haha 14:21:20 OK, lets move along., 14:21:25 #topic Kilo Design Summit 14:21:39 Now that Juno is winding down, we need to start planning our Summit Sessions in earnest. 14:21:54 For the backstory: 14:21:55 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/045844.html 14:22:05 Our shared etherpad of ideas: 14:22:07 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-neutron-summit-topics 14:22:34 In parallel of tracking down the Juno RC2, I'm going to start organizing this list and I encourage folks to get their ideas on the etherpad this week. 14:23:12 As I think salv-orlando said a few weeks ago, we have enough work on there for 10 years or so, if we work harder, we can get enough to last for hte rest of our careers :) 14:23:29 We only get a limited number of slots, so I want the team to focus on shared community topics for those slots in Paris. 14:24:17 Also, in regards to what I think the focus area should be for Kilo, see my email to the list this morning: 14:24:18 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/047954.html 14:24:22 Any questions or comments here? 14:24:30 Cross-project topics will be more prioritized. 14:25:08 amotoki: Agreed! For instance, the refactoring of the nova/neutron interface needs to be there, along with migration from nova-network to neutron. 14:25:26 how many slots will we have? 14:25:31 about cross project topics & paying technical debt, I believe the osprofiler integration would help on helping us learn more about neutron itself, and how does it integrate with other projects. 14:25:43 obondarev:I believe we get 7, let me verify 14:25:59 ajo: does it require summit slot though? 14:26:05 nope, sorry 14:26:08 probably not 14:26:58 obondarev: We get 11 slots, and then on Friday we have pod time 14:27:00 #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/neutron#.VDP4H-d8GoA 14:27:10 mestery: thanks 14:27:22 I think I saw migration from nova-network to neutron as a potential topic in Nova's etherpad as well, perhaps we should coordinate with them on this 14:27:24 ajo ihrachyshka: Agreed, not sure it requires a summit slot, but maybe some time on Friday for F2F discussions. 14:27:34 obondarev: We need that in the cross-project track. 14:27:44 mestery: agree 14:27:45 #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/cross-project+workshops#.VDP4X-d8GoA 14:27:48 obondarev: ^^^ 14:27:57 obondarev: Those are on Tuesday. 14:28:07 mestery++ 14:28:23 So as you can see, we're constrained in relation to the amount of time we had in Atlanta. 14:28:32 But this will help us focus on use the F2F time wisely I think. 14:28:46 And focusing on cross-project time will also be very important. 14:29:04 whatis f2f 14:29:16 face 14:29:18 face to face 14:29:19 face to face 14:29:24 thanks 14:29:26 dougwig: jinx 14:29:27 lol 14:29:34 :) 14:29:48 ihrachyshka: when everyone sits in a room and yells their opinions while plugging their ears 14:29:57 kevinbenton: nice 14:30:05 that's why it's face-to-face, not ear-to-ear 14:30:16 kevinbenton: Very eloquent description of a design summit 14:30:25 lol ':) 14:30:40 OK, moving on. 14:30:51 I wanted to highlight the LBaaS feature branch and encourage cores to continue reviewing this. 14:30:57 * mestery waits for markmcclain to post a link 14:31:07 * mestery thinks dougwig has that link too 14:31:14 the first three reviews are ready for core attention: 14:31:15 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas_reviews 14:31:19 dougwigThanks! 14:31:23 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas_reviews 14:31:47 dougwig: I plan to spend time on these today myself, I'll find you on #openstack-lbaas with questions. 14:31:52 dougwig: thanks 14:31:53 ok 14:32:30 #topic Parity 14:32:37 markmcclain: Hi! Updates this week? 14:32:54 we'll be writing up the final report of Juno work and posting to the mailing list 14:33:11 the gate bugs that salv-orlando are really important to find the root cause 14:33:53 since they're regularly the top gate offenders that will be a blocker to enabling neutron as devstack default 14:34:18 markmcclain: not atm, some of them are disabled in tempest. though yes, it's not a long-term solution. 14:34:18 #info Need to close on gate bugs for neutron so we can enable neutron as the default in devstack 14:34:38 I mean at the end of the day probably they’re not even neutron bugs - but al least we should know that for sure 14:34:49 and file patches where appropriate 14:34:50 salv-orlando: ++ 14:34:56 salv-orlando: agreed 14:35:16 ihrachyshka: the fact they are disabled in tempest is frustrating for qa 14:35:27 markmcclain: I need to sync with mikal yet on the wording around marking nova-network as deprecated in Juno. 14:35:42 mestery: ack 14:35:44 I hope we can get approval for that in the Juno release notes, given the progress on the parity plan we made. 14:35:48 anteaya: it also makes me sleep bad 14:36:12 good, sounds like motivation for a fix, since you should be able to sleep well 14:36:26 hah 14:36:51 OK, thanks for the update markmcclain. 14:36:53 #topic Docs 14:36:55 emagana: Hi there! 14:37:18 mestery: Hi 14:37:32 Good progress on the Docs Side 14:37:41 We completed the ToC for the Networking Guide 14:37:46 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NetworkingGuide/TOC 14:37:49 emagana: Excellent! 14:38:04 emagana: what is TOC? 14:38:11 Table of Content 14:38:22 got it 14:38:34 This wiki will be use to track all the content in this guide 14:39:04 As we decided before, we will only reference the default options for Neutron (ML2 & OVS) 14:39:48 One or two members of the Docs team will help in moving the staff from the Networking Guide Wiki to Gerrit Commits 14:39:58 I will post links once we have them 14:40:06 emagana: Regarding DocImpact bugs, armax and I were discussing, how do we ensure those with that flag are covered inthe Juno documentation?. 14:40:11 Does the Doc team need help with any of those? 14:40:14 armax: ^^^ 14:40:37 yes, we need owners for the bug reports that were filed automatically against openstack-manuals 14:40:43 mestery: We need to review them, most of them where config changes that were included automatically 14:40:50 emagana: Ack 14:41:16 we need more clear criteria what changes require DocImpact flag. I don't think simple config change need DocImpact because the config guide is generated automatically. 14:41:18 mestery: Others will be included as the major refactor of the Networking section, such as L3 HA and DVR 14:41:46 amotoki: Yes, but adding DocImpact ensures that we track those changes 14:42:09 emagana: I’ll review the bug reports to see whether we’re missing something 14:42:10 emagana: agree. we can discuss on it in docs list. 14:42:13 emagana: Are you working with armax and carl_baldwin and amuller for that refactor? Those folks can really help there. 14:42:45 emagana: glad to help when you need me 14:42:49 I have been conecting carl_baldwin with some of the folks testing the DVR staff 14:42:56 emagana: Thank you! 14:43:03 will do the same for L3 HA 14:43:28 emagana: Perfect! amuller is your friend there :) 14:43:30 Those folks where able to get DVR and l3 HA working as far as I know 14:43:51 I know.. amuller Thanks! 14:43:52 emagana: Feel free to hit me up with any questions or anything you need 14:44:04 Lets all make sure to help out the docs team when emagana comes calling, this is very important to ensure people can use the great software we write. :) 14:44:28 mestery: I will mostly connecting people 14:44:28 ++ 14:44:32 Thanks for your work here emagana! 14:44:51 mestery: I will provide a more extensive report next Monday 14:44:57 emagana: Awesome! 14:44:59 mestery: This week will be vey active ;-) 14:45:05 emagana: I expect so, yes. 14:45:06 mestery: I am done! 14:45:10 emagana: Thank you! 14:45:17 #topic L3 14:45:18 carl_baldwin: Hi! 14:45:21 hi 14:45:29 I don’t need any meeting time. 14:45:33 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam 14:45:51 Anything for me? 14:45:56 carl_baldwin: OK, thanks! 14:46:13 ACtually, lets move to Open Discussion now. 14:46:16 #topic Open Discussion 14:46:43 hi, I just added this bug to juno-rc-potential : https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1361540 14:46:45 Launchpad bug 1361540 in neutron "no mechanism driver calls for gateway port removal" [Medium,In progress] 14:46:53 I just had my 1:1 with ttx now, I'm going to be looking at other commits which were made since RC1 was cut for potential backporting for our RC2. 14:46:56 I'll sync with ttx tomorrow on this. 14:47:15 matrohon: I just saw that one 14:48:10 OK, if there's nothing else, thanks for attending this week! 14:48:22 I may ping people on potential RC2 bugs, so stay on top of those and docs this week. 14:48:28 See you all in-channel and on the ML! 14:48:32 #endmeeting