17:00:37 <kzaitsev_mb> #startmeeting murano
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17:00:41 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'murano'
17:00:42 <Nikolay_St> hey
17:00:51 <kzaitsev_mb> #topic rollcall
17:01:06 <kzaitsev_mb> let's see who's up for some murano today )
17:01:12 <Nikolay_St> hey
17:02:05 <vakovalchuk_> o/
17:02:33 <StanLagun> o/
17:02:43 <lexplua> o/
17:05:05 <kzaitsev_mb> #topic Action Items Review
17:05:33 <kzaitsev_mb> I wanted to write a letter about glare jobs voting — done and would appreciate some input there
17:06:01 <kzaitsev_mb> basically since I envision another rework to v1
17:06:17 <kzaitsev_mb> I believe that we can keep it non-voting untill that
17:07:07 <Nikolay_St> kzaitsev_mb: I'm agree here
17:08:21 <kzaitsev_mb> 2) moving mistral/congress to plugins
17:08:26 <kzaitsev_mb> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/move-murano-integrations-to-plugins
17:08:30 <kzaitsev_mb> here's a link to bp
17:08:46 <kzaitsev_mb> we're most likely not going to do it in newton anyway, since ff is 2 weeks away
17:09:24 <kzaitsev_mb> guess that's all with the AIs
17:09:34 <kzaitsev_mb> no specific agenda for today, so
17:09:41 <kzaitsev_mb> #topic Open Discussion
17:10:31 <kzaitsev_mb> well, I'd like to remind you folks that N3 is 2 weeks away and N3 marks FF
17:10:50 <kzaitsev_mb> #link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html
17:11:54 <kzaitsev_mb> so we've got to concentrate on getting important things into newton release.
17:13:14 <Nikolay_St> ok
17:13:43 <Nikolay_St> Well, I've contacted zhu_rong as I promised at previous meeting
17:14:09 <Nikolay_St> He said that he know about 4 other people from China who are interested in community meetings
17:14:53 <kzaitsev_mb> Nikolay_St: maybe that would make our meetings more lively =)
17:15:20 <Nikolay_St> kzaitsev_mb: yeap. the problem is that it's too late for guys from China
17:16:07 <kzaitsev_mb> Nikolay_St: may I ask you to start an email thread to see which time is more suitable for the guys?
17:16:22 <Nikolay_St> kzaitsev_mb: ok, will do
17:16:29 <kzaitsev_mb> Initially I'm ok with having horizon-style alterating meetings
17:16:38 <Nikolay_St> their timezone is like UTC +8
17:17:38 <Nikolay_St> kzaitsev_mb: I'm okay with that style too
17:18:00 <Nikolay_St> kzaitsev_mb: I can help you with "morning" meetings in case it will be too early for you =D
17:18:07 <kzaitsev_mb> there is plenty of slots in the morning
17:18:11 <kzaitsev_mb> https://www.dropbox.com/s/a72aqn64jxdmukl/Capture%20d'écran%202016-08-23%2020.17.43.png?dl=0
17:18:30 <kzaitsev_mb> Nikolay_St: well, that's something I would like to avoid =) I mean — I would like to attend all of them )))
17:18:56 <kzaitsev_mb> the problem is that our US-based colleagues would not be able to attend though
17:21:09 <kzaitsev_mb> anyways — let's try to figure out possible times and see if we can balance them between everyone
17:21:28 <Nikolay_St> sure
17:23:54 <kzaitsev_mb> jallirs in #murano asked about the meeting, but I'm not sure if he's online anymore )
17:23:57 <kzaitsev_mb> ok
17:24:47 <kzaitsev_mb> unless there are more news to share/discuss — going to end the meeting in around half the time
17:30:55 <ding> Hi, I'm new here but have been working on a solution to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/migrate-to-glance-v2 using glance tasks.  Would now be the right time to discuss this?
17:31:24 <kzaitsev_mb> ding: yep, you made it right on time =)
17:31:41 <kzaitsev_mb> so, what's your solution to the glance-v2 thing?
17:32:19 <kzaitsev_mb> the biggest problems IMO is ux
17:32:35 <ding> Basically, it looks like the glance team decided to move copying images from external sources from --copy-from as part of image create into asyncronous tasks
17:32:43 <kzaitsev_mb> while we can fix it somehow in CLI — there is next to no way to do it for dashboard
17:34:32 <kzaitsev_mb> ding: so your ideas?
17:34:37 <ding> Is there not a way to use tasks from the dashboard, or is it some other issue?
17:34:52 <kzaitsev_mb> ding: you mean glance tasks API?
17:34:55 <ding> yes
17:35:20 <kzaitsev_mb> last time I talked to our glance experts — they said to not touch the tasks API and that they're deprecating it
17:35:48 <ding> oh, interesting.  All of the documentation seems to be saying that is the future of glance, haha
17:36:25 <ding> Have the experts mentioned what they plan to do instead?
17:37:26 <kzaitsev_mb> ding: well, nothing =)
17:37:50 <kzaitsev_mb> that's the main problem with glance v2
17:38:23 <kzaitsev_mb> nikhil: ping =) please correct me if I'm wrong, but we should not touch tasks API of glance v2, should we?
17:38:46 <nikhil> kzaitsev_mb: it's admin by default now
17:38:58 <nikhil> it's been deprecated that way
17:39:14 <nikhil> (in short, not to use it)
17:39:34 <kzaitsev_mb> nikhil: meaning that there would not be a way for us to use it programmatically, say from horizon unless the user logged in is admin
17:39:49 <kzaitsev_mb> nikhil: thanks a lot for clarification
17:39:56 <kzaitsev_mb> ding: here's your answer
17:39:58 <nikhil> kzaitsev_mb: correct, we don't want it to be end user facing
17:40:06 <ding> okay, didn't know that.  Thanks.
17:40:14 <nikhil> the import refactor is the way to go, when that's ready of course
17:42:04 <kzaitsev_mb> ding: so I think, that we can count that bp as deferred for now, until glance import refactor is done
17:42:36 <ding> Yeah, that sounds like the best approach.  Thank you.
17:43:53 <kzaitsev_mb> ding: if you're interested in getting involved in murano — I can share a couple of links with entry level tasks and bugs for you ;)
17:44:10 <ding> If you don't mind, I'd appreciate it :)
17:44:21 <kzaitsev_mb> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-entry-level-tasks here's one
17:44:51 <kzaitsev_mb> we also have this e-pad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-newton-priorities
17:44:58 <kzaitsev_mb> I've got to update it )
17:46:21 <ding> Thanks, I'll see if there is something on here that my corporate overlords want me to work on.
17:47:59 <kzaitsev_mb> ding: feel free to propose smth you want/need yourself. Also take note, that N3 is just 2 weeks away, so most likely we're going to push most of unfinished features to ocata
17:48:23 <kzaitsev_mb> however we're thinking of moving to a faster release schedule (i.e. release-with-intermediary)
17:49:02 <kzaitsev_mb> in ocata cycle, to make a lot of intermediary releases between major N,O,P, etc
17:51:29 <ding> How frequently would the intermediary releases be, and will the major releases still be on the same schedule?
17:54:55 <kzaitsev_mb> ding: like every 3 weeks at-most =) and yes major releases would still be on time with all the other OS components
17:55:40 <kzaitsev_mb> currently it's just one of the thoughts, that are brewing =)
17:59:17 <kzaitsev_mb> ding: I'm looking at ironic's model basically as role-model
17:59:23 <kzaitsev_mb> ok thanks folks for joining today
17:59:35 <kzaitsev_mb> see you in #murano if you have any more questions
17:59:38 <kzaitsev_mb> #endmeeting