17:00:01 #startmeeting murano 17:00:01 Meeting started Tue Jan 19 17:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Nikolay_St. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:02 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:00:04 The meeting name has been set to 'murano' 17:00:11 hi all 17:00:25 o/ 17:00:27 hello 17:00:35 o/ 17:00:38 o/ 17:00:59 Serg asked me to hold todays meeting 17:01:02 so 17:01:20 o/ 17:01:41 here is an agenda for today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda#Agenda 17:02:03 o/ 17:02:34 \o/ 17:03:01 #topic Action Items Review 17:03:04 o/ 17:03:18 so, we have 2 action items from previous meeting 17:03:31 #1. ativelkov * ativelkov to summarize the plugin usage questions in etherpad 17:03:47 ativelkov: please proceed :) 17:06:30 sorry, this one is still in progress 17:06:31 ativelkov: are you here? 17:06:37 ativelkov: ok 17:06:58 #action ativelkov to summarize the plugin usage questions in etherpad 17:07:15 the second one is: sergmelikyan describe versioning model for murano-apps 17:07:37 Serg is away. may be somebody else know something? StanLagun kzaitsev_mb ? 17:07:46 nope =) 17:08:02 this camo out of our discussion about release tags 17:08:20 this week is the last to change release tags for OS projects in M 17:08:33 kzaitsev_mb: ok, get it 17:08:37 so we're probably will only be able to do it during N 17:08:44 so there is no hurry anyway =)) 17:08:54 ok 17:09:54 well, I think to store this action somewhere, so I'll file it again until we decide something. 17:10:48 may be we should start discussion in ML? I think it's a good point otherwise we can forget about it 17:13:10 I don't know tbh =) 17:13:55 I am sorry, this is the first time i join the meeting, So i don't quite understand about versioning model for murano-apps, can someone give me some help? 17:14:10 we've discussed that a couple of times, but still I have problems comprehending how do we want to see our apps being developed and released ) 17:14:23 zhurong: that's the point ) 17:14:45 Nikolay_St: let's just add the AI for serg once again shall we? =) 17:14:58 kzaitsev_mb: ok, let's do it 17:15:51 #action sergmelikyan describe versioning model for murano-apps (from 12.01.16) 17:16:00 that's all for action items 17:16:03 this is better be called release model because we do have versionning for murano apps and it is something very different 17:16:55 StanLagun: good point 17:17:08 how can I cancel the action? 17:17:32 add a new action? 17:18:18 #action sergmelikyan describe versioning model for murano-apps 17:18:19 done 17:18:21 =) 17:18:58 Nikolay_St: this tutorial http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot has some usefull commands ;) 17:19:07 kzaitsev_mb: yeah 17:19:17 probably you can't decline action 17:19:27 let's move forward 17:19:34 kzaitsev_mb: Looks like Serg is not here now. We should notify him about action items, I think ;) 17:19:53 I think we had an item on our agenda added by madhuri_ 17:20:07 #topic Blueprint 17:20:08 freerunner: that's an item from prev meeting. but yep good point 17:20:18 #topic Magnum/Murano Rationalization(madhuri) 17:20:18 Hi all 17:20:28 madhuri_: can you comment? =) 17:20:35 Yes sure 17:20:51 This bp is to do magnum/murano rationalization 17:21:05 Magnum and Murano both deploys kubernetes cluster 17:21:20 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/magnum-murano-rationalization 17:21:24 So Intel, Rackspace and Mirantis had meeting about it in Tokyo 17:21:34 And there we came up with this idea 17:21:51 So I am working on it to write Magnum plugin for Murano 17:22:27 I have also submitted a patch for it 17:22:31 not really sure what you mean by rationalization =) 17:22:53 Ok let me try to explain 17:23:19 Both projects have some advantages over other 17:24:08 So here we are trying to get advantages of both with removing this duplicate implementation 17:24:27 i'm not sure if that's a good name for bp, but well 17:24:29 ok =) 17:24:54 madhuri_: Murano doesn't install or use k8s. It is just one of the apps that we have. We may have one more implementation of the same interface (actually we have 2 already) and one more app that installs k8s. We don't need to decide which one is better and leave only one 17:24:56 Yeah we can decide on it 17:25:26 So as far as I understand you want to use magnum from murano, by utilising murano plugins mechanism, right? 17:25:41 Yes right kzaitsev_mb 17:26:57 There has been lots of talks about this in previous summit 17:27:07 and that would enable users to write apps, that rely on their existing magnum installations and take advantage of the catalog of apps and ease of deployment, murano offers, right? 17:27:46 Exactly kzaitsev_mb 17:28:01 A white paper has already been released for it 17:28:08 #link https://www.mirantis.com/blog/magnum-vs-murano-openstack-container-strategy/ 17:28:33 madhuri_: you're not explaining why would you do any of that in the bp 17:28:44 so it would be great to add some rationale =) 17:29:00 kzaitsev_mb: I will add this points in detail in bp 17:29:01 cause it's not really clear at the 1st glance, I think =) 17:29:05 Thanks for the input 17:30:15 Please let me know if anyone have any question or concern with it 17:30:17 So where is the rationalization? 17:30:47 We've hadn't had any contributions to contrib and/or plugins before, so you're the first one here =) 17:31:08 Murano will be using Magnum to deploy kubernetes cluster and then usin Murano dashboard users can easily deploy pods, rcs on it 17:31:16 kzaitsev_mb: I forgot about Cloudify plugin 17:31:22 since we do not have any policies on what plugins get in and what not — I guess this is going to be a case-by-case thing ) 17:31:24 Does that make sense StanLagun? 17:31:51 I had a chat with Serg earlier today and he was overall supportive of the idea =) 17:31:57 Magnum offers TLS, loadbalancer feature and Murano offers strong UI to users 17:32:41 madhuri_: again, Murano doesn't use Mangnum or anything else. It is your app that does. You are writing another implementation of KubernetesCluster etc which is good and I very appreciate it. However it is just one more app, not Murano improvement or something 17:33:45 Ok one more point using Magnum will help Murano support Swarm and Mesos 17:34:21 As Magnum supports this COEs(Container Orchestration Engine) 17:34:57 It depends on user which way they want their COEs to be deployed 17:35:41 Thats good. My point is since it is one more app and it's not going to replace any of existing app or change anything in Murano there is nothing to decide for us here. One more application is always good. One more plugin is even better 17:35:58 Yes :) 17:37:03 so, I guess that's all for this topic? 17:37:08 Ok so I would need your help to get this through 17:37:10 Yes 17:37:17 And kzaitsev_mb is already doing it. 17:37:25 Thanks kzaitsev_mb :) 17:37:27 madhuri_: you're always welcome at #murano :) 17:37:37 #topic Open Discussion 17:37:43 Thank you everyone! 17:37:46 madhuri_: feel free to come to #murano and ping us on any problems you encounter =) 17:38:05 kzaitsev_mb: I always do that :) 17:39:32 guys, any question for Open Discussion? 17:39:55 madhuri_: my only wish is that your app could be used as an implementation of DockerContainerHost. Thus anyone could use it as a drop-in replacement for current KubernetesPod 17:40:31 StanLagun: Ok I don't have idea about it now but I will do that 17:42:24 StanLagun: madhuri_ that's actually a terrific idea. 17:42:28 Nikolay_St: not me =) 17:42:50 kzaitsev_mb: Thanks 17:44:13 Do any guys submit a topic for Austin Topics about murano? 17:44:44 zhurong: I start the process today 17:45:34 Nikolay_St Come on 17:50:33 zhurong: I'll notify you if the talk will be elected :D 17:50:39 team, anything else? 17:53:31 And should we rotation meeting time? Consider Chinese developers... 17:54:49 zhurong: we can move it even-odd schedule 17:55:14 zhurong: you can start discussion in ML if you want 17:55:48 I can't say that murano weekly meeting is this popular in China, but let's try :) 17:56:06 I get it 17:57:10 Nikolay_St: it's our chance to get millions of contributors :) 17:57:24 StanLagun: well 17:57:49 Thanks, StanLagun Nikolay_St 17:58:03 our time is CST 01:57:46 17:58:35 zhurong: this sucks :( 17:58:46 it's hard to attend meeting in that time 17:58:50 I know it :) 17:59:23 9PM at Moscow 18:00:45 it's time 18:00:50 #endmeeting