17:02:12 #startmeeting murano 17:02:13 Meeting started Tue Feb 11 17:02:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ativelkov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:02:14 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:02:16 The meeting name has been set to 'murano' 17:02:26 Hi folks 17:02:34 Hi 17:03:35 #link This is our agenda for today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda 17:04:22 #topic AI review 17:04:39 So, let's start 17:05:33 ativelkov and gokrokve to submit more BPs to Glance 17:05:49 We've started doing that and submitted several BPs 17:05:55 more remain to be done 17:06:40 The main work which is still in progress is to create a draft for the API 17:06:45 it is on me currently 17:07:34 ativelkov to update project roadmap to reflect the metadata 17:07:34 repository req's 17:08:07 Not done yet: I had too much presentation activities last week, didn't get to that 17:08:25 #action ativelkov to update project roadmap to reflect the metadata repository req's 17:08:33 So this remains to be done 17:08:53 And the last one on me create more MVP-releated blueprints 17:09:14 This one was actually done by katyafervent, thanks to her :) 17:10:02 katyafervent to comment the blueprint on dynamic service description 17:10:20 Any comments here? 17:10:36 ativelkov, not done yet, katyafervent planned to work on this item tomorrow 17:11:11 Yes, I have no time due to release postponed 17:11:34 ok, let's have it for the next week as well 17:11:50 #action katyafervent to comment the blueprint on dynamic service descriptions 17:12:01 Ok 17:12:14 next one: stanlagun to update the DSL description according to the implemented POC 17:13:03 ativelkov, AFAIK it is done: http://bit.ly/1bJ7jjh 17:13:22 I've written DSL description. It is on googledocs now. I'm going to publish it on wiki after initial feedback and approval 17:14:17 Yes, let's publish it and get the feedback from the community. 17:14:33 we'll also need some abstract and quick examples 17:15:22 last ai: tnurlygayanov to help stanlagun with DSL Engine & YAML workflow unit tests 17:15:31 any prohress on testing? 17:16:22 no, we just read the code 17:16:27 We decide to choose anybody else to help with this action item 17:16:41 No? 17:16:44 I just starting with testing. The first thing that need to be done is make it testable. Need to throw correct exceptions, to pass exception call stack across green threads etc 17:17:39 Also need to write some simple testing framework that would contain all needed mocks and class injection mechanics 17:18:01 I would like to mention that improving unit-tests coverage may be much proficient during actual development, not on PoC 17:18:12 yes, sure 17:18:58 So, let's agree that the testing framework is needed indeed, but actual tests should be done only hen adding this functionality to Murano itself 17:19:06 Any objections? 17:19:53 testing framework should also be developed during development phase ) What reason behind framework without tests? 17:20:09 Tests already needed so that i wouldn't brake one part of DSL while adding features to another 17:20:10 because it is the part of the engine 17:20:22 I think mentioned framework will be efficiently written when will be needed by actual tests 17:21:17 Ok 17:21:32 stanlagun, I think there is no reason to invest time on PoC development. We need feedback and integration in main project 17:22:17 it turns out we are already on our next agenda topic :) 17:22:22 #topic New DSL status 17:23:05 We've already received some feedback on the new language 17:23:56 the general idea is that we need to simplify it as much as possible, to reduce the adoption time for the new developers 17:24:48 ativelkov, I think we need to publish docs written by Stan as soon as possible, and discuss feature by feature features 17:25:19 Yes, but first we need a short abstract 17:25:45 ativelkov, sure 17:27:22 Some draft of this abstract may be seen here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/v5rce77Rpt 17:27:31 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/v5rce77Rpt 17:27:46 But it has to be finalized first 17:28:30 #action tivelkov, stanlagun to complete the short abstract for the new DSL and then publish a complete description of Wiki 17:28:55 meawhile, it is suggested not to use the term "DSL" at all 17:29:45 This thing may have features and power of a full-fledged programming language but it should not look like it- unless absolutely needed 17:30:10 Our users/develeopers should think of them as about the configuration files 17:31:49 Herman Narkaytis has even proposed an analogue with the make-file 17:32:14 But it may also look overcomplicated 17:33:33 Anything else on this topic 17:33:34 ? 17:34:16 then, let's move on 17:34:20 #topic Oslo.messaging status 17:34:53 sergmelikyan: could you please share an update here? 17:38:07 I had published email to the mailing list with results of my research. In short - we can migrate to oslo.messaging 17:40:00 ETA: around a week 17:40:33 OK, is it doable as part of 0.5? 17:40:43 Sure 17:40:51 good 17:41:06 #info migration to oslo.messaging to be done as part of 0.5 17:42:21 #link the ML thread here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/026843.html 17:42:56 ok, the last item in agenda 17:43:01 #topic Repository Reorganization 17:43:25 That's what we didn't complete discussiong last time 17:44:11 There was a message to ML from sergmelikyan 17:44:15 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/026526.html 17:44:44 I wanted other Muranoers to express some opinions as well 17:44:52 Either here or in a mailing list 17:45:10 We have to make decisions on that before we start the actual coding of 0.5 17:46:53 No opinions? :) 17:47:18 :) 17:48:43 oh, well. Guys, this needs to be done. Let's schedule the discussion on some other time then, when everybody are ready 17:49:27 #topic Open Discussion 17:49:43 Anything else to discuss? 17:50:46 Well, lets wrap up then 17:51:01 Thanks for joining 17:51:07 #endmeeting