15:03:57 #startmeeting manila 15:03:57 Meeting started Thu Oct 13 15:03:57 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:03:58 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:04:00 The meeting name has been set to 'manila' 15:04:09 hello 15:04:10 Hi 15:04:12 hello o/ 15:04:13 hello 15:04:13 hi 15:04:13 hi 15:04:13 hi 15:04:15 hi 15:04:16 hi 15:04:20 #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings 15:04:24 Hi 15:04:26 \o 15:04:30 hello o/ 15:04:34 hello 15:05:17 barcelona in just 12 days! 15:05:39 #topic Ocata Design Summit 15:05:50 #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Manila%3A 15:06:20 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ocata-design-summit-topics 15:06:43 sorry it's been slow going pulling together the design summit sessions 15:07:06 I've been without email due a rather spectacular failure at my email provider 15:07:36 I've been trying to find leaders for the discussion topics 15:07:45 ganso: I hope you are okay leading the discussion on jobs 15:08:16 and I'm hoping either mkoderer or dmellado will lead the Tempest session 15:08:34 bswartz: we'll do 15:08:42 * dmellado just needs to check the schedule 15:08:45 both of you? or just dmellado 15:09:01 I can lead or co-lead 15:09:02 bswartz: btw, besides that, there will be a session on the plugins, most probably 15:09:08 mkoderer: let's co-lead that 15:09:10 we want dmellado and mkoderer at that session so we can move it if there's a conflict 15:09:21 +1 from my side ;) 15:09:23 thanks bswartz 15:09:32 please lmk if you have any schedule problems 15:09:38 will do! 15:09:50 bswartz: sure :) 15:09:51 ganso: can you confirm about the jobs session? 15:09:52 bswartz: I hope it's not conflicting with my presentations :( 15:09:55 bswartz: yes 15:09:55 sure we'll do 15:09:59 k 15:10:06 that just leaves the HA topic 15:10:30 I don't know who is the peach color on the etherpad 15:10:46 but HA got a ton of votes so we will cover it 15:11:24 I can lead that topic but I wanted to know if anyone else had an agenda related to HA 15:11:41 I think most of the pressure for HA support is coming from the distros 15:11:51 * bswartz glances at tbarron 15:12:06 bswartz: and people who run it in production! ;) 15:12:27 hi, yes we would like to be able to run share service active-active but 15:12:30 mkoderer: do you have active/active HA working for other services? 15:12:33 ocata is a very short cycle 15:13:03 fixing race conditions is a pre-requisite 15:13:12 bswartz: we have a kubernetes deployment.. it takes care automagically :) 15:13:17 okay we're on the same page then 15:13:42 mkoderer: does the magic actually work? 15:13:56 and cinder not doing active-active volume service yet relieves some pressure downstream 15:13:59 tbarron: we should spend some effort in thinking about testing - how we indentify all race conditions 15:14:07 which services are able to run in A/A configuration without opening up possibilities for races? 15:14:07 bswartz: sometimes 15:14:08 mkoderer, but kubernetes can't make manila-share active/active 15:14:11 mkoderer: ++ 15:14:22 tbarron: no it can't but it's less painful 15:14:35 toabctl: that's what I was going to say 15:14:58 so it's less painful than pacemaker active/passive but the same result in the end 15:15:00 you can run the services A/A but it might be way more dangerous than running A/P 15:15:57 okay well I'm sure that will be a lively session 15:16:03 and it looks like I'm still leading it 15:16:22 now that we have sessions, the next step is putting up the etherpads 15:16:44 I'll do that, and then contact session leaders to populate the etherpads with their agenda 15:17:04 anything else about the design summit? 15:17:22 are you posting a list of topics for the contributor's meetup? 15:17:33 tbarron: it is in the etherpad 15:17:44 ganso: kk 15:17:44 tbarron: top section 15:17:45 tbarron: we'll cover the "remaining" topic there 15:17:56 tbarron: I've started sorting the topics by vote count 15:18:06 yes they're in the etherpad 15:18:21 and the meetup will get its own etherpad which people can add to 15:19:19 #topic open discussion 15:19:28 okay that was the only agenda item 15:19:35 can we merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/375164/ ? 15:19:36 anything else we should discuss today? 15:20:09 ganso: +1 15:20:25 ganso: you asking for reviews or are you asking if the quiet period is ended? 15:20:47 bswartz: asking for reviews, I am assuming the quiet period is ended 15:20:51 because the quiet period has been over officially since last week 15:20:53 yeah okay 15:20:53 ganso: he just wants get it merged )) 15:21:01 :-) 15:21:27 ) 15:21:45 okay I guess it's a short meeting 15:21:47 bswartz: mention the PTG so people can start travel plans/budgets? 15:21:47 Are we meeting next week? 15:22:01 we'll meet one more time next week and the obviously there will be no meeting during the design summit 15:22:13 tbarron: oh thx 15:22:17 bswartz: some teams are doing virtual only is why i bring it up 15:22:27 So I think we should plan to participate in the PTG 15:22:39 it is replacing the design summit after all 15:22:43 cknight: thanks! 15:22:47 bswartz, +1 15:22:48 bswartz: we have so many conflicts with Cinder sessions this time at the summit 15:22:50 ganso: np 15:23:01 * markstur forgets what PTG acronym stands for 15:23:05 I don't know what to expect but I not participating seems like a missed opportunity 15:23:12 markstur: project team gathering 15:23:13 PTG = project team gathering 15:23:28 #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg 15:23:34 the "gathering" is catchy. PTG not-so-much 15:24:04 the details are TBD (thanks to my email SNAFU) but everyone should plan on attending that just like you would a design summit 15:24:12 markstur: ikr 15:24:36 what I don't know so much about will be boston 15:24:46 * markstur googled for ikr 15:24:59 boston will call in the middle of the pike release and AFAIK there won't be so much space for developery stuff 15:25:05 s/call/fall/ 15:25:16 bswartz: will the manila and cinder sessions happening in parallel at PTG? 15:25:33 xyang2: no idea -- I really hope not 15:26:19 xyang2: I'll take an action to find out more and make our plans official 15:26:36 bswartz: thanks 15:26:49 hopefully we'll have a clear plan by the the design summit 15:27:05 Wondering if "mid-cycles" will happen in Boston. I think some will. 15:27:41 markstur: that's been suggested but it's totally unclear if that will make sense 15:27:51 bswartz: will all of the manila sessions webcast? 15:28:03 the whole point of separating the summit and the PTG is so that people like me can attend both 15:28:20 if we have a midcycle in boston then we will fail as that goal 15:28:25 s/as/at/ 15:29:11 zengyingzhe: we will setup a hangout/webex as we have before, but we don't have anyone savvy enough to record the sessions like cinder does 15:30:06 alright anything else? 15:30:28 thanks everyone 15:30:31 #endmeeting