15:01:17 <bswartz> #startmeeting manila
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15:01:28 <bswartz> hello all
15:01:29 <cknight> Hi
15:01:30 <gouthamr_> Hey! o/
15:01:30 <ganso> hello o/
15:01:30 <tovchinnikova> \\//
15:01:32 <vponomaryov> Hello
15:01:35 <jseiler_> hi
15:01:36 <aovchinnikov> hi
15:01:37 <dustins> hey-o
15:01:39 <xyang1> hi
15:01:43 <zengyingzhe_> Hi
15:02:05 <Zhongjun__> Hi
15:02:17 <bswartz> #topic announcements
15:02:56 <tbarron> hi
15:03:09 <bswartz> the winner of the logo contest was Zorilla (striped polecat/african skunk)
15:03:19 <bswartz> #link http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_6f0d111cec78c5ef
15:03:48 <vkmc> o/
15:04:01 <vkmc> yaay
15:04:04 <bswartz> also, RC1 was released
15:04:08 <bswartz> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103757.html
15:04:11 <vponomaryov> bswartz: will there be a vote for pic of Zorilla?
15:04:40 <bswartz> vponomaryov: no, the foundation's art team will handle creation of an appropriate rendering
15:05:06 <vponomaryov> bswartz: just 1 variant?
15:05:09 <markstur> hi
15:05:34 <bswartz> yes the theory is for all the project logos to have a similar artistic style and theme
15:05:47 <vponomaryov> ok, clear
15:06:06 <bswartz> so now that RC1 is released, all 3 projects have stable/newton branches and we're technically open for ocata development
15:06:42 <bswartz> however as always we ask that you hold off merging anything significant until after the final release because it makes backporting bugfixes harder, should we discover any critical bugs between now and release which would warrant an RC2
15:07:19 <bswartz> what we should be focused on now is testing the hell out of the RC and looking for any remaining serious bugs
15:07:49 <bswartz> #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings
15:08:09 <bswartz> #topic Ocata Design Summit
15:08:23 <bswartz> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ocata-design-summit-topics
15:08:39 <bswartz> so I just created this etherpad this morning to start collecting topics for Barcelona
15:09:44 <bswartz> hopefully most of you know that the Ocata release will be extremely short, due to a decision by the TC to shift the release dates for all the projects on the main release cycle about 8 weeks earlier
15:10:25 <bswartz> the result is that milestones in Ocata will only be about 4 weeks apart rather than the usual 6, and we still have the winter holidays in the middle of that, further reducing available time to get work done
15:11:18 <bswartz> we need to be very realistic about available time to develop and merge new features and we should seriously consider not doing any features and just focusing on quality and retiring technical debt
15:11:56 <cknight> bswartz: What about features already well advanced but not quite done in Newton?
15:12:14 <cknight> bswartz: (with specs merged, even)
15:12:34 <bswartz> cknight: well it's fortunate that we have some of those because anything bigger probably wouldn't fit
15:12:50 <bswartz> those things which are almost done but didn't make newton are probably good candidates for ocata
15:13:18 <cknight> bswartz: +1
15:13:38 <cknight> bswartz: I can think of one that missed by 45 minutes :-(
15:13:43 <bswartz> however I think we should reevaluate each one and weigh the effort remaining and risk instead of just blindly carrying over everything
15:14:01 <bswartz> yes the revert-to-snapshot feature seems like a slam dunk to me
15:14:13 <vponomaryov> bswartz: what about midcycle, will it stay?
15:14:32 <bswartz> vponomaryov: almost certainly not
15:14:41 <bswartz> vponomaryov: have you see the proposed PTG schedule?
15:15:01 <vponomaryov> bswartz: now we will use "design summit"?
15:15:11 <bswartz> the first PTG, which will replace "design summits" going forward is scheduled for February
15:15:22 <bswartz> that's around when we would have done a midcycle
15:15:43 <dustins> bswartz: Do you have the PTG schedule handy?
15:16:22 <bswartz> there have been suggestions that for later releases, Pike/Queens/etc, that we hold midcycle-like discussions at the Conferences themselves, which will end up happening towards the middle of the releases going forward
15:16:38 <bswartz> dustins: http://www.openstack.org/ptg/
15:16:46 <dustins> Thanks!
15:18:03 <bswartz> anyways back to my original topic
15:18:25 <bswartz> the way we handled deadlines in mitaka and newton probably needs to change for ocata
15:18:37 <bswartz> I'm working on a proposal and still soliciting feedback
15:18:42 <bswartz> I hope to have that ready by next week
15:19:15 <bswartz> but I feel we need to create some kind of formal process to focus the team's attention more
15:19:56 <bswartz> we are fortunate to have a huge number of good contributions coming in, but our reviewer resources have been spread too thin
15:20:56 <bswartz> anyways if you have ideas, contact me, and if you're a core reviewer and I haven't reached out to yet, expect me to in the next few days
15:21:46 <vponomaryov> bswartz: 1to1 or some group call?
15:21:48 <bswartz> and please start jotting down ideas on the etherpad -- it won't be long until we need to submit design summit talks for the last design summit
15:22:04 <bswartz> vponomaryov: I've been doing 1on1s with every core reviewer
15:22:17 <vponomaryov> ok
15:22:36 <bswartz> trying to save you all time and sythesize a proposal that we can all vote on
15:22:48 <bswartz> synthesize*
15:23:14 <bswartz> anwyays that's all I had
15:23:23 <bswartz> thanks for your great work on Newton everyone
15:23:35 <bswartz> and apologies to everyone who worked hard on features that didn't land
15:23:50 <bswartz> we're going to try to fix the process so we have less of the latter going forward
15:23:57 <bswartz> #topic open discussion
15:24:21 <ganso> can we still backport this? the fix merged yesterday  #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370815
15:24:31 <ganso> backport to mitaka
15:24:46 <ganso> right now I am waiting for HNAS CI
15:25:09 <bswartz> ganso: yeah AFAIK stable/mitaka won't lock down for another 3 weeks
15:25:17 <ganso> bswartz: great! :)
15:26:00 <bswartz> backports to newton will be tightly controlled until after the release ofc
15:27:09 <bswartz> alright if nobody has anything else I'll give you 33 minutes back
15:27:15 <bswartz> thanks everyone
15:27:31 <bswartz> #endmeeting