16:01:43 <VW> #startmeeting Large Deployments Team Monthly Meeting
16:01:44 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Oct 15 16:01:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is VW. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
16:01:44 <mdorman> o/
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16:02:22 <klindgren> o/
16:02:31 <VW> o/
16:02:42 <carl_baldwin> o/
16:02:43 <klindgren> carl_baldwin, if you wanted to lurk :-)
16:02:59 <klindgren> in before I sent - nice
16:03:02 <carl_baldwin> klindgren: ha!  beat you to it.
16:03:29 <mdorman> so did we have a specific agenda here, or just general planning for the summit?   if just general planning i had a couple things to bring up.
16:04:30 <klindgren> looks like VW started with tokyo summit
16:05:10 <mdorman> #topic Tokyo summit
16:05:19 <mdorman> here is the main etherpad:  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-ops-large-deployments-team
16:05:36 <mdorman> my goal today is to get some more details in there so we can hit the ground running
16:05:54 <mdorman> #topic Tokyo summit - Neutron routed/segmented networks
16:06:23 <klindgren> So I am thinking that we are going to be having a discussion on that in a specific neutron session
16:06:33 <klindgren> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-neutron-next-network-model
16:06:41 <mdorman> so on that one, our last meeting we’d talked about trying to organize some representation from Neutron to attend.  VW i think maybe you said you had a couple people on your end you’d talk to.  did anything come of that?  are there neutron folks we need to coordinate with.
16:06:55 <klindgren> carl_baldwin, can confirm on ^^
16:07:01 <mdorman> klindgren:   ah ok so there is actually a separate session for that?
16:07:01 <carl_baldwin> klindgren: I don’t think it is scheduled to a slot yet but I’ll check on that.
16:07:20 <carl_baldwin> I expect it will be soon.
16:07:26 <mdorman> cool
16:07:29 <drwahl> o/
16:07:35 <klindgren> o/
16:07:52 <klindgren> *\o/*
16:07:54 <klindgren> lol
16:07:58 <mdorman> carl_baldwin:   is there anything else we as LDT/ops can be doing to help with this at this point? other than commenting on the spec?
16:08:05 <mdorman> trying to come up with concrete things we can ask people to do
16:08:11 <VW> yes, mdorman two are coming from my end
16:08:16 <VW> do they need to moderate
16:08:52 <carl_baldwin> mdorman: The recent discussion with kevinbenton has left me wondering if I understand the operators’ perspectives well enough.
16:09:18 <mdorman> VW, sounds like it might be more productive for some LDT folks to go to the neutron discussion.  can you post their names in the etherpad, or here, so that i can reach out to them to coordinate?
16:09:23 <carl_baldwin> I’ve been picking klindgren ’s brain a bit and would like to talk to a few more who were represented by this request originally.
16:09:26 <klindgren> carl_baldwin, expressed interest in talking about the spec between now and tokyo with some end users to reinforce his understanding
16:09:35 <mdorman> cool
16:09:48 <VW> mdorman - Ben Burdick and Joel Preas
16:09:51 <mdorman> anything you two want from the rest of us to help pull that together?
16:10:07 <VW> I'm thinking we meet online next week
16:10:33 <VW> re: the Neutron stuff
16:10:41 <mdorman> VW with ben and joel, you mean, or with carl and kris and other ops?
16:10:47 <klindgren> yea and trying to see if we can get sorrinson/CERN on it?
16:11:22 <VW> carl and kris
16:11:29 <mdorman> k
16:11:41 <mdorman> so kris you want that action to get something pulled together next week?
16:11:53 <klindgren> yea
16:12:15 <VW> it will be hard to get sorrison and CERN at the same time
16:12:30 <klindgren> well individually :-D
16:12:39 <mdorman> #action klindgren to organize time next week for carl_baldwin and other operators to discuss neutron segmented networks
16:12:45 <klindgren> someone be up until midnight - openstack needs you!
16:12:56 <carl_baldwin> If we can’t pull everyone together at the same time, I can reach out to subsets of the group individually.
16:13:02 <mdorman> #action mdorman will coordinate with ben and joel for time to meet at the summit
16:13:37 <mdorman> anything else about the neutron stuffs right now?
16:13:47 <carl_baldwin> No, thanks!
16:13:56 <carl_baldwin> … not from me anyway.
16:13:58 <klindgren> just: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-neutron-next-ops-painpoints
16:14:07 <mdorman> appreciate all your work on this stuff carl_baldwin !
16:14:08 <mdorman> ah yes.
16:14:24 <mdorman> #action people should fill in their neutron pain points on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-neutron-next-ops-painpoints
16:14:43 <carl_baldwin> mdorman: Yes, I nearly forgot.  Thanks.
16:15:18 <mdorman> was there a session scheduled specifically for the pain points discussion?  or that’s pending the schedule too?
16:15:51 <mdorman> carl_baldwin: ^
16:15:54 <mriedem> mdorman: your attach/detach interfaces for cells v1 thing is going to run into a testing problem, b/c we don't have a ci job yet for cells + neutron
16:16:04 <mriedem> mdorman: so i'm taking a look at that since that's a job we want long-term in nova anyway
16:16:19 <mdorman> mriedem:  cool yeah i’ve been seeing your comments come through.
16:16:44 <carl_baldwin> mdorman: Still pending.
16:16:50 <mdorman> carl_baldwin:  cool thanks
16:16:56 <carl_baldwin> Actually, we’re working out the schedule now.  Hopefully, it won’t take long.
16:17:17 <mdorman> that’s fine.  i’ll watch for that so i can update the LDT etherpad.
16:17:34 <mdorman> ok everybody happy with neutron topics for now?
16:18:00 <klindgren> yes
16:18:20 <DinaBelova> o/ heh, I thought the meeting will be 40 1 hour later :) sorry, joining now :)
16:18:39 <mdorman> DinaBelova:  np
16:18:50 <mdorman> #topic Tokyo summit - performance issues
16:19:01 <mdorman> so this etherpad has grown quite a bit:  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-performance-issues
16:19:05 <klindgren> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-performance-issues
16:19:15 <DinaBelova> folks, so our session was approved :)
16:19:16 <DinaBelova> http://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/event/b37803981e2d3e3a93c1bf7f25637fc0#.Vh_AMbzUBcZ
16:19:20 <mdorman> thinking we check with Tom and see if we can get a separate session for this.
16:19:28 <DinaBelova> no need :)
16:19:30 <VW> nice - we were squeezing a ton in to our session
16:19:35 <DinaBelova> I conquered cross-project session
16:19:38 <DinaBelova> :)
16:19:42 <klindgren> awesome
16:20:08 <DinaBelova> so we'll be able to discuss all in person
16:20:41 <mdorman> perfect, thanks DinaBelova
16:20:52 <DinaBelova> so I encourage you folks  to fill the etherpad
16:20:57 <mdorman> so we’ll redirect the performance issues discussion to that
16:21:05 <DinaBelova> with the issues you have
16:21:29 <mdorman> yep there is another etherpad that’s already pretty well filled out, i added htat link to the cross project perf issues etherpad, so you can see that there
16:21:55 <mdorman> ok so moving on
16:22:02 <mdorman> #topic Tokyo summit - cells v1 patches
16:22:17 <mdorman> mriedem has been reviewing the list in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-LDT-cells-patches
16:22:23 <klindgren> I wont be able to make it to the perf one : - I have the local patches
16:22:38 <mdorman> this should help us identify some of hte lower hanging fruit so should be able to get merged in quickly
16:22:39 <klindgren> :-/*
16:22:51 <mdorman> as well as some of them that are a larger effort and what the path would be to get those in.
16:23:09 <mdorman> so i am thinking we can kind review those durng teh session and see if we can assign some owners
16:23:12 <mdorman> seem like a good plan?
16:23:14 * VW thanks mdorman for moderating today since he's juggling multiple things
16:23:19 <mdorman> np
16:24:10 <mriedem> oh there is another meeting, then o/
16:24:11 <klindgren> Yea - I like that
16:24:32 <mdorman> mriedem:   confused.  is that a question, or statement?
16:24:40 <mriedem> statement
16:24:42 <mdorman> kk
16:24:42 <mriedem> ish
16:25:00 <klindgren> (he was on beforewhen vw started about 2 hours early)
16:25:12 <mdorman> #action mdorman to review cells v1 patches details and identify work items that can be assigned out during LDT session
16:25:14 <mdorman> ah, ok.
16:25:33 <mdorman> mriedem:   anything else to say about the cells v1 stuff?  not sure what was missed from the earlier meeting :)
16:25:51 <mriedem> not really, several of the things in the etherpad look trivial or bug fix worthy,
16:26:00 <mdorman> cool.  that is good to hear
16:26:01 <mriedem> some of the larger stuff like security groups is going to be rough
16:26:05 <mdorman> right.
16:26:21 <mriedem> and anything related to ec2
16:26:25 <mriedem> since that's deprecated in nova
16:26:29 <mdorman> well if nothing else some of the easier stuff will be a win so at least those of us can reduce the number of local patches.
16:26:34 <mriedem> yup
16:26:50 <mdorman> yeah i am almost thinking we might just have to ignore any of the ec2 stuff ,for that reason
16:27:33 <mriedem> i'll be poking around on trying to see if we can find a devstack config that runs tempest ok with cells v1 + neutron since that will be a blocker
16:27:43 <mdorman> kk
16:27:57 <mdorman> thanks again for jumping in on this
16:28:00 <mriedem> np
16:28:12 <mdorman> alright anyting else for cells v1?
16:28:22 <klindgren> my though was whatever - didn't get into neutron - we could keep a page/repo around - so people can pull in fixes even if they aren't upstream-able...
16:28:30 <klindgren> s/neutron nova
16:28:49 <klindgren> neutron on the brain :-/
16:29:11 <mdorman> yeah that’s a good idea klindgren
16:29:36 <mdorman> ok.
16:29:46 <mdorman> #topic Tokyo summit - public clouds
16:30:10 <mdorman> this topic was suggested, i think by geoffarnold?.  but we don’t really have any specific agenda items for this
16:30:16 <mdorman> so was hoping to solicit some here
16:30:18 <mdorman> or take it to the ML
16:30:56 <mdorman> any thoughts?
16:31:23 <drwahl> there is a lot that could be talked about under that topic
16:31:55 <drwahl> app catalog stuff, inter-tenant security, quota/billing, monitoring-as-a-service
16:32:10 <drwahl> federation
16:32:27 <mdorman> are those topics that have specific issues/bugs/work that needs done?
16:32:42 <drwahl> at varying levels, yes
16:32:44 <mdorman> i would like it to focus on making progress on items rather than just general discussion.
16:33:11 <drwahl> app catalog essentially doesn't exist yet. federation is essentially non-existant, quota/billing is a complete mess
16:33:25 <drwahl> monitoring-as-a-service might be a bit of a discussion and could probably be taken out of this scope
16:33:50 <mdorman> k.  so maybe we can start with a discussion to identify areas that are lacking and/or RFE’s people would like to see?
16:33:55 <mdorman> and go from there?
16:34:06 <drwahl> yup, sounds like a good place to start
16:34:25 <mdorman> cool
16:34:27 <klindgren> I would settle for some good ol fashioned basics
16:34:32 <mdorman> heh
16:34:37 <klindgren> like hierarcical project support
16:34:45 <mdorman> as in accurately track how much resources a tenant is using? :)
16:34:50 <klindgren> deletion of a tenant cleaning up resources in other projects
16:35:06 <klindgren> glance having real quotas
16:35:11 <klindgren> per tenant quotas
16:35:22 <mdorman> yup yup
16:35:31 <drwahl> the whole quotas thing (in all projects) could use a face-lift
16:35:59 <drwahl> different ways to query current usages (some can't even do that *cough* nova *cough*), no quotas at all, etc.
16:36:26 <mdorman> yeah.  i know there is at least one nova spec working through right now for fixing quotas
16:36:32 <mdorman> don’t know much about it, but i have seen the activity
16:37:31 <mdorman> alright, anything else on public clouds topic?
16:38:09 * drwahl is content atm
16:38:25 <mdorman> #topic Tokyo summit - Glance
16:38:27 <klindgren> on to glance asks!
16:38:29 <mdorman> ok, final topic for me
16:38:32 <mdorman> yes, glance asks
16:38:38 <VW> indeed
16:38:42 <klindgren> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LDT-glance-asks
16:38:45 <mdorman> last meeting we had talked about a few ideas for glance RFEs, etc. t odiscuss
16:38:49 <mdorman> nice klindgren, with the ehterpad!
16:39:27 <mdorman> so do we want that topic to be kind of like public clouds, where we focus on specific gaps and things people want?   and then we can go from there?
16:39:43 <mdorman> in reality if glance is last on the agenda, we may end up with not much time for that topic.
16:40:04 <VW> I agree mdorman
16:40:14 <VW> and with everything we are trying to cover, I'm OK with it being last
16:40:19 <mdorman> +1
16:40:36 <mdorman> everybody else on board with that?
16:40:39 <VW> worst case, we keep it in the mix in the monthly meetings and pick it up at the next Ops mid-cycle
16:40:45 <drwahl> wfm
16:40:51 <mdorman> yup yup
16:40:53 <klindgren> ok with me as well
16:41:22 <mdorman> does anybody know if th working session rooms are going to be the conference room style like in vancouver?  or if we’ll actually have a projector, etc like at the ops meetup?
16:41:37 <mdorman> #topic Tokyo summit general planning
16:42:03 <VW> don't know mdorman - re: rooms
16:42:14 <mdorman> kk, yeah figured as much.  doesn’t much matter, was just curious
16:42:14 <VW> will have to ask tom
16:42:18 <mdorman> yeah
16:42:35 <mdorman> ok that’s all teh stuff i wanted to cover re: summit planning.
16:42:52 <mdorman> #action mdorman to post LDT session info on ML and identify action items for people to work on ahead of summit
16:43:15 <mdorman> so other discussion topics from folks?
16:44:26 <drwahl> deafening silence :)
16:44:56 <mdorman> :)  give it a few minutes for everybody to come back from their prod issues to check updates in this window :)
16:45:07 <mdorman> like VW said earlier, #opslife!
16:45:11 * VW lolz for realz
16:45:15 <mdorman> haha
16:45:38 <VW> I think I'm good now.  If you guys have the summit session mainly sorted, that's the most important
16:45:43 <mdorman> wee, fire alarm!
16:45:52 <VW> sounds like we are finding ways to integrate our subgroups too
16:45:53 <mdorman> someone else warp up the meeting please.  all my stuff is covered
16:45:57 <VW> which is niiiice!
16:46:02 <klindgren> So the only thing that I had that is semi LDT related
16:46:07 <klindgren> was the local patches stuff
16:46:13 <openstackgerrit> Merged openstack/osops-tools-generic: Support for archiving additional nova tables  https://review.openstack.org/229013
16:46:22 <VW> and to make sure I followed, klindgren - you have a session for that
16:46:24 <openstackgerrit> Merged openstack/osops-tools-generic: Add option for pt-archiver --nosafe-auto-increment flag  https://review.openstack.org/229015
16:46:34 <klindgren> VW I do - normal ops working session
16:46:47 <VW> cool
16:46:48 <klindgren> and an actuallly pre-working session
16:46:51 <VW> nice
16:47:08 <klindgren> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/operator-local-patches
16:47:30 * klindgren notices rackspace's name missing
16:48:49 * VW accepts his public shaming
16:49:35 <klindgren> excellent
16:50:21 <klindgren> anyway if anyone has some local patches - please add them to the etherpad if you haven't already.  We have someone common themes identified pre-summit
16:50:25 <klindgren> so thats a good start
16:50:25 <VW> email sent, teams harassed, etc
16:50:50 <klindgren> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eTyH--ZMPD0/VgjkuyIOEuI/AAAAAAAAFxU/LkC99xVkvU8/s1600/excellent-4689_preview.png
16:52:20 <klindgren> I htink thats all I had :-D
16:56:09 <klindgren> anyone have anythign else?
16:56:25 <VW> nope I'm good
16:56:28 <VW> thanks all for joinging
16:56:33 <VW> joining even
16:56:45 <VW> and thanks again mdorman for driving a lot of the summit discussion
16:57:02 <drwahl> thanks for your time, everyone!
16:58:00 <VW> indeed
16:59:01 <VW> well if there are no objections, then I'll end things
16:59:09 <VW> and go back to full on #opslife
16:59:20 <VW> as the rest of you will :)
16:59:30 <klindgren> ha
16:59:38 <VW> you get a monitoring alert, YOU get a monitoring alert, EVERYONE gets a monitoring alert!
16:59:41 <VW> #endmeeting