16:00:56 <VW> #startmeeting Large Deployments Team August 2016 Meeting
16:00:56 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Aug 18 16:00:56 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is VW. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:01:00 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'large_deployments_team_august_2016_meeting'
16:01:35 <VW> quick roll call.  Who all is around for the LDT meeting?
16:03:13 <VW> klindgren is it just you and I?
16:04:50 <klindgren> I think so
16:06:22 <mriedem> o/
16:06:39 <VW> hey there, mriedem
16:06:52 <mriedem> just listening in
16:06:57 <VW> no worries
16:07:02 <VW> this is likely to be short
16:07:06 <VW> only have a couple of things
16:07:13 <VW> #topic Glance work
16:07:38 <VW> I was hoping Belmiro would make it, but klindgren have you been in any more interactions with the Glance team?
16:08:01 <klindgren> I have not
16:08:31 <VW> hmm - OK.  will have to follow up on that then before next Thursday
16:08:36 <klindgren> I basically haven't really had any time for community work.
16:08:44 <VW> in case we need to discuss it at the midcycle
16:08:50 <VW> understood klindgren
16:08:52 <VW> clouding is hard
16:08:57 <doffm> Which glance work is this? Could we get a very quick recap.
16:09:28 <VW> sure doffm
16:10:00 <VW> some of it is around being able to disable/hide/depricate an image in such a way that only Nova is aware of it for rebuilds, rescues, etc
16:10:23 <doffm> That is a super good idea.
16:10:24 <mriedem> so not private
16:10:26 <mriedem> but not public
16:10:28 <mriedem> protected!
16:10:29 <VW> but there are some links to blueprints and such we were discussing with the dev team in past meetings
16:10:32 <VW> let me find them
16:10:53 <doffm> "public hidden"
16:10:58 <mriedem> hmm,
16:11:04 <mriedem> seems glance could just have a policy for this,
16:11:09 <mriedem> and a service user, like nova, could get the image
16:11:15 <mriedem> admin or owner or service
16:11:20 <mriedem> but the image wouldn't be public
16:13:16 <VW> some quota items and hierarchical project support
16:13:31 <VW> here is the logs from the june meeting doffm - where we recapped
16:13:36 <VW> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/LDT/June_2016
16:13:59 <VW> previous to that a subset of us had chatted directly with the devs
16:14:01 <VW> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-glance-and-ops-midcycle-sync
16:14:50 <VW> will give you a few minutes to review in case you have questions
16:15:24 <doffm> VW: Thankyou.
16:16:21 <VW> my pleasure
16:18:51 <klindgren> IT seemed like their was some stuff that was in flight for some of our concerns
16:19:04 <klindgren> or atleast internal discussions in the glance team.
16:19:33 <VW> yeah klindgren - you are right
16:19:38 <VW> trying to find blue prints
16:20:32 <VW> community image spec
16:20:34 <VW> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271019/
16:21:06 <VW> image life cycle story with Product WG
16:21:08 <VW> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327980/
16:21:23 <VW> #action VW follow up with anyone in Product WG that comes to midcycle
16:25:12 <VW> alright anything else to discuss here?
16:25:17 <VW> I'll try do some follow up before next week
16:27:24 <VW> taking silence as "no" ;)
16:27:30 <VW> next topic
16:27:36 <VW> #topic OPs mid-cycle
16:27:45 <VW> any of you going to the mid-cycle next week?
16:27:49 <VW> I know klindgren isn't
16:28:10 <klindgren> yep - not I
16:29:21 <VW> We have a couple of time slots, though for LDT
16:29:46 <VW> what kinds of things would you all like to see the team dive into?
16:30:17 <klindgren> So if I was going to be there again - I was going to bring up that rabbitmq itself is being a gigantic pain in the ass
16:30:37 <klindgren> Most likely related to a change in liberty under oslo - about keeping exchange queues around for 10 minuts
16:30:52 <klindgren> which means each RPC message gets its own queue - which stays around for 10 minutes
16:31:02 <klindgren> but mainly the issue is the stats database
16:31:12 <klindgren> which is an actual issue with rabbitmq
16:32:50 <VW> ah - good stuff
16:33:10 <VW> as soon as I locate the etherpads for the meetup, I might get you to pre-seed with that, klindgren
16:33:53 <klindgren> aside from that, I think the only other things that was going to be hot topics for me this year was:
16:34:27 <klindgren> CI/CD how are you doing it.  Especially the CD part.  Seems like using jenkins as a task runner/deployer is not what its designed for.
16:34:58 <klindgren> What are you using to automate SOP's?  using something like rundeck or the like
16:35:13 <klindgren> so people can click something and it follows a standard deployment type thing
16:35:36 <klindgren> Eventaully to get jenkins -> that thing to deploy stuffs
16:35:55 <VW> sounds good
16:36:00 <VW> will try to get some of that feedback
16:36:08 <VW> if nothing else, funnel it to the craton folks
16:36:08 <klindgren> bascially trying to get people out of the habbit of logging into boxes or running local ansible commands to do stuff in the env
16:36:15 <klindgren> and use a standard entry point
16:36:19 <VW> indeed
16:36:47 <klindgren> Then cells v1 -> cells v2 migration
16:36:51 <klindgren> who has done it?
16:36:58 <klindgren> or looked at doing it
16:37:10 <klindgren> or does cells v2 support more than one cell?
16:37:14 <VW> well, seeing how it's likely to be O before the full multi-cell support is in...
16:37:34 <klindgren> I thought that was suppose to land in newton
16:38:49 <klindgren> Was also going to see if anyone had looked at the segmented network stuff.  Apparently its mostly done in newton
16:39:45 <klindgren> Outside of that - I dont think I had anything else.
16:40:17 <VW> the last update I got from our devs, was that it "could" be in Newton, klindgren
16:40:30 <VW> but sean d. will be at the mid-cycle
16:40:36 <VW> so I'll find out about that and let LDT know
16:41:01 <VW> my money is on O, though because, well, software...
16:44:44 <klindgren> yea - well Carl reached out to me and asked if I wanted to see a demo of it
16:44:55 <klindgren> so I assumed based upon that it was mostly done
16:45:05 <klindgren> but again - busy - so I haven't replied
16:45:55 <VW> gotcha
16:48:42 <klindgren> I think thats all I was going to bring up at the ops meetup
16:49:28 <klindgren> or atleast thats all that I can remember right now
16:50:53 <VW> cool
16:51:04 <VW> well if that is the case, I may call this a few minutes early
16:51:08 <VW> but just to be safe
16:51:15 <VW> #topic Other Business
16:52:30 <klindgren> Any one else having any new issues or areas of concern?
16:53:03 <VW> for me - it's mainly fretting over Cells V2
16:55:00 <VW> I'll try to round up a new list of concerns in NYC too, klindgren
16:55:11 <VW> so we can work on them up until and during Barcelona
16:55:45 <klindgren> yea
16:55:57 <klindgren> Are you going to be there at Barcelona?
16:56:10 <VW> I am
16:56:19 <VW> yourself?
16:56:22 <klindgren> I am hoping to be
16:56:46 <klindgren> We have a new manager - so tryingto see if I can get that approved or not.
16:58:25 <VW> gotcah
16:58:29 <VW> gotcha even
16:58:34 <VW> I'll keep my fingers crossed
16:58:38 <VW> OK, well one more action
16:58:56 <VW> #action VW get stuff organized for mid-cycle
16:59:46 <VW> thanks for hanging around folks
16:59:54 <VW> #endmeeting