13:00:01 #startmeeting kolla 13:00:01 Meeting started Wed Apr 19 13:00:01 2023 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mnasiadka. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:00:01 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 13:00:01 The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' 13:00:03 #topic rollcall 13:00:04 o/ 13:00:16 \o 13:00:22 o/ 13:00:23 o/ 13:00:32 o/ 13:00:48 \o 13:01:14 \o/ 13:03:52 #topic agenda 13:03:52 * CI status 13:03:52 * Release tasks 13:03:52 * Regular stable releases (first meeting in a month) 13:03:52 * Current cycle planning 13:03:54 * Additional agenda (from whiteboard) 13:03:54 * Open discussion 13:03:56 #topic CI status 13:04:16 any other CI issues that the octavia one that needs slight fixing? 13:04:57 hmm, can't see any 13:05:14 #topic Release tasks 13:05:41 final xena release is done 13:05:52 will go into em later this week 13:06:09 good, thanks frickler 13:06:33 sad and cool news at the same time) 13:06:57 once A is out, we might think about marking Wallaby as EOL - given the size of our team 13:07:23 +1 13:07:45 I think it's time to focus on trying to get podman merged (and other patches with RP+1) - I'll try to make some time this and next week for some focused testing of podman 13:08:09 And will go through the release checklist, to make sure most of the preparation tasks are handled 13:08:27 #topic Current cycle planning 13:09:19 I haven't updated the whiteboard with priorities for Bobcat yet, but the Whiteboard also needs some tidying up after asian translation attack 13:09:31 i've spinned master stack so i will probably review this patches .. podman and letsencrypt 13:09:41 do we also want to have some kind of freeze, so that we can say other new patches will have to wait until after branching? 13:09:52 unless they are bug fixes of course 13:10:27 Yes, basically nothing out of RP+1 should be reviewed and merged 13:10:42 I mean that doesn't have review priority +1 13:10:57 lets merge backports with fixes and freeze 13:11:00 and we should focus rather on master branch for a couple of weeks than the backports 13:11:19 I see some divergence in opinion here :D 13:11:21 Kayobe still lack of reviewers 13:11:57 Kayobe always trails behind, that's how it is 13:12:04 ok 13:12:18 lets merge k/k-a backports with fixes and freeze 13:12:51 freeze only affects master branch patches - we don't review those that don't have RP+1 13:12:53 the freeze would be for master, stable branches don't need a freeze 13:13:13 backports made from the master) 13:13:50 some fixes in master still on review 13:13:53 if there is anything important that you want review priority on - please post it on the IRC channel, we'll assess and mark with review priority if needed 13:14:03 if there is nothing urgent in backports, I'd agree with mnasiadka to focus on master for now 13:14:15 so agreed 13:14:17 let's move on 13:14:31 of course everyone has their own opinion on what is urgent ;) 13:15:12 ok, agree 13:15:19 #topic Additional agenda (from whiteboard) 13:15:36 ah, we still have to look at the other stable releases 13:15:45 didn't do them for april yet 13:16:01 Ok, let's have a look on the backports 13:16:07 or shall we agree to skip for this month? 13:16:31 let's skip for this month and revisit in May 13:16:37 there's a lot of movement from what I see 13:16:45 at least in k-a 13:17:09 https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/2023.2-leaderless - retire Sahara, Vitrage, Monasca (already dropped) and Windows support (if we have any remnants of it)? 13:17:14 that's the first additional topic 13:17:25 so, we have some projects that are getting retired 13:17:33 Vitrage is one of them 13:18:01 Sahara seems to have survived, but I don't know if it's usable at all in Kolla 13:18:15 so we can deprecate now and drop in bobcat? 13:18:22 I think so 13:18:24 +1 13:18:26 lets get rid of them all 13:18:32 third one is Winstackers - we've had some Windows support in the past 13:18:43 But I don't know if it's still there 13:19:04 Windows support useless 13:19:08 Anyone volunteering for the effort of writing deprecation renos? 13:19:40 I only find two mentions of "windows" in conf.py under the deploy guides section 13:20:27 and those are not about windows support, but about windows icon files (.ico) 13:20:37 mnasiadka should we write only renos or with code removeing? 13:20:38 seems no Windows support, I think we removed it some cycles ago 13:20:39 SvenKieske: is that your statement of volunteering? ;) 13:21:09 so we need deprecation renos for now, and drop the code in master after A is branched 13:21:30 I mean, I guess I could write relnotes, my setup for them is still not complete but that should not take much time (fingers crossed) 13:21:54 I can try 13:22:25 I think Sven was faster :) 13:22:30 ok 13:22:51 So, do we want to deprecate Sahara as well? 13:23:04 I'll focus on the backports 13:23:10 did never use it, so I got no opinion 13:23:17 ok, Vitrage for now 13:23:29 #action SvenKieske raise patch to deprecate Vitrage (to be dropped in Bobcat cycle) 13:23:32 Sahara yes 13:23:50 I'd say deprecate sahara, too, wu can still undeprecate if its situation improves 13:24:11 #action SvenKieske deprecate Sahara too 13:24:33 hum, so questions: do we "deprecate" or do we remove support? that's two different things, no? also: do I only write relnotes, or do I remove code? :D 13:24:50 only write renos for now, that it is deprecated and will be dropped in Bobcat cycle 13:24:56 okay 13:24:57 and we need to drop code in Bobcat cycle 13:25:11 because really removing will be a little more work, I see over 300 hits for "sahara" alone 13:25:15 (which is sort of now, but not for Kolla, since we're trailing) 13:25:35 yes, but likely won't help to prepare the removal now, will be too many merge conflicts 13:25:42 Removing code is fun work, don't worry 13:25:51 :) 13:25:55 yeah. I know :) 13:25:55 ok, next topic 13:25:59 drop OpenEuler 13:26:06 agree 13:26:08 so - OpenEuler CI has been failing for a long time 13:26:38 +1 13:26:40 it was added at the same time as Rocky 8, but since we stopped publishing centos images - that stopped working 13:26:42 no replies on the ML on OpenEuler so far, but you maybe could've mentioned that we're deprecating it in the subject line 13:26:43 and nobody has picked it up 13:27:06 SvenKieske I've replied) 13:27:27 well, I could have, but still if somebody would be interested, they would pick it up earlier than my mail 13:27:47 mmalchuk: apologies, I meant no replies which wanted to take over maintenance 13:28:03 Anyway, surely we should drop the CI job and deprecate 13:28:16 What about dropping? Should we wait for Bobcat cycle as well? 13:28:35 think no 13:28:36 I mean it's broken, so it's practically dead already? 13:28:49 practically yes 13:28:55 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/879129 is the patch to remove the CI job 13:28:56 so +1 for removing 13:28:58 it doesn't even go through bootstrap-servers 13:29:12 +1 for remove 13:29:18 if someone interested shows up it's quickly reverted 13:29:24 ok then 13:29:37 #agreed to remove OpenEuler this cycle (in addition to deprecating) 13:30:00 Anyone wants to remove the code and write the deprecation+drop reno? 13:30:03 SvenKieske may be remove line not add comment? 13:31:13 frickler sorry 13:31:13 mmalchuk: yes, if we want to drop completely, that makes sense 13:31:16 I'll update and also add a reno and see what else could be removed 13:31:28 I just commented this on the patch, let's move patch discussion to gerrit, no? :) 13:31:29 ok then, I'll w-1 13:31:31 Verification of a change to openstack/kolla-ansible master failed: Stop running broken openeuler job https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/879129 13:31:44 ok then, next one 13:31:54 (kyarovoy): help needed with https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/825786, if someone has time - please look at the problems that appear with kolla-build-ansible 13:32:03 Anybody did have time to have a look since last week? 13:32:50 Hi everyone! 13:32:51 well I did look; I really don't get why we support such an old docker release, does it even work in practice? 13:33:15 mnasiadka tests? 13:33:19 We don't test, so we don't really should support. 13:33:48 (about docker version) 13:33:52 I agree about missing relno though, but there where unadressed comments anyway, so I didn't want to pile up 13:34:07 anyway, this patch broke pushes, so I don't think that without setting up a local env we can fix it 13:34:29 If anybody can have a look and help - then please do, I'll leave it for next week 13:34:40 mnasiadka: i ran recheck because logs missing :/ 13:35:22 yeah, maybe the call for help could also be clarified: is it about the failing CI? I'm a big fan of addressing all comments, then look if the CI still fails. 13:35:27 Verification of a change to openstack/kayobe master failed: Bump up Ansible supported versions to 6.x/7.x https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/878207 13:36:25 ok then, no other items in the additional agenda 13:36:41 #topic Open discussion 13:36:57 any news on mounting /run directory? 13:37:14 podman ^ ? 13:37:18 Can someone review the designate patch? 13:37:26 yes on podman 13:37:26 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/878270 13:37:26 Fl1nt which one ? 13:37:33 kevko, too quick ^^ 13:37:43 is it a priority for Antelope? 13:37:47 ihalomi: i will review podman today proabbly and i will check 13:37:53 regarding mounting /run: afaik that was fixed by mounting all needed subdirs? I actually asked upstream at podman but afaik that's not gonna get fixed 13:37:55 it's +131, so it's far from being trivial 13:38:08 mnasiadka, as designate is literally broken on any branch yes 13:38:36 Fl1nt: As long as you can find two core reviewers that sign up for reviewing that, then sure - feature freeze granted. 13:39:00 well hence why I'm asking in here during the weekly meeting ^^ 13:39:12 And I'm waiting for those two core reviewers :) 13:39:15 Fl1nt: i will review also this .. adding to my list .. 13:39:26 Do you want to do backports of that to stable branches? 13:39:39 designate works fine for me, so it depends on the deployment scenario I guess 13:39:39 up to stable/wallaby if possible 13:39:43 can someone find two+ core reviewers for Kayobe too? 13:39:52 frickler, it works by a hasardous combination. 13:39:55 what about https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/877413 (multiple ceph files) , this i think can have priority https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/874729 masakari 13:39:55 Then it needs to be 100% backwards compatible 13:40:04 and by just looking at that patch I see it's not. 13:40:09 kevko, I've already review this one 13:40:21 same feeling as mnasiadka 13:40:26 kevko my comments for ceph review not checked 13:40:46 kevko: update the reno for masakari, then we can merge it, do I need to write it 3 more times? :) 13:40:52 okay, so I will create new patchset with mounting of all subdirs needed, should it be defined in one place and then used as variable in all services or should i add it to each service dependent only on what it needs to mount? 13:41:02 TBH: this patch about CEPH is weird as it force cross-az cinder usage where you don't want that on a CEPH cluster 13:41:03 i will post new patch today in hours ..but there will be only tiny changes and i will resolve comments ...but overall patch is good, isn't it ? 13:41:38 mnasiadka, Fl1nt understand , i will ping you in hour maybe 13:41:48 masakari thing ? ^^ 13:41:53 kevko, perfect! I'll be there :D thx! 13:41:54 Fl1nt why? one ceph can have multiple pools 13:41:57 ihalomi: i think it should be added to existing podman patch 13:42:49 Fl1nt: nope, you just set cross-az: false in config 13:42:51 mmalchuk, yes, but AZ isn't the proper segment, it should segment on backends then. AZ is a logical segment such as AZ-1/2/3 with each zone being an aggregate so can represent zone or hw such as HPE/DELL/SUPERMICRO 13:42:52 ihalomi: I don't think we mount whole /run on a lot of containers 13:43:19 kevko, yes, and it should be the default when using CEPH 13:43:42 Fl1nt It's a formality 13:44:02 it's not weird , juju has the same implementation 13:44:07 mmalchuk, on our setup being HPC/Converged it have impact. 13:44:22 there more setups in the world) 13:44:30 mnasiadka: so listing it in defaults of each service using it is fine? 13:44:42 those ceph patches are in general good, I don't get though why they break backward compatibility regarding keyring names and introduce inconsistencies as well. 13:45:29 mmalchuk, only three exist, either CEPH as a full storage cluster or converged or mix of both, in all case you do not define AZ on CEPH but on Compute aggregate, each zone can access all backend pools or a set of pools 13:45:29 ihalomi: you can have a variable in group_vars/all and just reference the variable where you need it 13:46:08 it can break if custom files used before. we shouldn't hardcode order of the backends via list[0] list[1] etc. 13:46:24 mmalchuk, exactly. 13:46:40 my comments in code about them 13:46:43 mnasiadka: okay, i will try to do it this week 13:46:44 SvenKieske: beacuse it is from beginning bad ... ceph.client.cinder.keyring is ceph - name of cluster, client - cinder ... if you have azs ..you have to distinguish ceph cluster names 13:47:28 SvenKieske : The $cluster metavariable is your Ceph cluster name as defined by the name of the Ceph configuration file (i.e., ceph.conf means the cluster name is ceph; thus, ceph.keyring). The $name metavariable is the user type and user ID (e.g., client.admin; thus, ceph.client.admin.keyring). 13:47:45 kevko: but it breaks backward compatibility for just a name cleanup, hard disagree with that 13:48:16 kevko: when that should really be fixed, fix it everywhere, not only for 1 variable. 13:48:26 SvenKieske: no, it is backward compatible ... it will brae deployment only if you override default values in global.conf 13:48:28 SvenKieske, kolla/kolla-ansible try to address a "generic" approach, meaning you need to stick with fact that the service you implement need to stick with based service best practices + variabilization for flexibility and maximum scenario support. 13:48:55 the gnocchi key is still named wrong than, anyway let's move patch discussion to gerrit, where it belongs :) 13:49:07 yes, patch discussion in gerrit 13:49:07 :) 13:49:10 SvenKieske and if you overriden defaults by yourself ..you should read reno for upgrades where it is explained ... 13:49:19 agree 13:49:23 SvenKieske we should have _default variable and the _actual one for backward support 13:49:24 kevko: agreed :) 13:51:02 last thing - after ceph merge .. kolla-ansible will support azs out of the box ... only aggreagations will be missing ..but it would be small patch to implement ... 13:51:19 and that is cool thing 13:51:29 kevko, aggregation? 13:51:37 question about meeting process: wasn't it the case in the past that the meeting logs are posted to openstack-discuss? did I just miss that mail? 13:51:41 small patch? 13:51:58 about this patchset adding podman to ansible-collection https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ansible-collection-kolla/+/852240 do we need more CI test or the ones that are in podman patchset are enough? 13:52:07 AZ is placement aggregate, what did I missed there kevko ? 13:52:08 there is no such thing as a small patch, unless it's a version bump of a minor component in a Kolla image ;-) 13:52:10 yep https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/admin/availability-zones.html 13:52:37 ihalomi: I think the ones are enough, but as a final solution we need those podman jobs to be run also in ansible-collection-kolla 13:52:46 mnasiadka right) 13:53:02 Fl1nt: it's more things ..i will propose several patches ..and you will see :) 13:53:07 ok then, patch discussions after the meeting or in Gerrit 13:53:14 Last stupid question - anybody going to Vancouver? 13:53:24 kevko, hum... don't get it, you create an AZ by associating placement metadata with host aggregates. 13:53:25 nope :( 13:53:33 it's sad that there are no virtual tickets for vancouver 13:53:39 mnasiadka: okay so no need to work on that for now 13:53:44 Fl1nt: i will write you DM if you are curious 13:53:52 mnasiadka, nope, waiting for EU based one ^^ 13:53:56 it is sad that the foundation still does in-person events at all 13:54:00 kevko, mosdef! 13:54:34 frickler, in-person is cool, but they should do smaller one more often and spread everywhere as GDG 13:54:42 Ok, Kolla User Forum session was accepted, but probably will be lower attendance than last time in Berlin 13:54:55 Anyway - I need to run 13:55:04 thanks for attending and lively conversations 13:55:05 mnasiadka, see ya 13:55:06 See you next week! 13:55:09 #endmeeting