15:59:21 #startmeeting kolla 15:59:21 Meeting started Wed Oct 11 15:59:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:59:22 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:59:24 The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' 15:59:25 #topic w00t! 15:59:26 o/ 15:59:27 o/ 15:59:36 o/ 15:59:42 still no agenda;) 16:00:09 w00t ! 0/ 16:00:21 i added below one 16:00:24 o/ 16:00:26 woot! 16:02:19 o/ 16:03:57 Hello guys, I have registered one bp here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/optimize-the-documentation-format. How about to discuss it? :D 16:04:39 chason: yeah sure 16:04:48 #topic announcements 16:04:58 1. Zuul v3 is rolling soon (again) 16:05:10 was suppoised to roll today but infra folk deal with other issues 16:05:43 anyway, when it rolls, we're going back to code freeze till gates are fixed. We're close, but that'll take some time, hopefully less than a day 16:06:04 thanks for info 16:06:38 2. I learned last week that I'm not going to summit (:() so please, if someone is going, let me know - we need to take care of Kolla stuff there and I'll need your help with this 16:07:14 ok let's move on to meeting 16:07:17 inc0: I'm going and will do the forum session to collect feedback about kolla form users/ops. 16:07:22 o/ 16:07:25 #topic docs format 16:07:27 o/ 16:07:30 chason: go ahead 16:09:01 o/ 16:09:30 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/optimize-the-documentation-format 16:09:37 well ok I think it's self explanatory 16:10:05 Isn't our docs in rst format? 16:10:14 I think they are 16:10:21 I can't recall any non-rst piece 16:10:23 egonzalez nop. 16:10:30 really? 16:10:53 and how it correlates with krtaylor doc changes? 16:11:02 not that much hrw 16:11:04 egonzalez the current rst format is just looks old. 16:11:05 so, we have a bp for reworking the documentation in queens to fit the new format 16:11:09 They are but not follow all standards 16:12:33 chason: can we test new approach with our docs somehow? 16:14:58 egonzalez Exactly 16:16:25 Is the new sphinx/docstheme version changed? 16:16:29 shouldn't we just have one BP to do both things? 16:16:41 i.e. create the new documentation on the new format and deprecate the old doc? 16:16:48 instead of reworking what we have? 16:16:56 yep, thats what we have :) 16:17:04 ah, good, sorry catching up here :D 16:17:25 chason, what makes this different? 16:18:52 I think we need to update our doc format following all standards before we can rework them. 16:19:13 +1 to a single blueprint, this can be a work item on the main doc rework 16:19:23 +1 too 16:19:57 +1 too 16:20:20 and then I would give decision to krtaylor as he knows where we are with rework 16:20:47 chason: when do you upgrade theme? 16:20:58 so the idea was to move to the new layout, then have contributors rework individual docs rewriting/refreshing 16:21:45 I will start it tomorrow. 16:21:47 we have 2 ToC layout patchsets proposed kolla, kolla-ansible 16:22:08 One was merged yesterday iirc 16:22:32 chason, it would be good for you to jump on the etherpad and pick a doc you want to rewrite and go for it 16:22:37 chason, will docs gate break if docs style dont match? 16:23:29 no, AIUI projects can override as they see fit, it is a recommendation 16:23:46 egonzalez never mind. 16:25:03 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/queens-doc-restructure 16:25:06 I will upgrade them strictly following by documentation contributor guide. 16:26:04 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-queens-doc-restructure 16:26:45 this is the etherpad for keeping track of which individual docs are being worked on, just put (chason) infront of one and go 16:27:22 thank you chason for help 16:27:37 just list the doc you are working on under ToDo 16:27:53 so noone else works on it, please 16:28:08 we all dont have enough bandwidth to duplicate efforts 16:28:27 krtaylor Roger. :D 16:29:12 inc0 No matter. :p 16:29:46 egonzalez, you had a question about whether the kolla docs should be under admin or user? 16:30:05 I thought we agreed under admin, inc0 ? 16:31:34 yeah 16:32:03 no particular reason for it, but let's do just admin 16:32:41 so, let's pick one of the ToC patchsets and merge it, so we can start working on docs 16:32:54 I don't care which 16:34:02 ok, anything else in this topic? 16:37:10 guess not 16:37:15 A very late WooT -sorry! 16:37:24 #topic open discussion 16:37:25 anyone? 16:37:29 hi rwellum 16:37:46 inc0: yes 16:37:55 hi folks 16:38:03 spsurya__: shoot 16:38:14 https://launchpad.net/kolla-ansible/+milestone/queens-1 16:38:14 https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/queens-1 16:38:14 https://launchpad.net/kolla-kubernetes/+milestone/0.7.0 16:38:34 inc0: we need target the feature for release 16:38:48 in fact for every release 16:38:55 based PTG discussion 16:39:12 so that review can be prioritize 16:39:40 well, we never really done it 16:39:42 spsurya__: we also have the etherpad of kolla-k8s 1.0 16:40:02 rwellum: yes we have 16:40:22 some of them need to be converted to BPs 16:40:28 Yes 16:41:03 rwellum: we need the revise the target too 16:41:13 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-queens-ptg-k8s-release-roadmap 16:41:18 if I think correctly 16:41:27 Target? As in release? 16:41:51 i mean for release 0.8.0 16:41:58 Oh right 16:42:19 then for 0.9.0 for finally 1.0.0 16:43:15 rwellum: inc0: just for better track 16:43:32 well we're very light on process 16:43:51 we barely use blueprints really;) 16:44:00 yeah 16:44:19 I'd start by moving to storyboard if we want it 16:46:01 would be good :) 16:47:18 thanks that is all from my side 16:47:35 ok, mgoddard you wanted to say something too? 16:47:37 I have an item for open discussion: future of kayobe & kolla-ansible. It would be good to discuss how these projects will coexist going forward, whether there is any interest in picking up kayobe in some form as a kolla deliverable, or alternatively pushing some kayobe functionality into kolla-ansible 16:47:39 thank you Surya 16:48:13 inc0 sensed my finger hovering over the return key 16:48:37 mgoddard: I think we should discuss this on ML, that's going to be big increase in scope of kolla-ansibe 16:48:47 another deliverable on the other hand is lighter 16:49:22 yet another option would be to have kayobe as full fledged openstack project that consumes kolla + kolla-ansible 16:49:33 that would give biggest flexibility for you to grow 16:50:08 tripleo already consume Kolla images 16:50:09 inc0 that's a good idea. I'll try to put together my thoughts in an email 16:50:24 please do, and add [tc] tag to it too 16:50:36 as these guys can provide awesome feedback too 16:51:02 good thinking. 16:51:16 thanks Mark, your work is totally awesome:) 16:52:20 anything else? 16:52:23 anyone? 16:52:27 me 16:52:33 go ahead 16:52:38 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425446/ 16:52:40 I think in any outcome there are some kayobe features which might be better placed in kolla-ansible, and it would be nice to push them down. I'll try to think about what these are - I guess that's a more narrowly scoped kolla conversation 16:53:01 it's keystone zero-downtime upgrade ps, may somebody test and review it? 16:53:04 yeah, we can break this apart too and push some stuff to k-ans 16:53:15 ah, sorry mgoddard 16:53:33 duonghq, my bad! go ahead :) 16:54:27 that's all from me, I only want to re-raise the ks patchset, then I or somebody can work on other services upgrade logic 16:54:37 thanks 16:54:47 we're at the time, so thank you all for coming! 16:54:58 #endmeeting kolla