18:01:02 #startmeeting keystone 18:01:03 Meeting started Tue Dec 20 18:01:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samueldmq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:01:04 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:01:05 stevemar: ++ 18:01:07 The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' 18:01:16 o/ 18:01:16 hi all, hope you're all doing well 18:01:21 we've got a small agenda today 18:01:30 so if you ahve something to discuss, please update the etherpad 18:01:34 the agenda is at: 18:01:38 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting 18:01:58 #topic announcements 18:02:00 stevemar: o/ 18:02:01 o/ 18:02:05 oh hey 18:02:11 thanks for running the meeting samueldmq! 18:02:19 stevemar: lol 18:02:27 theres more! 18:02:27 stevemar: my pleasure 18:02:45 we're a few weeks away from ocata-3 being cut 18:02:50 https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html 18:03:01 #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html 18:03:02 ocata-3 is being cut on Jan 23-27 18:03:14 stevemar: i'm going to try and get the MFA stuff done, but holidays may mean it slips 18:03:24 o/ 18:03:28 stevemar: but that was expected with the short cycle. 18:03:45 I don't know what the holiday schedules look like for everyone, but i figured I'd remind everyone of the priorities: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/156q820cXcEc8Y9YWQgoc_hyOm3AZ2jtMQM3zdDhwGFU/edit?usp=sharing 18:04:02 communication will be slow and infrequent 18:04:13 if you need me, shoot me an email to my gmail address 18:04:32 otherwise, thanks everyone who has reviewed or commited a patch this cycle! 18:04:40 i'll be canceling next meeting 18:04:48 and taking this thursday/friday off 18:04:58 so merry christmas and happy holidays :) 18:05:09 thanks keystoners :) 18:05:14 \o/ 18:05:25 and happy new year too! 18:05:28 thanks all, this has been a great year for keystone 18:05:32 stevemar ++ 18:05:35 stevemar: thanks for being a great leader 18:05:37 thanks! 18:05:46 next meeting till be on 01/03 (or whatever the numeber is, that week) 18:05:49 thanks! 18:05:55 happy holidays! 18:06:10 * stevemar hands the baton back to samueldmq 18:06:19 stevemar: thanks 18:06:38 #topic open discussion 18:06:49 does anybody have anything to discuss? 18:07:13 just a reminder that we will be having our policy meeting tomorrow - but it will probably be cancelled next week 18:07:20 I am particularly concerned about the features which have been approved but not started, in that doc stevemar shared 18:07:32 I'll be sure to send a note to the mailing list, but wanted to post an update here, too 18:07:45 the keystone-horizon meeting is canceled 2 weeks in a row, lands on a thursday 18:07:47 lbragstad: nice. what time ? 18:07:55 lbragstad: just to document it here too. 18:08:08 1600 UTC 18:08:09 http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Keystone_Policy_Meeting 18:08:27 lbragstad: nice, thanks 18:08:34 yep! 18:08:39 anyone have a review request? 18:09:35 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399684/ 18:09:36 :) 18:09:44 yeah :) 18:09:51 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324769/ 18:09:53 also, there are plenty of not started bugs in that priorities etherpad. just in the case someone want to pick one up :-) 18:09:56 rderose: added 18:10:08 although samueldmq and lbragstad reviewed it 18:10:11 :) 18:10:25 rodrigods: "u'Conflict occurred attempting to store identity_provider - Duplicate entry: testshib" 18:10:27 :P 18:10:33 stevebaker, yep 18:10:35 see related bug 18:10:42 samueldmq: yeah, I'm hoping to fix the LDAP ones over the break 18:10:46 and KSC ones 18:10:50 it will never pass, because the cleanup is broken due the bug 18:11:15 stevemar: nice 18:11:17 an option is to add the "wip" decorator 18:11:34 rodrigods: what is that bug and what does it take to fix it ? 18:12:09 rodrigods: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1642692 ? 18:12:10 Launchpad bug 1642692 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Protocol can't be deleted after federated_user is created" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Ron De Rose (ronald-de-rose) 18:12:36 maybe someone wants to organize a bug smash in the new year ? :) 18:12:52 samueldmq, can you please send a link of the not started bugs you are stating above ^ ? 18:12:59 if everyone fixes one or two bugs we'd make a lot of headway 18:13:04 stevemar: I can organize it, just need to know when it would work for ppl 18:13:08 stevemar dstanek and I have talked about resurrecting the friday bug days 18:13:14 stevemar: agreed 18:13:25 lbragstad: that'd be great! 18:13:33 I'd be happy if there was something regular and structured 18:13:40 lbragstad: you thinking all day friday? 18:13:46 nishaYadav: see the priorities at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/156q820cXcEc8Y9YWQgoc_hyOm3AZ2jtMQM3zdDhwGFU/edit#gid=0 18:13:47 9am - 5pm sort of deal? 18:13:48 stevemar that's what it was before 18:13:58 yeah, lets start those up again 18:13:59 ++ 18:13:59 nishaYadav: there is a section with bugs to be addressed in Ocata 18:14:00 good idea 18:14:02 but most folks would conttribute an hour or two 18:14:11 lbragstad: i'll stick around all day :P 18:14:26 from our experience - it the issue wasn't finding things to work on 18:14:28 or bugs to fix, 18:14:34 samueldmq, sure I will check that, thanks 18:14:38 I should be able to request the whole friday for keystone, already complained to manager I don't contribute as much as I wanted. 18:14:38 the hang up usually ends up being reviews that close bugs 18:14:48 but having it a regular occurence makes it easier. 18:15:10 knikolla: nice, hopefully it'll work out 18:15:18 the full friday was nice. the biggest issue we had is that as time went on there was less and less of us 18:15:20 i can take an action item to get that rolling again with dstanek if people want that format 18:15:40 knikolla: i'm sure lbragstad or dstanek will whip up an email to the mailing list that you can send to your manager 18:15:43 dstanek ++ especially across time zones 18:16:04 dstanek: that's somewhat expected, sorry west coast people 18:16:06 dstanek: lets put a threshold on the number of people, and if it drops below that, revise 18:16:07 #action lbragstad and dstanek to get bug smashes on Fridays rolling again 18:16:18 knikolla do you need it phrased a certain way in order to get approval? 18:16:38 i mean just in general. by the last official one i may have been the only one participating 18:16:55 dstanek: did you remind people that you were running them? 18:16:57 we need to try to keep people engaged more, but i don't know how 18:17:08 knikolla something along the lines of "subject: knikolla must fix all the bugs every Friday in keystone" 18:17:18 stevemar, lbragstad: not really, Its a pretty informal workplace (as academia usually is). but since i work with a lot of students, and they rotate every semester, i never get to delegate as much as i want. 18:17:23 stevemar: yep, we announced it, had people updating the etherpad, but it still lost steam 18:17:23 lbragstad: dstanek: having a hangouts set up can be useful too, so people can just talk in there when needed 18:17:31 I remember lbragstad did that once 18:17:50 so even if my manager says, yes, if I need to get stuff done, and nobody can do it besides me, approval doesn't help much. 18:17:50 dstanek: hmm, okay, let's try it again and see what happens, we need new data 18:17:53 ++ hangouts 18:17:55 samueldmq: initially we did. but nobody wanted to do that 18:17:59 dstanek: timing is always an issue 18:18:13 ++ hangouts 18:18:19 it's too hard to work in a hang out. even worse that having a noisy cube 18:18:23 who wasn't OK with hangouts? 18:18:26 maybe it should be something to happen on fridays 18:18:32 the only thing that stinks about hangouts is the attendance cap 18:18:37 stevemar: what was trhe reson for hangouts? 18:18:37 but if we have quorum? 18:18:39 (we hit that with the policy meeting) 18:18:43 * morgan reads backscroll 18:18:51 is there something that doesn't cap like hangouts? 18:18:55 hangouts was problematic for policy meeting 18:19:16 haha, if we have that many people participating in the bug smash, i'd be happy! 18:19:18 well - to be fair, I don't pay for google services, so the unpaid version does have a cap 18:19:23 i can't imagine it'll be more than 10 18:19:26 i'll be happy to send out an email about Friday bug days, but i don't want to sit in a hangout. i would do it on demand though 18:19:30 also, remember that anything said in hangouts needs to be replayed to open development practices (irc, etc) if it is used for anything beyond adhoc problem soliving 18:19:31 I like discord for voice/text chatting, no video though 18:19:32 dstanek was telling me that the paid version has a higher cap 18:19:34 decisions should not be bade on them 18:19:43 made* 18:19:57 morgan: it'll be for problem solving 18:20:03 stevemar: ++ 18:20:04 lbragstad: not much higher iirc 18:20:06 stevemar: just make sure folks are clear on that 18:20:13 hmmm, can we have multiple hangout rooms? 18:20:16 like one for ldap 18:20:17 we could use something like mumble 18:20:18 one for federation 18:20:21 one for general bugs 18:20:27 knikolla: no, that would be terrible 18:20:28 any decision made will be will be noted in commit messages and bug reports 18:20:35 true 18:20:38 ftr, i dislike hangouts in general for a "standing" thing 18:20:44 i think hangouts should be on demand and can be coordinated in the room 18:20:48 let's just try a single hangout for now, if we run into issues, we'll handle them as we go 18:20:49 standing hangouts is bad 18:20:54 do an on-demand one 18:20:58 if needed 18:21:01 https://meet.jit.si/ 18:21:03 the last thing i want to do is hack code or try to review with 12 people staring at me 18:21:05 stevemar: ++ 18:21:10 the hangout worked *really* well for the API sprint 18:21:15 if you need to communicate problem solve, spin up a hangout 18:21:15 no google account required and is FOSS 18:21:21 let's just start it, we can improve/change tools as needed 18:21:25 morgan ++ 18:21:32 don't make a standing one for the day 18:21:35 dstanek: but i'm watching you code right now 18:21:43 one of the postdocs that works with us, swears by talky.io 18:21:51 stevemar: twitch programs openstack 18:21:55 stevemar: i know the NSA is! 18:22:43 i'll let whoever organizes this make the call, but i think a single hangout is fine for now 18:22:45 anyway. like i said. don't make a standing hangout for this. spin up the hangout dynamically for specific solving 18:22:50 it worked for the API ref sprint 18:22:56 stevemar: agreed 18:23:10 I get lonely during the day and want to talk to people 18:23:26 stevemar: same here, I don't even have an office near me D: 18:23:47 lbragstad: you've got the TODO correct? 18:24:04 stevemar i do - samueldmq made an action 18:24:04 stevemar: I've added an #action a few lines above 18:24:08 yep 18:24:28 awesomeo 18:24:33 does anybody else have something else to discuss ? 18:24:39 oh, one thing I wanted to remind people about 18:24:43 https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ 18:24:55 PTG, register for it soon (I have to do that...) 18:25:08 stevemar when do you want the first Friday bug day to be? 18:25:13 i'm surprised that it didn't sell out already 18:25:29 dstanek: I'm waiting til mid-january 18:25:31 stevemar Friday, January 6th? 18:25:37 lbragstad: sure, fine w/ me 18:25:39 220 tickets remaining 18:25:44 dstanek does that work for you? 18:25:48 dstanek: I don't want to do two expense reports 18:26:13 lbragstad: yep, works for me 18:26:20 dstanek sweet - thanks 18:26:38 stevemar doing more than one expense report at a time is borderline manager-like 18:26:43 stevemar: just keep an eye on that number 18:27:06 dstanek: ++, if someone notices that number dipping, give the rest of the team a shout 18:27:25 i have to wait til travel req is approved, and that doesn't happen til new year 18:27:33 i imagine a lot of people are in the same boat 18:27:33 #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/project-teams-gathering-tickets-27549298694#tickets 18:28:02 keystone is having their mid-cycle W-F apparently 18:28:24 Are you guys coming just for W-F or earlier? 18:28:27 Monday and Tuesday is all the horizontal projects 18:28:30 anything else ? 18:28:32 knikolla: whole week! 18:28:47 i'm still unsure if I'll be there the whole week 18:29:10 I'm not sure either 18:29:30 sorry my message got delayed 18:29:36 unless dstanek has heard something I haven't 18:29:42 I am trying to be the whole week 18:31:00 i'm done with topics :) 18:31:01 lbragstad: no idea, i'm assuming that i'll get there on Tuesday though 18:31:17 sounds like beer:30 then 18:31:23 yeah 18:31:29 thanks everyone for coming 18:31:34 thanks all 18:31:37 A unified midcycle is nice though, I had to fly to the nova one in the last cycle :/ In Hillsboro 18:31:40 thanks for chairing 18:31:51 samueldmq: ^ 18:31:55 enjoy holidays, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year 18:32:02 happy holidays all!!!!! 18:32:02 stevemar: anytime, thanks 18:32:17 #endmeeting