14:01:23 #startmeeting kayobe 14:01:23 Meeting started Mon Jul 8 14:01:23 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mgoddard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:24 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:01:26 The meeting name has been set to 'kayobe' 14:01:36 #topic rollcall 14:01:38 \o 14:03:22 o/ 14:04:06 #topic agenda 14:04:16 * Roll-call 14:04:19 * Announcements 14:04:21 ** Kayobe to become a kolla deliverable 14:04:23 ** Kayobe will be discussed in the kolla meeting from next week, Wednesday at 1500UTC 14:04:25 ** #openstack-kayobe will close, please move to #openstack-kolla 14:04:27 * Review actions from last meeting 14:04:29 * Kayobe whiteboard https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kayobe-whiteboard 14:04:31 * Discussion 14:04:33 ** Stein release https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kayobe-stein-release 14:04:35 * Open Discussion 14:04:37 #topic announcements 14:04:55 #info Kayobe to become a kolla deliverable 14:05:16 Thanks kolla team for agreeing to have kayobe as a deliverable 14:05:32 #info Kayobe will be discussed in the kolla meeting from next week, Wednesday at 1500UTC 14:05:36 Yay team Kolla 14:05:45 hey, sorry 14:05:45 This will be the last kayobe meeting :( 14:05:50 hi dougsz1 14:05:53 We keep the separate IRC channel still? 14:06:29 #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org///#Kolla_Team_Meeting 14:06:42 #info #openstack-kayobe will close, please move to #openstack-kolla 14:07:26 we'll use openstack-kolla for kayobe discussions from now on 14:07:54 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla 14:08:24 Any other announcements? 14:08:51 nope, but nice to see the projects combine 14:09:21 #topic review actions from last meeting 14:09:43 mgoddard to schedule bug review and squash session 14:09:46 mgoddard to investigate errors in kayobe-seed-upgrade-centos job 14:09:51 well 1/2 isn't bad :) 14:10:09 CI issues with seed upgrade job now resolved 14:10:20 #action mgoddard to schedule bug review and squash session 14:10:26 I'll have another go at that 14:10:46 #topic Kayobe whiteboard https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kayobe-whiteboard 14:11:07 I guess we might want to combine whiteboards with kolla? 14:11:16 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/KollaWhiteBoard 14:11:43 +1 to combine them 14:11:55 Good idea 14:12:11 hi 14:12:59 #info We will combine whiteboards with kolla for the train cycle 14:13:06 hi jovial[m] 14:13:46 CI looking mostly green 14:14:13 we are getting a bit behind on reviews 14:14:37 #link 14:14:40 https://review.opendev.org/#/dashboard/?foreach=%28project%3Ax%2Fkayobe%29+status%3Aopen+NOT+label%3ACode-Review%3C%3D-2&title=Kayobe+Review+Dashboard&My+Patches+Requiring+Attention=owner%3Aself+%28label%3AVerified-1%2Czuul+OR+label%3ACode-Review-1+OR+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D-1%29&Small+things+%28%3C25+LOC%2C+limit+10%29=delta%3A%3C%3D25+limit%3A10+%28NOT+label%3ACode-Review-1%2Ckayobe-core%29+label%3 14:14:42 AVerified%3E%3D1%2Czuul+branch%3Amaster&Needs+Reverify=label%3AWorkflow%3E%3D1+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D-1+label%3AVerified%3C%3D-1%2Czuul&Needs+Final+Approval+%28to+land+on+master%29=NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3E%3D1+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D-1+NOT+owner%3Aself+label%3ACode-Review%3E%3D2+label%3AVerified%3E%3D1%2Czuul+%28NOT+label%3ACode-Review-1%2Ckayobe-core%29+branch%3Amaster&Newer+%28%3C1wk%29+Open 14:14:44 +Patches+%28limit+25%29=-age%3A1week+limit%3A25+branch%3Amaster+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3E%3D1+%28NOT+label%3ACode-Review-1%2Ckayobe-core%29+label%3AVerified%3E%3D1%2Czuul+NOT+label%3ACode-Review%3E%3D2&Older+%28%3E1wk%29+Open+Patches+Passing+Zuul+Tests+%28limit+50%29=age%3A1week+limit%3A50+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3E%3D1+NOT+label%3ACode-Review%3C%3D-1+NOT+label%3ACode-Review%3E%3D1+age%3A1week+NOT+label% 14:14:46 3AVerified%3E%3D1%2Czuul+%28NOT+label%3ACode-Review-1%2Ckayobe-core%29&Open+Stable+Backports=branch%3A%5Estable%2F.%2A+status%3Aopen 14:14:48 doh 14:14:49 #link https://tiny.cc/kayobe-review-dash 14:16:49 lots of easy patches with 1x +2 14:17:01 if people have some time, please help land a few 14:17:19 kolla is about to release stein, we shouldn't be too far behind 14:19:05 #topic Stein release 14:19:34 Kolla stein release this week (with any luck) 14:19:57 What should we focus on, and what should we delay to train? 14:21:17 There are lots of little fixes / features that could make it into Stein 14:21:45 +1. I just added https://review.opendev.org/667451 and https://review.opendev.org/666820 to priorities, which have been bugging people for some time 14:21:57 What about changing the default Docker driver, is this something we're ready to change? 14:22:24 cool, 666820 would be a nice one 14:22:54 Docker driver would be nice. Problem is we've had reports that overlay2 doesn't play nicely with libvirt 14:23:30 even with docker ce? 14:23:30 We'll probably want to switch to it eventually, and I'm a bit wary of migrating twice 14:24:12 jovial[m]: unsure about that. johnthetubaguy might be able to say for sure 14:24:28 There was some interest in arbitrary docker options when running containers - is that in Kolla Ansible for Train and if so can we configure it via Kayobe? 14:24:39 eg. specify docker logs driver etc. 14:25:50 dougsz1: there is docker_custom_option, which goes in the systemd unit file rather than daemon.json 14:26:30 dougsz1: I think GR had something for daemon.json but it hasn't made it out yet 14:26:38 could ask nicely if you need it 14:26:47 yeah, that's what I was thinking about 14:28:09 I guess we might not get that in time 14:28:31 i just heard that mgoddard was working on it :) 14:29:01 back on review priorities, please also consider stable backports a priority. We have a few open currently 14:29:45 if we keep up to date with backports, people shouldn't need to run forks 14:30:51 #topic open discussion 14:31:23 Does anyone have any questions about the switch to become part of kolla? 14:32:19 is there going to be a tighter integration or are we just going to continue as is? 14:32:33 Will we need to release kayobe synchronised with kolla? 14:33:14 jovial[m]: I don't think there is any plan for a tighter integration. If there is a proposal for a good way to do that we could consider 14:34:10 jovial[m]: I'm not sure. Probably not, given that we consume kolla ansible we might always need time after the k-a release 14:34:18 sorry, that was for priteau :) 14:34:34 OK 14:34:58 I'd certainly like to be following a roughly similar timeline, such that we are stabilising around the same time 14:35:41 in practice, I think we'll switch to a cycle-trailing release model, which gives us 3 months after final release 14:35:47 or else... I don't know what happens 14:35:58 Do we get to switch to launchpad? :) 14:36:32 Shouldn't Kolla switch to Storyboard instead? 14:37:01 (I was partly joking, but Storyboard still seems painful to me for searching) 14:37:07 dougsz1: :p 14:37:35 I don't think there is a reverse migration path, unless you want to lose the last X months of changes 14:37:44 yeah, not worth it :) 14:37:54 more important things.. 14:38:08 kolla has resisted the switch to storyboard, mostly due to laziness :) 14:38:28 perhaps kayobe will provide the incentive to standardise 14:39:05 it might be nice to have a story with tasks in kolla, kolla-ansible and kayobe 14:40:02 perhaps you can help me brainstorm what things we'll need to change for this migration 14:40:12 yeah, that would make sense. A feature in Kolla Ansible may well require Kayobe support, and would be nice to track that all in one place 14:41:02 so I have changes in governance and project-config to do the repo rename and officialness 14:41:10 what will we need to change on our side? 14:41:57 I've pushed a patch to switch to docs & release notes jobs that publish to openstack.org 14:42:47 we have various links that will need to change, for opendev.org/x/kayobe -> opendev.org/openstack/kayobe 14:43:28 We have a wiki now 14:43:33 And search for any mention of readthedocs 14:43:38 They should all go 14:43:49 +1 14:43:57 should we switch to the kolla wiki or keep our own? 14:44:23 hmm, didn't even realise we had a wiki 14:44:27 We have a wiki? 14:44:39 I had no idea 14:44:45 And do we need one, if we have good docs? 14:44:54 you guys 14:44:55 Just another thing to maintain? 14:45:15 definitely announced this in a meeting 14:45:18 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kayobe 14:45:24 One use I see for it is linking to Etherpads 14:45:38 it was requested by someone at the forum 14:45:44 You don't want to have to push commits to the docs for every new forum / ptg pad 14:46:19 Maybe let's keep our own wiki for now? 14:47:11 ok 14:48:04 I might add kayobe to the kolla wiki though: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kolla 14:48:58 What should we do with http://kayobe.readthedocs.io? 14:49:33 I really quite like it to be honest 14:49:39 It's very useful 14:49:57 oh yes, no suggesting we remove any docs :) 14:50:03 But I suppose the Kayobe OpenStack docs should be equally so 14:50:12 but we will be allowed to use openstack.org 14:50:30 How easy is it to migrate to that? Just a doc job? 14:50:46 yeah, just start publishing there 14:50:54 cool 14:51:15 what can we do about RTD for people who are used to going there? 14:51:21 Will be nice to update Kolla docs as well, to introduce Kayobe as a option early on 14:51:38 probably doesn't hurt to keep publishing there, but would be nice not to have to do that forever 14:52:08 I suppose providing that they *always* stay in sync it's not a huge issue 14:52:10 I did add something about kayobe in kolla ansible docs, but perhaps we could be a bit louder 14:52:58 sounds good - not an advertising pitch, but just make sure people understand the benefits and how it could be useful to them 14:53:10 I wonder if there's a header we could add to direct people to official docs 14:53:33 There might be a Sphinx extension to do that 14:53:37 same issue for release notes really, which don't currently get auto updated 14:54:10 priteau: that would be good 14:54:33 When should we disable this channel? 14:55:32 maybe once all the project-config changes have gone through 14:55:38 Is everyone @here also on #kolla? 14:56:02 dougsz1 isn't on #openstack-kolla :P 14:56:09 doh 14:56:23 flaky internet! 14:56:24 not yet 14:56:53 ok. I'll stick around in this channel until the end, in case anyone pops up 14:57:06 So everyone seems to be on #openstack-kolla except kgz, dougsz1 and jovial[m] 14:57:06 everyone else feel free to move to openstack-kolla after this meeting 14:57:19 Shall we update the channel topic to point people in the right direction? 14:57:26 +1 14:57:44 dougsz1: tried, didn't work first time so gave up :) 14:57:45 I've made kgz run away :-( 14:57:59 priteau: he works for jetstack in our office :) 14:58:17 I know :-) He's on another channel anyway. 14:58:46 2 minutes to go 14:58:52 any other burning questions? 14:59:02 can't we set up a redirect? 14:59:14 IRC redirect/ 14:59:17 ? 14:59:27 yep 14:59:51 I could ask in infra channel 15:00:18 thanks for brainstorming, I have a list of things to do now 15:00:33 if you ask nicely, I might even give you one :p 15:00:38 something like: https://epir.at/2016/06/26/redirecting-freenode-channels/ 15:01:02 jovial[m]: it's probably not in my power, but might be able to get infra to do it 15:02:00 will try and pick something up 15:02:01 Thanks everyone 15:02:05 thanks 15:02:12 Great work on getting kayobe to this point 15:02:22 And so begins a new era :D 15:02:37 I need to get a sticker 15:02:44 They grow up so fast 15:02:57 #endmeeting