17:01:36 <krtaylor> #startmeeting ironic_qa
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17:01:40 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa'
17:01:44 <mjturek> o/
17:02:17 <krtaylor> hi everyone
17:02:25 <jroll> \o
17:02:35 <krtaylor> #topic Announcements
17:02:56 <sambetts> o/
17:03:00 <krtaylor> not much of an agenda today, but here it is for completeness:
17:03:04 <krtaylor> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA
17:03:24 <krtaylor> I have an announcement
17:04:01 <krtaylor> the third party CI working group meeting has been merged back into the third party ci office hours meeting on Mondays
17:04:26 <jroll> good to know :)
17:04:35 <sambetts> noted :)
17:04:36 <krtaylor> although I guess I could have announced that in the CI section  :)
17:04:42 <krtaylor> here is the info:
17:04:46 <krtaylor> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty
17:04:58 <krtaylor> any other announcements?
17:05:01 <jroll> I also have a thing
17:05:13 <jroll> we had a conversation in channel monday about tempest and devstack
17:05:23 <jroll> tl;dr, they are too tightly coupled
17:05:30 <jroll> and our tempest plugin isn't useful for testing real clouds
17:05:45 <jroll> we started listing some goals here, among some other things we want to fix
17:05:47 <jroll> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-testing-future
17:05:58 <jroll> I plan to write some sort of spec or something on what we want to change
17:06:18 <jroll> outside of that, I'm working on removing ironic code from tempest's tree (which we were supposed to do quite a while ago)
17:06:31 <jroll> and I've started the repo creation process to put our tempest plugins in a separate repo
17:06:42 <jroll> which is the 'right' thing to do, apparently
17:06:55 * jroll is done
17:07:01 <mjturek> very cool
17:07:04 <JayF> jroll: What's the reason they have to be in a repo separate from in-tree? I thought we already had some tempest stuff in-tree?
17:07:34 <jroll> JayF: manageability, ease of use by people testing clouds
17:07:39 <jroll> lemme find a writeup about it
17:08:06 <JayF> the other question is will the ironic-tempest-plugin be under ironic or qa governance
17:08:07 <jroll> this kind of explains it
17:08:09 <jroll> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369749/2/goals/ocata/split-tempest-plugins.rst
17:08:26 <jroll> also, mgould's notes on the summit have some nice words about it too
17:08:29 <jroll> ironic governance
17:08:38 <JayF> cool, ty
17:08:38 <mgould> o/
17:08:45 <JayF> speaking of mgould, lol
17:08:50 <jroll> as to what's in-tree, that's exactly what will be in the new repo
17:08:52 <jroll> just a forklift
17:09:17 * rajinir joins late
17:09:25 * jroll notes this also lets testers pip install the tempest plugin
17:10:13 <krtaylor> very cool, thanks jroll
17:10:19 <krtaylor> anything else?
17:10:19 <jroll> np
17:10:21 <mgould> my notes from the summit: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/106642.html
17:10:59 <krtaylor> thanks mgould
17:11:11 <krtaylor> #link  http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/106642.html
17:11:52 <krtaylor> any other announcements?
17:12:06 <krtaylor> #topic 3rd party CI
17:12:21 <krtaylor> so, the CI docs outline merged
17:12:24 <krtaylor> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353102
17:12:39 <krtaylor> so anyone that wants to write a section, have at it
17:12:55 <rajinir> ++
17:12:56 <krtaylor> mjturek and I will be also
17:12:58 <jroll> ++
17:13:12 <mjturek> krtaylor: right, will do
17:13:21 <krtaylor> let me know if you want to write a section so that we don't overlap
17:14:00 <krtaylor> that's all I had, anything else on CI?
17:14:28 <krtaylor> #topic Open Discussion
17:15:02 <krtaylor> I'd like to propose that we mere this meeting back into the main Monday ironic meeting
17:15:09 <rajinir> Time?
17:15:20 <rajinir> merge?
17:15:21 <krtaylor> I was hoping that jlvill-travel would be here so we could discuss
17:15:26 <krtaylor> merge, yes sorry
17:15:31 <jroll> krtaylor: I'd be okay with that
17:15:46 <jroll> most of the people working on qa/ci things aren't usually here
17:16:04 <jroll> (including myself, I sometimes skip this one)
17:16:12 <krtaylor> I think there was a strong need with the Newton focus, but I think there is fewer items that we could cover in Monday
17:16:30 <rajinir> what's the time for the monday meeting
17:16:37 <krtaylor> we all would like one fewer meeting  :)
17:16:49 <jroll> rajinir: same time, #openstack-meeting-3
17:16:56 <rajinir> ok, sounds good
17:17:01 <jroll> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic
17:17:02 <krtaylor> 1700UTC
17:17:29 <jroll> krtaylor: I'll throw it on monday's agenda so hopefully some other folks can chime in
17:17:31 <rajinir> thanks
17:17:38 <jroll> krtaylor: you imagine the subteam reports will cover it?
17:17:45 <krtaylor> jroll, perfect
17:17:51 <krtaylor> yes, I think that would remain
17:17:59 <jroll> ++
17:18:40 * jroll did the thing https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic
17:19:00 <krtaylor> so I guess this might be our last wed meeting, let's see what everyone thinks on Monday, I'll put mention of this proposal in the ironic-qa wiki page also
17:19:33 <mgould> monday works for me, FWIW
17:19:45 <rajinir> me too
17:19:54 <krtaylor> excellent
17:20:07 <krtaylor> thats all I had, anyone have any other open discussion topics?
17:20:08 <sambetts> sounds like a good idea to me
17:20:23 * jroll has nothing
17:20:31 <jroll> unless you want to talk about lunch options
17:21:32 <krtaylor> anyone?
17:21:45 <krtaylor> ok, well let's wrap this up then
17:21:53 <krtaylor> thanks everyone!
17:22:12 <mgould> o/
17:22:19 <krtaylor> #endmeeting