15:00:06 <TheJulia> #startmeeting ironic
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15:00:09 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'ironic'
15:00:09 <iurygregory> o/
15:00:12 <TheJulia> #chair dtantsur
15:00:12 <dtantsur> o/
15:00:12 <openstack> Current chairs: TheJulia dtantsur
15:00:16 <rpioso> \o
15:00:16 <bdodd> o/
15:00:21 <uzumaki> oh, the meeting. yayyy \o/
15:00:27 <ajya> o/
15:00:36 <TheJulia> and they walked up
15:00:48 <dtantsur> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic is our agenda
15:01:02 <kaifeng> o/
15:01:16 <dtantsur> #topic Announcements / Reminder
15:01:24 <rloo> o/
15:01:31 <uzumaki> dtantsur, we are ironic and ironic is us
15:01:34 <dtantsur> #info The main news: we have done our first batch of releases according to the new model
15:01:47 <arne_wiebalck> o/
15:01:59 <dtantsur> The bugfix/X.Y branches have been created, but the devstack jobs need some care on them
15:02:08 <dtantsur> (bifrost seems to work normally, good job bifrost!)
15:02:22 <iurygregory> we probably need to pin on the zuul config...
15:02:43 <iurygregory> for the jobs we have the bugfix branches
15:03:02 <dtantsur> set some overrides, I guess
15:03:11 <mgoddard> \o
15:03:19 <dtantsur> #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/opendev-hardware-automation-registration-104569991660 OpenDev: Hardware Automation
15:03:19 <iurygregory> dtantsur, exactly
15:03:36 <dtantsur> this ^^ event is coming up next week. I'm not sure if there is a schedule already.
15:03:45 <dtantsur> ah
15:03:50 <dtantsur> #link https://www.openstack.org/events/opendev-2020/opendev-schedule-2 The schedule
15:04:30 <uzumaki> who's arranging/presenting this? dtantsur
15:04:54 <dtantsur> uzumaki: this is a Foundation event, it's not really about presentations, more about discussions
15:05:16 <TheJulia> uzumaki: it is more like a forum discussion
15:05:19 <dtantsur> so not one person talking, but rather one moderator, a few experts and a bunch of random people who care
15:05:22 <uzumaki> oh! I see, must be cool, I might attend this one!
15:05:36 <dtantsur> uzumaki: I highly recommend, if it plays nicely with your timezone
15:05:45 <uzumaki> bunch of random people who care? THAT'S ME!
15:05:45 <TheJulia> so some central topics/questions and the hope is discussion results
15:05:47 <rpioso> Sounds interesting. Has it been in the works for a while?
15:06:09 <dtantsur> rpioso: it has, yes. we've already had one such opendev event centered around large-scale deployments
15:06:30 <dtantsur> TheJulia: you back and with stashes full of yummies?
15:07:11 <TheJulia> dtantsur: putting stuff away now
15:07:20 <dtantsur> anything else to announce or remind us of? (except for staying safe, washing hands and wearing masks?)
15:07:53 <TheJulia> Just for everyone to please take a little time to review this week. If we need to do ad-hoc review jams, I'm happy to host
15:08:24 <uzumaki> did someone say jams?
15:08:32 <dtantsur> :D
15:08:50 <dtantsur> it's a good idea, actually
15:08:58 <iurygregory> sounds good to me
15:08:58 <uzumaki> as long as there's jam
15:09:17 <dtantsur> let's get back to it in open discussions
15:09:20 <dtantsur> #topic Review subteam status reports (capped at ten minutes)
15:09:35 <dtantsur> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard starting around like 299
15:09:53 <dtantsur> Thanks everyone who participated in the bug triaging, great progress!
15:10:16 <dtantsur> I think as the next step we should clean up the RFE list a bit. Maybe propose some of RFE Review on the upcoming meetings.
15:12:09 <TheJulia> okay all done with putting things away
15:12:16 <uzumaki> 248? that's a lot of RFEs :O
15:12:18 <TheJulia> dtantsur: ++
15:12:28 * dtantsur throws TheJulia the remote control
15:12:32 <TheJulia> Heh
15:12:47 <dtantsur> uzumaki: exactly, there is no way we're going to finish all of them. and we probably shouldn't.
15:12:54 <TheJulia> We don't retire RFEs really because they are all valid ideas, but often we get 2-3 of them per major thing
15:12:57 <uzumaki> it's just too much =O
15:13:03 <TheJulia> or things get resolved as bug fixes and we don't realize it
15:13:09 <dtantsur> happens ^^^
15:13:18 <dtantsur> I've closed a bunch of duplicate RFEs already
15:13:35 <TheJulia> Yup, anyway!
15:13:38 <uzumaki> can I help?
15:14:12 <dtantsur> uzumaki: it may be a bit non-trivial without a lot of context. starting with bug triaging may be easier.
15:14:30 <uzumaki> okay!
15:14:32 <dtantsur> uzumaki: we've got some words written about it: https://docs.openstack.org/ironic/latest/contributor/bugs.html#triaging-guide
15:14:37 <uzumaki> tell me where to shoot
15:14:47 <uzumaki> got it
15:14:55 <TheJulia> uzumaki: but! if you want to ask questions in channel as related to RFEs, we may be able to provide additional context if you don't know off the top of your head. The thing is, it will go slow that way
15:15:14 <TheJulia> iurygregory: hey, is ngs + zuulv3 + grenade still problematic?
15:15:23 <iurygregory> TheJulia, totally =(
15:15:39 <iurygregory> I think people are afraid of grenade hehe XD
15:16:00 <TheJulia> iurygregory: should we just establish a time for a few people to jump on a call and try to work through it
15:16:09 <TheJulia> and yes, grenade has been the source of great sorrow
15:16:12 <uzumaki> TheJulia, I realize that, that's why I was hesitant in asking.. I'll start with bug triage for a few days, let's see where that takes me
15:16:21 <iurygregory> TheJulia, sounds good, I can put up a doodle and send on openstack-discuss?
15:16:22 <TheJulia> uzumaki: awesome :)
15:16:36 <uzumaki> TheJulia, grenades are known to be that way "sources of pain"
15:16:44 <TheJulia> heh
15:16:46 <TheJulia> indeed
15:16:50 <dtantsur> not untrue
15:17:09 <TheJulia> arne_wiebalck: re scale is the only thing your aware of just memory consumption right now on the conductors?
15:17:32 <arne_wiebalck> TheJulia: yes
15:17:36 <TheJulia> I guess standalone auth for bifrost is "Coming Soon"
15:17:45 <TheJulia> arne_wiebalck: mind if I update the item to note that?
15:17:57 <arne_wiebalck> TheJulia: ofc not :)
15:18:54 * uzumaki wonders why dtantsur always uses the fancy double negatives to make a point xD
15:19:14 <dtantsur> uzumaki: double negations are normal in Russian, using them in English adds some spice
15:19:35 <uzumaki> dtantsur, if from spice you mean getting people to read it twice, yes, it does the trick
15:19:45 <dtantsur> I mean precisely that, yes :)
15:19:54 <uzumaki> xD
15:20:12 * iurygregory also uses double negatives =X
15:20:30 * TheJulia unfortunately is not in the habit of double negatives
15:20:35 <TheJulia> Ramdisk TLS unchanged?
15:21:11 <TheJulia> iurygregory: could you add links to the update as you propose the changes to simplify and reduce job load?
15:21:18 * uzumaki remembers the Martin Luther speech when he says "I'm not unmindful.." that's a really spicy double negative
15:21:44 <TheJulia> Any update on compatability profiles?
15:21:47 <iurygregory> TheJulia, sure
15:21:58 <dtantsur> TheJulia: ramdisk TLS unchanged
15:22:18 <dtantsur> got distracted with the power off + agent token issue
15:23:02 <TheJulia> I saw that was still a WIP which is why I didn't add that to the items to review this week
15:23:52 <TheJulia> I guess I'm good to proceed, just curious if there is an update for redfish compatability profiles since the current update is undated.
15:23:57 <TheJulia> arne_wiebalck, rpioso ^^^
15:23:58 <dtantsur> I hope to finish it today-tomorrow
15:24:03 <TheJulia> dtantsur: ack
15:24:17 <iurygregory> TheJulia, added to the weekly priorities
15:24:31 <TheJulia> iurygregory: beyond what is already proposed?
15:24:50 <TheJulia> Are we good to proceed for priorities for the week?
15:24:54 <arne_wiebalck> TheJulia: re redfish, no, I did not get round to work on this yet
15:25:35 <iurygregory> I added to both status and the WP
15:26:28 <TheJulia> onward to priorities!
15:26:34 <TheJulia> #topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week
15:27:08 <TheJulia> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard
15:27:11 <TheJulia> Starting at line 129
15:27:17 <rpioso> arne_wiebalck, TheJulia: We're continuing to work on the Redfish Interoperability profile for sushy. Reviewed the progress with the team late last week. Initially focusing on the ServiceRoot and ComputerSystem resources. Once those are satisfactory-ish, we would like to demo. ETA ~1 week.
15:27:19 * TheJulia removes merged items
15:27:51 * rpioso will update the white board to reflect ^^^
15:27:58 <TheJulia> rpioso: thanks
15:28:04 <rpioso> TheJulia: :-)
15:29:16 <TheJulia> So I have a huge list of proposed items stariting at line  197
15:29:23 <TheJulia> any questions/concerns/items missing?
15:30:40 <uzumaki> so many CI failures X(
15:30:56 <arne_wiebalck> TheJulia: For the RAM patch, did you manage to test this with a real node?
15:31:33 <arne_wiebalck> TheJulia: The code looks good to, I would just like to see what happens IRL :)
15:33:16 <TheJulia> arne_wiebalck: I haven't had time to
15:33:51 <TheJulia> I'm fairly sure on the result that I've noted being the case though, but yeah, would be good to get it loaded up and run the machine out of ram
15:35:01 <TheJulia> Is everyone good with the list?
15:35:13 <iurygregory> I'm
15:35:16 * TheJulia starts brewing coffee for everyone
15:35:38 <dtantsur> the list looks good to me
15:36:29 <TheJulia> a lot of stuff is just CI failures or are almost there, so a recheck or quick review may be all that is needed on some of the patches
15:36:42 <TheJulia> Anyway! Shall we move on?
15:37:01 <dtantsur> ++
15:37:04 <TheJulia> We don't seem to have any discussion topics, so I guess we would jump directly to the Baremetal SIG
15:37:09 <TheJulia> #topic Baremetal SIG
15:37:23 <TheJulia> arne_wiebalck: Anything to discuss or to let people know about?
15:37:50 <arne_wiebalck> TheJulia: no
15:37:54 <TheJulia> okay then!
15:38:00 <TheJulia> Onward to RFE Review!
15:38:10 <TheJulia> #topic RFE Review
15:38:29 <TheJulia> dtantsur wanted us to quickly revisit his RFE from our last meeting
15:38:36 <dtantsur> #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/1618014
15:38:47 <dtantsur> I've updated it with a somewhat nicer format and more words
15:39:28 <TheJulia> Sounds good to me
15:39:43 <TheJulia> Well, reads is more appropriate
15:39:56 <TheJulia> Does anyone have any questions regarding this item?
15:40:50 * TheJulia gets out the automated crickets
15:41:08 <iurygregory> none on my side
15:42:17 <TheJulia> dtantsur: I think lazy consensus grants you rfe-approved
15:42:22 <dtantsur> \o/
15:42:27 <openstackgerrit> Aija Jaunteva proposed openstack/ironic-specs master: [RFE] Operationally efficient and fast-track bare metal hardware provisioning  https://review.opendev.org/740721
15:42:46 <dtantsur> btw, this work item is not too complex, so if anybody wants to take it to practice - be my guest
15:42:53 <TheJulia> dtantsur: feel free to add rfe-approved to the item
15:42:55 <rloo> seems like it'd be better to have one or two people indicating that they approve. can i suggest julia and iurygregory?
15:43:24 <iurygregory> I will add
15:43:34 <rloo> thx iurygregory!
15:43:47 <TheJulia> iurygregory: thanks
15:43:54 <TheJulia> Well then, onward to open discussion!
15:44:07 <TheJulia> #topic Open Discussion
15:44:32 <TheJulia> Does anyone have anything to bring up/discuss?
15:44:35 <iurygregory> yay it worked \o/
15:44:44 <kaifeng> wrt the steps override, could we have this on the driver fields?
15:45:34 <kaifeng> configuration options not always handy
15:46:12 <TheJulia> kaifeng: I feel like that is likely a logical next step
15:46:13 <rpioso> TheJulia: We have updated the RFE https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2003594.
15:46:43 <TheJulia> I see.
15:46:52 <rpioso> TheJulia: A spec has been posted for review: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/740721/
15:46:53 <patchbot> patch 740721 - ironic-specs - [RFE] Operationally efficient and fast-track bare ... - 1 patch set
15:48:12 <TheJulia> rpioso: We saw, that I think is going to require some time to digest since it seems to be mixing terms from other areas under a generic umbrella, so we may need to wrap our heads around what is each specific area it touches upon
15:48:50 <dtantsur> yep, the very first request: formulate everything in driver-specific terms
15:49:00 <dtantsur> I initially assumed you were about to rewrite half of ironic :)
15:49:03 <rpioso> TheJulia: I think you'll find it doesn't touch much and is optional :-)
15:49:39 <rpioso> TheJulia: LOL. We don't have that much ambition ;-)
15:49:45 <TheJulia> rpioso: I mean in terms of word selection to describe the feature. I had the same reaction as dtantsur and that is going to take some time to grok
15:50:15 <TheJulia> I think the old feature name was rather succinct, personally
15:51:02 <TheJulia> I feel like we should add the spec to the list of items to review
15:51:05 <TheJulia> Any objections?
15:51:27 <rpioso> TheJulia: We feel it was too vendor specific. The change makes it available to other drivers and addresses a couple of operator pain points.
15:52:20 <TheJulia> rpioso: It would be good for more vendors to have similar behavior. Anyway, as I noted, it is going to take a little time to digest
15:53:13 <rpioso> TheJulia: And they will be able to if they'd like. It's generic. Implementation of the low-level interactions are vendor-specific.
15:53:24 <TheJulia> rpioso: indeed
15:54:56 <rpioso> TheJulia: We've focused on the parts that we believe are of most general interest. Few words are spent on iDRAC-specific stuffs. We're trying to be considerate of the reviewers' time.
15:55:38 <TheJulia> rpioso: I'm a little worried that it will have the reverse effect. Anyway, since I didn't have any objections I'll add it to the list
15:56:03 <TheJulia> Anyone else have anything to bring up before we wrap up the meeting?
15:56:05 <rpioso> TheJulia: Thank you so much!
15:57:44 * TheJulia hears the autocricket 4000 make cricketing sounds
15:58:13 <rloo> CRICKKKKKKet
15:58:19 <TheJulia> Thanks everyone!
15:58:21 <TheJulia> rloo: ++
15:58:33 <rloo> :D
15:58:43 <TheJulia> #endmeeting