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15:00:20 <TheJulia> o/
15:00:22 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'ironic'
15:00:24 <TheJulia> Good morning everyone!
15:00:27 <rpittau> o/
15:00:28 <iurygregory> o/
15:00:30 <dtantsur> o/
15:00:33 <erbarr> o/
15:00:36 <kaifeng> o/
15:00:39 <cdearborn> o/
15:00:40 <rpioso> \o
15:00:44 <arne_wiebalck> o/
15:00:45 <rajinir> o/
15:01:02 <rloo> o/
15:01:10 <TheJulia> I hope everyone had a wonderful weekend!
15:01:30 <TheJulia> Our agenda can be found on the wiki as always.
15:01:32 <TheJulia> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting
15:01:47 <TheJulia> #topic Announcements / Reminders
15:02:15 <TheJulia> #info Ironic 15.0 was released this past week \o/. This was the version for our Ussuri release.
15:02:19 * dtantsur raises a glass for Ussuri
15:02:21 <TheJulia> Thank you everyone who contributed and helped make that happen
15:02:36 <iurygregory> \o/
15:02:54 <rloo> congrats and thanks!!!
15:02:54 <TheJulia> Additionally, last week there was a note about the discussion to determine next steps for releasing ironic
15:03:14 <TheJulia> dtantsur: I believe, if memory serves the agreement was for that to be a spec?
15:03:41 <dtantsur> yes, and I'm still committed to writing it
15:03:50 <TheJulia> k
15:04:07 <dtantsur> got distracted by the fishy issues
15:04:10 <TheJulia> #info Last week's discussion on next steps for ironic release management will move to a spec document.
15:04:13 <TheJulia> Sorry about those fishy issues.
15:04:21 <dtantsur> definitely not your fault :)
15:04:30 <TheJulia> Anyway, does anyone have anything else they would like to announce or remind us of?
15:04:43 <iurygregory> we should figure out the slots for the PTG
15:04:45 <iurygregory> =)
15:05:08 <TheJulia> Ahh yes, I did put that in the discussion area
15:05:14 <TheJulia> iurygregory: You have poll and result data yes?
15:05:17 <iurygregory> oh ok =)
15:05:22 <iurygregory> TheJulia, yes
15:05:28 <TheJulia> excellent
15:05:33 <iurygregory> but we only have 12 participants
15:05:37 <iurygregory> had*
15:05:42 <TheJulia> Perhaps I should mention the fishy issues.
15:06:00 <dtantsur> 12 people is a nice small party
15:06:12 <dtantsur> TheJulia: at least link to your ML post?
15:06:16 <TheJulia> indeed!
15:06:40 <TheJulia> For those interested, I emailed the mailing list on redfish driver issues, assumptions, and breaking to us changes.
15:06:43 <TheJulia> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-April/014543.html
15:07:26 <dtantsur> I've proposed a workaround in two parts: https://review.opendev.org/725239 and https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2007610
15:07:27 <patchbot> patch 725239 - ironic - [PoC] redfish: handle hardware that is unable to s... - 3 patch sets
15:07:35 <TheJulia> Thanks dtantsur
15:07:41 <dtantsur> np, feedback welcome
15:07:45 <TheJulia> Does anyone have anything else to announce or remind us of?
15:07:59 <TheJulia> Oh! Victoria PTG!
15:08:02 <TheJulia> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/Ironic-VictoriaPTG-Planning
15:08:02 <iurygregory> I don't =)
15:08:15 <rpioso> Will redfish be declared experimental?
15:08:21 <TheJulia> Etherpad document for items/thoughts/ideas. Please try to spend a few minutes in the next day or two putting a couple thoughts
15:08:49 <dtantsur> rpioso: *shrug* give the severity of the problem, I'd vote for that. But I won't be surprised to be in minority.
15:09:07 <TheJulia> rpioso: I'm not sure, we likely need to weigh it against the push that exists out there for OEMs to disable raw setting capability on IPMI. Which is also... problematic and breaking in some ways
15:09:20 <dtantsur> we cannot build a solid building on a shaking ground
15:09:26 <dtantsur> even if shaking for a good reason
15:09:47 <TheJulia> You know, we have earthquake code here :)
15:09:56 <TheJulia> But I agree
15:10:06 <TheJulia> Anyway, we should move on it seems
15:10:09 <dtantsur> ++
15:10:29 <TheJulia> Looks like we had no action items last week
15:10:51 <TheJulia> #topic Review subteam status reports
15:10:57 <TheJulia> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard
15:11:29 <TheJulia> Lets keep in mind, new cycle, so we should likely update items and remove old/out of date data
15:11:55 <rpittau> we can probably remove the python 3 mirgation part
15:12:04 <rpittau> s/mirgation/migration
15:12:15 <TheJulia> arne_wiebalck: I believe you tweeted some graphs and mention of performance impact for moving to conductor groups
15:12:24 <arne_wiebalck> TheJulia: yes
15:12:39 <arne_wiebalck> TheJulia: we will prepare a blog post
15:12:45 <TheJulia> removing retirement
15:13:01 <arne_wiebalck> ++
15:13:11 <dking> I'm having some trouble deploying with Bifrost using a VLAN: http://paste.openstack.org/show/793066/
15:13:31 <TheJulia> dking: we're in the middle of our weekly meeting, we'll have to circle back to that after our meeting
15:13:32 <dtantsur> dking: we have a meeting now, could it maybe wait till it ends?
15:13:45 <dking> Oh, sure. Sorry about that.
15:13:51 <TheJulia> Removing multitenancy
15:13:51 <dking> In about another hour?
15:13:56 <TheJulia> dking: yes
15:14:45 <dtantsur> Well, the deployment API somewhat falls under multi-tenancy.. but we can handle it separately
15:14:46 <TheJulia> arne_wiebalck: would it make sense to try and have another doc review meeting on the baremetal whitepaper say... next week?
15:15:00 <TheJulia> dtantsur: separate is better imho
15:15:04 <arne_wiebalck> TheJulia: yes, I will prepare a doodle
15:15:05 <dtantsur> k
15:15:15 <dtantsur> re whitepaper: I hope to see SuperCloud addition this week
15:15:27 <dtantsur> we've been working on a draft with Jakob
15:15:39 <TheJulia> <3
15:15:52 <arne_wiebalck> StackHPC also wanted to look into contributing.
15:16:29 <TheJulia> Yes, Stig emailed me ?last? week, but it was a blur and email fell by the wayside for me last week
15:16:40 <TheJulia> I do like the deploy steps note :)
15:16:46 <TheJulia> victory in Victoria
15:16:58 <TheJulia> I feel like this should be our motto this cycle? objections?
15:17:56 <TheJulia> For software raid, do we consider that wrapped up?
15:18:07 <dtantsur> no objections :)
15:18:29 <arne_wiebalck> modulo some cleanup we planned
15:19:14 <TheJulia> so maybe we notes some cleanup but overall as done?
15:19:22 <arne_wiebalck> ++
15:19:27 <dtantsur> yeah
15:19:57 <TheJulia> I think Derek has a v6 CI job, I need to review that this week
15:20:04 <TheJulia> We should put that on the list of things to review this week!
15:20:36 <dtantsur> +100
15:20:44 <rpittau> it actually looks good, I had a quick look, definitely need to review it this week
15:21:17 * TheJulia adds a todo note
15:21:26 <TheJulia> Now... grenade
15:21:38 * rpittau ducks
15:21:53 <TheJulia> iurygregory: any chance you can condense the notes, I'm just not sure what is important
15:22:08 <iurygregory> TheJulia, sure
15:22:30 <TheJulia> re the noted ci improvement and moving to dib based jobs, it looks like we're still in the process of reviewing those
15:23:50 <dtantsur> seems so
15:24:03 <dtantsur> and there are many more CI improvements to make IIRC
15:24:13 <TheJulia> there are always
15:24:18 <rpittau> TheJulia: the ironic-inspector one is blocked by grenade at the moment
15:24:26 <iurygregory> done
15:25:38 <TheJulia> Are there any new subteam efforts to add to the list at this time?
15:25:57 <dtantsur> at some point we need to start migrating bifrost to the new collections
15:26:15 <dtantsur> maybe note it somewhere, so that we don't forget (like with python 3)
15:26:17 * iurygregory can work in that
15:26:22 <dtantsur> iurygregory++
15:26:34 <dtantsur> talk to us on #openstack-ansible-sig if you need help
15:26:50 * iurygregory wow there is a channel for a sig
15:26:51 <TheJulia> Have we successfuly mostly resolved the standalone job failures to everyone
15:26:56 * iurygregory :O
15:27:06 <dtantsur> iurygregory: why not? :)
15:27:09 <TheJulia> 's present satisfaction?
15:27:23 <dtantsur> let's put it this way: I don't think the standalone job fails more often than other jobs
15:27:24 <iurygregory> we are just missing merge the job to cover the split of standalone =)
15:27:32 <dtantsur> which is far from satisfaction, unfortunately
15:27:33 <TheJulia> heh
15:27:59 <TheJulia> I'm going to remove it from the known issues list since I think we sorted most of those race conditions we were hitting
15:28:08 <TheJulia> the one huge one with netruon... yeah
15:28:22 <iurygregory> neutron </3
15:28:38 <dtantsur> mmm, the events work? where have we left it?
15:28:58 <TheJulia> dtantsur: they are posted to our API, but we don't do anything with them or even store them as a thing afaik
15:29:12 <dtantsur> oh, so the events are coming already? was it implemented in neutron itself?
15:29:18 <TheJulia> I believe so yes
15:29:31 <dtantsur> can we put that on the priority list and find volunteers?
15:29:38 <TheJulia> ++
15:29:42 <dtantsur> our side must be much less problematic
15:30:00 <TheJulia> no, more, which is why forward progress stopped :(
15:30:28 <TheJulia> added under replacing wsme
15:30:39 <dtantsur> anyway, we can and should pick it up
15:30:51 * dtantsur looks around for volunteers
15:31:21 <TheJulia> Well, I'm good to move on to priorities for the week! Everyone else?
15:31:30 <iurygregory> ++
15:31:30 <dtantsur> ++
15:32:11 <TheJulia> Okay, onward then!
15:32:26 <TheJulia> #topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week
15:32:28 <openstackgerrit> Merged openstack/ironic master: Switch to unittest mock  https://review.opendev.org/717979
15:32:31 <TheJulia> I think one priority is PTG topics!
15:32:51 <iurygregory> ++
15:33:02 * dtantsur has proposed two topics already
15:33:07 <TheJulia> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard
15:33:16 <TheJulia> Starting at line 108
15:33:20 * TheJulia cleans up stuff from last week
15:33:56 <dtantsur> does anyone want to shepherd the network_data patches while Ilya is out?
15:34:26 <TheJulia> (basically play the role of friendly neighborhood rebaser)
15:34:33 <iurygregory> TheJulia, me
15:34:36 * kaifeng can take a look into the neutron events stuff
15:34:45 <dtantsur> iurygregory++ kaifeng++
15:34:49 <dtantsur> many thanks!
15:34:54 <iurygregory> I will take care of his patches to make sure they are updatodate
15:34:59 * dtantsur needs to dive into deploy steps again
15:35:03 * iurygregory enr space didn't work
15:36:20 <TheJulia> so a fairly light list, is there anything in active review that is not on the list that people need eyes on?
15:36:26 <kaifeng> I wonder when the neutron side has implemented the notification, my last memory on this was it was stuck for a while and we only have a minimum api entry.
15:36:26 <rpittau> dtantsur re neutron events: (I'm super delayed for connection issues) I can have a look at that, if noone else volunteered already
15:36:42 <dtantsur> rpittau: kaifeng wanted, but I believe there is enough work for two there
15:37:09 <dtantsur> checking the neutron side is action item #1
15:37:43 * rpittau reading irc messages after minutes :(
15:38:02 <kaifeng> yeah, will do
15:39:19 <kaifeng> can we move L363 into L276 so we will have handy links there?
15:39:19 <dtantsur> TheJulia: do you want to add your V priorities spec?
15:39:35 <TheJulia> Yeah, I think that would be good
15:39:46 <dtantsur> kaifeng: +1
15:40:51 <rpittau> kaifeng, dtantsur: I had a look at that when refactoring the ironic notifiers in neutron, I'll be glad to help
15:40:59 <TheJulia> dtantsur: added with additional context
15:41:27 <kaifeng> rpittau would be good to have you onboard :)
15:41:48 <TheJulia> Anything else to add to the list? Is everyone happy with the list? I guess we can add more items to it as they come up over the next week
15:42:16 <dtantsur> looks okay
15:42:18 <rpittau> kaifeng: thanks, count me in :)
15:43:35 <TheJulia> okay, then onward to discussion!
15:43:41 <openstackgerrit> Merged openstack/tenks master: Drop CentOS 7 jobs  https://review.opendev.org/725243
15:43:44 <TheJulia> #topic Discussion
15:44:08 <TheJulia> Two items, one is the PTG slots. We need to sign up for some
15:44:32 <TheJulia> iurygregory: do you have the results available from the participation doodle?
15:44:38 <iurygregory> re-doodle http://paste.openstack.org/show/793067/
15:44:47 <iurygregory> this was top3/4 in all days
15:44:54 <iurygregory> from the 12 participants
15:45:04 <iurygregory> mostly had 10 or 11 votes
15:45:16 <iurygregory> https://doodle.com/poll/mbpr2x7z3t5hqec6
15:45:35 <iurygregory> ok seems now we have 13 participants hehehe
15:45:54 <dtantsur> there are several slots when everyone can attend
15:46:03 <dtantsur> we need to make sure to include these
15:46:05 <rpittau> yep
15:46:17 <TheJulia> I wonder if we can do we should try to do something like Thursday/Friday or Tuesday/Friday?
15:46:20 <iurygregory> yep some with 12(13 now)
15:46:47 <dtantsur> Tue doesn't work for iurygregory
15:46:54 <iurygregory> makes sense to me, just wondering if we are going to have cross-project sessions
15:47:06 <rpittau> it seems we have 12/13 only wed-thu-fri
15:47:17 <iurygregory> dtantsur, LOL I forgot Tue for some reason
15:47:22 <dtantsur> LOL
15:47:26 <dtantsur> could you re-vote then?
15:47:35 <dtantsur> i.e. update your vote?
15:47:50 <iurygregory> yes
15:48:10 <dtantsur> I'd have more days rather than more hours per day
15:48:14 <rloo> my guess is that these time slots may work well with other projects too. at least we aren't restricted by the number of rooms available :)
15:48:17 <TheJulia> dtantsur: ++
15:48:22 <iurygregory> done
15:48:30 <TheJulia> Lets do an hour on monday, and do a couple more small windows through the week?
15:48:39 <iurygregory> for me any day is possible even in non working hours
15:48:45 <dtantsur> i.e. for me 4 small slots on Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri is better than 2 big slots Thu+Fri
15:48:58 <iurygregory> ++ for small slots
15:49:00 <TheJulia> If we end up with say a total of 8 hours, I tink that would be fairly good plus give us flexibility to engage in other discussions
15:49:11 <rpittau> can we not do monday? And I agree with dtantsur
15:49:14 <iurygregory> so people who need to participate in other projects won't have problems
15:49:22 <dtantsur> I'd do Tue-Fri 2 hours each
15:49:33 <dtantsur> yeah, I think I'll have a conflict on Thu with the Ansible SIG
15:49:38 <dtantsur> but not sure
15:49:57 <dtantsur> sshnaidm: when is the ansible collections slot at the PTG?
15:50:22 <rpittau> dtantsur: is that the automation sig ?
15:50:24 <TheJulia> I don't see anything reserved by the edge wg
15:50:50 <dtantsur> rpittau: no, do you have the ethercalc link handy?
15:50:57 <TheJulia> https://ethercalc.openstack.org/126u8ek25noy ?
15:50:58 <rpittau> https://ethercalc.openstack.org/126u8ek25noy
15:51:05 <rpittau> that :)
15:51:07 <sshnaidm> dtantsur, 15:00 - 17:00 UTC in Thursday in Room14 Newton, and 1 hour for APAC/EU 7.00-8.00 UTC in Friday in Room14 Newton
15:51:10 <sshnaidm> https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/openstack-ansible-modules-ptg
15:51:24 <dtantsur> thanks sshnaidm
15:51:44 <rpittau> oh ok it's missing from the ethercalc
15:52:16 <dtantsur> it's OAM I guess
15:52:31 <rpittau> right...
15:53:36 <TheJulia> So... we could do 14:00-16:00 wednesday/thursday/friday, say in icehouse?
15:53:49 <iurygregory> things will be cold =)
15:53:55 <dtantsur> TheJulia: and Tue as well?
15:53:57 <TheJulia> Yes, but it is a nice reference
15:54:02 <TheJulia> Tuesday, we could do later
15:54:07 <rpittau> UTC ?
15:54:16 <TheJulia> or in antoher room
15:54:37 <dtantsur> not too much later if possible
15:54:42 <dtantsur> I guess the room doesn't really matter?
15:54:53 * dtantsur assumes UTC
15:54:55 <TheJulia> no, but the same one would be nice
15:54:59 <TheJulia> yes, all in UTC
15:55:03 <rpittau> 15-17 on tue ?
15:55:06 <TheJulia> so, looks like queen is unspoken for
15:55:10 <TheJulia> queens
15:55:59 <dtantsur> right
15:56:12 <rloo> ++ same room. something in 14-17 UTC is good, overlaps with eg neutron and nova, in case we want to talk to them
15:56:16 <dtantsur> stein empty as well
15:56:22 <iurygregory> ++
15:56:23 <TheJulia> so 14-16 ?
15:56:33 <dtantsur> wfm
15:56:36 <TheJulia> wow, 4 mintues left
15:56:45 <rpittau> ++
15:56:58 <rloo> i think icehouse was the first ironic release or something?
15:57:22 <TheJulia> yes, it was
15:58:01 <rloo> (and if i recall, it was hot there!)
15:58:01 <TheJulia> With regards to sig/wg overlap, I suspect we're going to need to create a master schedule of ironic topics
15:58:28 <iurygregory> yeah
15:58:45 <TheJulia> can everyone do outreach and begin to build a time schedule into our victoria ptg planning etherpad?
15:59:14 <TheJulia> and by outreach, I mean if you are close to say the edge sig, try and sort out topics and when/etc
15:59:15 <iurygregory> If you want I can send the email with the timeslots we will use
15:59:23 <TheJulia> iurygregory: please
15:59:32 <TheJulia> So, are we good to move on?
15:59:54 <iurygregory> 14 till 16 Queens correct? =)
15:59:55 <rpittau> seems so
16:00:01 <TheJulia> iurygregory: yes
16:00:26 <TheJulia> So the other topic is the proposed priorities for Victoria. I have an idea that perhaps we should re-think the cycle planning model in general
16:00:46 <TheJulia> I would love discussion on that topic, but if it is relegated to the change set that works as well I guess
16:00:58 <TheJulia> My hope was mroe that we better enable ourselves to kind of focus on lining things up
16:01:33 <TheJulia> and mainly I mean by like We focus on x, y, z api changes in that order so we're able to line up work together. I'm just using API as an example because that is a case where it does help a lot
16:01:56 <TheJulia> And while I toss that out there, is there anyone else with anything to raise this week before we try and end the meeting a little late?
16:02:01 <dtantsur> this, unfortunately, will hit the contributor priorities issue (again)
16:02:52 <rpittau> I just wanted to say that stable/queens CI is broken at the moment
16:03:10 <dtantsur> \o/
16:03:39 <rpittau> on a positive note, we have a tinycore 11.x based tinyipa image built on focal :)
16:04:07 <iurygregory> awesome!
16:04:08 <dtantsur> nice
16:04:56 <TheJulia> dtantsur: Well, I'm thinking if we try to rebalance or evaluate weekly, then contributor wants/needs could still move
16:05:10 <TheJulia> Maybe it all comes down to being more proactive about stacking/ordering
16:05:17 <openstackgerrit> Verification of a change to openstack/tenks failed: Py2 - Remove six, mock and future  https://review.opendev.org/698922
16:05:23 <TheJulia> instead of taking a... when the stars align merge approach
16:05:46 <TheJulia> I don't know
16:06:08 <TheJulia> Anyway, we're past time. Thanks everyone!
16:06:17 <rpittau> thank you!
16:06:31 <iurygregory> email sent
16:06:34 <TheJulia> iurygregory: thanks!
16:06:39 <TheJulia> Have a wonderful week everyone!
16:06:42 <TheJulia> #endmeeting