15:00:16 <TheJulia> #startmeeting ironic
15:00:20 <TheJulia> o/
15:00:22 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Aug 27 15:00:16 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is TheJulia. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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15:00:26 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'ironic'
15:00:33 <etingof> o/
15:00:35 <cdearborn> \o
15:00:35 <TheJulia> Greetings everyone from UTC-7
15:00:37 <dtantsur> o/
15:00:41 <kaifeng> o/
15:00:43 <hshiina> o/
15:00:49 <jroll> \o
15:00:55 <rpioso> \o
15:01:15 <rloo> o/
15:01:35 <TheJulia> Our agenda can be found on the wiki this week. It looks like we are announcement heavy, but I'll try and wrap that up quickly so we can proceed to everything else.
15:01:37 <TheJulia> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting
15:01:52 <deray> o/
15:01:54 <TheJulia> #info Stein PTG is in two weeks!
15:02:34 <TheJulia> #info Stein PTG topic etherpad should not receive any additional topics without first discussing TheJulia.
15:02:56 <TheJulia> #info Expect a rough schedule to be posted in the next day or two to the etherpad. I'll send out a mailing list email at that time.
15:03:08 <TheJulia> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-stein-ptg
15:03:34 <openstackgerrit> Ilya Etingof proposed openstack/ironic-specs master: IPA telemetry  https://review.openstack.org/492702
15:03:36 <TheJulia> #info Please go through the stein planning etherpad and +1 or comment on things that you see as important to discuss. This helps with prioritization and time slotting.
15:03:55 <TheJulia> And now for some Congratulations!
15:05:13 <TheJulia> #info Please join me and welcoming etingof, deray, and kaifeng to becoming sub-project cores of several of our smaller projects.
15:05:33 <rloo> congrats etingof, deray & kaifeng !!!
15:05:38 <TheJulia> etingof: I need to put in a gerrit change for virtualbmc, it is on my todo list today.
15:05:55 <dtantsur> \o/
15:05:58 <deray> hey! thank you all for showing your confidence on me!
15:05:59 <dtantsur> congrats folks!
15:06:10 <stendulker> Congrats all !!
15:06:13 * etingof is \o/
15:06:15 <deray> dtantsur, thx :) o/
15:06:21 <kaifeng> thanks for putting trust on me :)
15:06:22 <TheJulia> mjturek: has a time been set for the bug day tomorrow?
15:06:26 * deray joins etingof
15:06:33 <mjturek> \o TheJulia
15:06:36 <deray> \o/ * 100
15:06:38 <mjturek> yes, email just sent out
15:06:43 <mjturek> bug day will be at 1500 UTC
15:07:07 <deray> stendulker, o/ thx
15:07:08 <TheJulia> #info Bug day is **tomorrow** at 1500 UTC. Thanks goes to mjturek for organizing!
15:07:32 <jroll> congrats y'all :)
15:07:50 <cdearborn> congrats all!
15:08:33 <TheJulia> One thing, worth note for now and I'll send out an email to the mailing list in an hour or so, is that we're going to try and organization a pre-ptg call to discuss federation/distributed/edge needs so that we go into the PTG with a better set of ideas. I'm currently trying to summarize out the two higher level use cases that I'm aware of, so maybe two hours. :)
15:08:54 <TheJulia> Does anyone have anything else to announce today?
15:09:07 <TheJulia> And I totally forgot to set the topic to announcements...
15:09:10 <TheJulia> lol
15:09:18 <deray> jroll, cdearborn and everyone thank you all! :)
15:11:02 <TheJulia> Are we go to proceed if there are no other announcements
15:11:16 <TheJulia> ?
15:11:44 <rloo> +1
15:11:58 <TheJulia> #topic Review action items from prior meeting
15:12:00 <TheJulia> #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2018/ironic.2018-08-20-15.00.log.html
15:13:05 <TheJulia> There were two items. The first was to follow-up with ironic-staging-core members regarding reaching consensus. I did so. I believe they were good with ironic-core being added to the group that can review ironic-staging-drivers.
15:14:04 <TheJulia> The second item was for me to look at review stats and see about promoting some sub-project cores to our various sub-projects. As seen earlier in the meeting, that has been completed.
15:14:15 <TheJulia> Moving on...
15:14:40 <TheJulia> #topic Review subteam status reports
15:15:04 <TheJulia> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard
15:15:28 <TheJulia> Line 175
15:15:47 <deray> I would be curious to know the road ahead for ironic-inspector in terms of splitting out
15:15:59 <rloo> we're done with the the project vision, right? (for Rocky) L239ish
15:16:08 <TheJulia> rloo: we are!
15:16:13 <rloo> just in time for Stein's ;)
15:16:58 <TheJulia> rloo: I was thinking that would be a contextual topic to re-visit, but not take anywhere near the amount of time. I'm not sure how that would actually work in terms of getting people on the same page and to use the same words.... which is where I saw a lot of value from last time.
15:17:08 <dtantsur> deray: we have only one person actively working on ironic-inspector now - kaifeng
15:17:09 <rloo> are we done with zuul v3 playbook refactoring (L259ish)?
15:17:24 * kaifeng is opening storyboard..
15:17:30 <deray> dtantsur, yeah TheJulia informed me that
15:17:59 <TheJulia> rloo: we are not, I suspect that is going to become a long term slow refactoring of various repositories, I'm not sure it really needs to be a subteam item, but it might be good for us to focus on. I welcome others thoughts
15:18:01 <rloo> TheJulia: I was wondering but am leaving that goals thing for you, whether to discuss or not at PTG and what is involved there :)
15:18:17 <TheJulia> rloo: \o/
15:18:33 <rloo> TheJulia: if we want to leave it there, i would like to see some bullets or *something* more than 'refactoring'...
15:18:52 <TheJulia> rloo: ++
15:19:04 <TheJulia> an actionable todo list would be ideal
15:19:08 <kaifeng> deray: you can find several links in the https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001842
15:19:11 * TheJulia goes and makes a note
15:19:26 <deray> dtantsur, just got in touch with him.. will try discussing that with him
15:19:43 <deray> kaifeng, gr8 will have a look! noted!
15:19:52 <rloo> TheJulia: wrt ironic-ui... L307. what are we doing with that?
15:20:14 <TheJulia> one moment
15:21:05 <TheJulia> rloo: note added to remind me to ensure that we end up with a defined list of easily actionable steps for items carried over
15:21:21 <rloo> thx TheJulia
15:22:13 <rloo> there's a section at the bottom, L325. Is that all captured in the Stein etherpad? Or err, are those your notes to yourself...?
15:22:20 <TheJulia> rloo: I need to sync up with the horizon folks. The idea was that they were going to get their testing framework in a better place so that we could have a gating integration test, and once it finally broke in any substantial way we could then kind of put ironic-ui out to pasture if nobody is interested in contributing to it.
15:22:48 <rloo> TheJulia: ok, ActionItem I guess. Has it even been touched in Rocky?
15:22:49 <TheJulia> rloo: oh, those were all things I -2'ed
15:23:18 <TheJulia> #action TheJulia to sync up with the Horizon team during the PTG re: ironic-ui.
15:23:21 <rloo> TheJulia: :D open for business then!
15:23:40 <TheJulia> rloo: yeah, I already pulled my -2's on those patches so I just deleted the list.
15:24:28 <TheJulia> rloo: only thing during rocky were minor maintenance-ish changes
15:24:36 <rloo> I'm good wrt Rocky priorities :)
15:24:45 <TheJulia> and documentation
15:25:01 <rloo> TheJulia: ah, so there was a bit of activity. thx.
15:25:43 <TheJulia> Anyway, I think that covers status, priorities for this next week?
15:26:57 <TheJulia> #topic Priorities for the coming week
15:28:01 <TheJulia> I have not had a chance to re-visit the list and walk through them, especially regaridng the specs since friday. Does anyone have a spec they want to people to see, that way we can add it to the list for this week and take some of the others specs off the list?
15:29:37 * jroll has none
15:29:40 <rloo> given the timeframe to ptg, are there any specs ready to look at. that we ought to do/prepare for ptg?
15:30:22 <dtantsur> TheJulia: let's remove the inspector boot spec
15:30:26 <dtantsur> I'm no longer working on it
15:30:40 <dtantsur> and better add https://review.openstack.org/593545
15:30:41 <patchbot> patch 593545 - ironic-specs - Amendment of the agent http provisioning spec - 0h 19m 30s spent in CI
15:31:03 <TheJulia> dtantsur: agreed
15:31:28 <TheJulia> rloo: Kind of why I asked :)
15:31:39 <rloo> TheJulia: :)
15:33:50 <rloo> cricket1...
15:34:37 <TheJulia> I made some minor adjustments
15:34:46 <TheJulia> I feel like the specs repository in general needs some clean-up in gerrit
15:35:14 <TheJulia> Perhaps we make a list of things we think are abandoned, and possibly abandon them?
15:35:27 <TheJulia> s/we/we need to/
15:35:56 <TheJulia> One last question for priorities for the week, is there anything anyone would like to raise this week?
15:36:31 <rloo> i have, but not as a priority
15:37:24 <TheJulia> Well, the list is trimmed down a little, I guess we are good with that and can proceed to discussion
15:38:10 * TheJulia hears crickets
15:38:12 <openstackgerrit> Merged openstack/ironic-ui master: Update reno for stable/rocky  https://review.openstack.org/590320
15:38:13 <openstackgerrit> Merged openstack/ironic-ui stable/rocky: Update .gitreview for stable/rocky  https://review.openstack.org/590318
15:38:30 <rloo> TheJulia: sorry, are we still in priorities?
15:38:33 <TheJulia> #topic Discussion
15:38:43 * TheJulia thinks we reached consensus :)
15:39:10 <rloo> that's what i was looking for :) Just wanted to bring up PTG get-together?
15:39:39 <TheJulia> I have one discussion worthy item. Meetings for the next few weeks. The PTG is in two weeks, so normally we would cancel that meeting, and possibly the meeting before or after. What would people like to do, because we can still run a meeting from the PTG monday morning.
15:40:14 <TheJulia> rloo: I hadn't planned anything. There are some scheduled evening events, I was thinking it might be good if we all just go grab a bite to eat one night
15:40:18 <rloo> i think we tend to still have a meeting the week before, in case there is anything to discuss/prep before
15:40:24 <TheJulia> Or we could bring board games or something.
15:40:31 <TheJulia> rloo: agreed
15:40:49 <hamzy> mmm board games :)
15:41:02 <rloo> i don't know if it is worth running a meeting PTG monday.
15:41:04 <jroll> next monday is a US holiday, fwiw, but could still have a meeting
15:41:24 <rloo> OH, forgot. Hmm. Also Canada holiday. I won't be attending.
15:41:41 <TheJulia> The week following the PTG, I'll be in boston, but I won't be in the air on Monday of that week.
15:41:57 * TheJulia thinks finding a quiet coffee shop in boston is ideal for that day
15:42:03 <openstackgerrit> Merged openstack/ironic-ui master: import zuul job settings from project-config  https://review.openstack.org/592401
15:42:04 <TheJulia> (if anyone has recommendations...)
15:42:05 <openstackgerrit> Merged openstack/ironic-ui master: switch documentation job to new PTI  https://review.openstack.org/592402
15:42:06 <openstackgerrit> Merged openstack/ironic-ui master: add python 3.6 unit test job  https://review.openstack.org/592403
15:42:25 <TheJulia> I guess we can keep the meetings except during the ptg, and plan on them being brief
15:42:46 <TheJulia> I doubt I'll have anything substantially recounted from the PTG in a consumable form in time for the monday after.
15:42:59 <rloo> if there are enough people -- week after PTG might be good. I guess one of the more important things is getting the Stein goals out, so we can update the etherpad etc.
15:43:06 <dtantsur> usually we cancel the one during, and the one right afterwards
15:44:01 <TheJulia> I'm for the one after, and it sounds like there is interest, even if we keep it super brief to "Is thejulia done writing stuff down yet?" "no" "Okay, going back to work now"
15:44:21 <dtantsur> heh
15:44:24 <TheJulia> Anyway, I feel like we're good to go to open discussion at this point
15:44:28 <dtantsur> I can chair the one right after, I think
15:44:32 <TheJulia> #topic Open Discussion
15:44:56 <TheJulia> dtantsur: I'll let you know, my flights are actually relatively sane for that week.
15:45:03 <dtantsur> cool
15:45:33 <TheJulia> How do people feel about trying to plan two cycles with-in the stein cycle?
15:45:46 <jroll> hm?
15:45:50 <rloo> depends. what does that mean?
15:46:13 <TheJulia> The stein cycle will be 8-ish months long, so what if we were to kind of try and focus on a distinct list of things for the first half, then a list of things for the second half of the cycle?
15:46:49 <rloo> well, we could try. I don't really care. Seems like more work/overhead to manage it but as long as you/others are willing to do that, herd the cats, etc...
15:46:51 <TheJulia> It will take a little more planning and consensus building to pull of, but I think it could be rewarding for us to do. Then again, there is that always present caveat I might be crazy.
15:47:02 <TheJulia> s/of/off/
15:47:06 <jroll> what's the benefit?
15:47:16 <TheJulia> better planning regarding stacking features I guess
15:47:17 <rloo> I mean, the plan (before) was to push out releases as often as possible.
15:47:34 <rloo> and the weekly priorities were meant to help with getting out features etc.
15:47:37 <TheJulia> yeah, and that kind of falls by the wayside when we don't really progress on anything substantial for a few months
15:48:04 <rloo> I'm not sure explicitly stating 'two cycles' will help speed things up beyond ^^, but I like to keep an open mind :)
15:48:13 <jroll> I'd rather see more "let's not start on x/y/z until a/b/c is finished" than calling out specific dates or timelines or whatever
15:48:22 <TheJulia> I guess I feel like we hit duldrums early on in the rocky cycle and then picked up steam a little later on.
15:48:38 <TheJulia> jroll: I'm +1 to taht
15:48:40 <TheJulia> that
15:49:05 <TheJulia> when we do that, we do tend to at least identify conflicts and kind of naturally begin to prioritize the path forward a bit more clearly
15:49:13 <rloo> seems like we delayed releasing for awhile cuz of removal of classic drivers? and maybe 'lets get bios interface done'?
15:49:24 <TheJulia> that too
15:49:40 <TheJulia> since classic drivers was a hard breaking change instead of additive
15:49:51 <jroll> I think some people were out/downstream earlier in the cycle, too
15:49:57 <TheJulia> ++
15:50:12 <jroll> but, beginning of cycle always feels a little slow
15:50:14 <rloo> so maybe it makes more sense to look at the goals and figure out what/if there is a good order in which to land them.
15:50:19 <TheJulia> yeah, downstream begins to pull many of us in after the stable branches get cut
15:50:31 <TheJulia> rloo: ++
15:50:38 <rloo> it also depends on the folks working on the features etc. hard to get guarantees that things will be ready when we want it.
15:50:46 <TheJulia> yeah
15:51:18 <TheJulia> I think we're starting to get a little better about picking things back up, but that is just my perception
15:51:45 <rloo> honestly, my perception is that you and dmitry picked up a lot...
15:52:07 <rloo> but i feel like we are doing a retrospective thingy now
15:52:13 <rloo> (or I am anyway)
15:52:51 <TheJulia> Anyway, I'll try to make sure we note inter-dependencies/order thoughts and write it down so we capture those sorts of things from the PTG since it does also get discussed at times, and then we can kind of go into the next cycle with at least that mentally captured
15:53:11 <TheJulia> rloo: kind of slipping into a retrospective, which is not a bad thing since we're in open discussion :)
15:53:34 <rloo> true if we want to discuss now instead of at PTG. I don't really want to discuss twice :)
15:53:35 <TheJulia> I just wanted to gather people's thoughts early so I can frame notes and follow-up items with that in mind
15:54:07 <TheJulia> Given that we have newer contributors present, I wasn't thinking a retrospective during the ptg.
15:54:25 <jroll> oh
15:54:31 * jroll thinks every ptg should have a retro
15:54:51 <TheJulia> maybe if we keep it brief and objective oriented?
15:55:12 <rloo> i don't really care where we do the retrospective, but we should. although i am not sure it is a good idea to do one now w/o any notice.
15:55:18 <jroll> what's the reason not to have one?
15:55:24 <rloo> but on the other hand, would people have made an effort to be here today if they knew.
15:55:27 <jroll> there's still two weeks to prep in etherpad
15:55:46 <TheJulia> rloo: oh, yeah, I agree, we've shifted subjects amazingly far :)
15:56:31 <jroll> I don't understand why having newer contributors present means we shouldn't have a retro
15:56:47 <jroll> (and what are we basing "newer contributors" off of?)
15:57:08 <TheJulia> jroll: I guess my thought, at this is just completely off the cuff, was that there is not a reason to weigh new contributors down with long time contributors kind of kicking ourselves for the things we can't control.
15:57:27 <TheJulia> jroll: the attendee list
15:57:39 <TheJulia> jroll: it seems half/half
15:57:40 <rloo> oh, wait a minute. retrospective is what went well and what went not well.
15:57:44 <jroll> well, I would hope we focus on more than "woe is us, we are losing contributors"
15:58:10 <jroll> TheJulia: I recognize most of those names as long-time community members, although quieter
15:58:16 <TheJulia> jroll: yeah, that too should be avoided, but we've successfully navigated that for a while :)
15:58:20 <jroll> I see 3 names that I don't recall from previous cycles
15:58:31 <jroll> TheJulia: well, what else can we not control? :)
15:58:42 <rloo> yeah, i was about to say 3 names too.
15:58:49 <TheJulia> jroll: rotation of the planet?
15:58:57 <rloo> anyway, 'new' contributors could be lurkers, could provide their perception too.
15:59:02 <TheJulia> I count six from my point of view, but okay
15:59:16 <jroll> I hope rotation of the planet doesn't have a major effect on the progress of ironic :P
15:59:28 <rloo> oh, true. i recognize at least one name from other openstack stuff.
15:59:44 <rloo> anyway...
15:59:47 <TheJulia> well, should it suddenly stop, so would ironic (unless we begin building our moon and martian research and development bases)
15:59:52 * TheJulia has reached silly
16:00:07 <rloo> meeting is over now, which might be a good thing...
16:00:11 <TheJulia> and we're also at an hour. :)
16:00:51 <TheJulia> I'll put in a window for retrospective and getting to the same words (what that looks like, I don't know yet)
16:00:57 <TheJulia> "vision review"
16:01:21 <rloo> thx TheJulia!
16:01:22 <TheJulia> Anyway, does anyone have anything else that we need to discuss or that needs to be raised?
16:02:06 * TheJulia hears crickets and thinks that is a no
16:02:13 <TheJulia> Thanks everyone!
16:02:18 * jroll has an issue - severely lacking food in stomach
16:02:23 <TheJulia> #endmeeting