17:00:08 #startmeeting ironic 17:00:08 Meeting started Mon Feb 29 17:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:10 o/ 17:00:10 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:00:10 hia ll! 17:00:12 The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' 17:00:14 o/ 17:00:15 also, hi all! 17:00:17 <[1]rpioso> o/ 17:00:20 ohai everybody o// 17:00:24 o/ 17:00:24 hello 17:00:31 o/ 17:00:32 o/ 17:00:34 o/ 17:00:41 as always, our agenda is here: 17:00:54 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic 17:00:57 #chair devananda NobodyCam 17:00:58 Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda jroll 17:01:14 #topic announcements and reminders 17:01:15 o/ 17:01:21 o/ 17:01:28 as far as I know, our gate is doing great right now 17:01:36 o/ 17:01:49 \o/ 17:01:54 hi 17:02:03 w00t 17:02:06 It's Alive! 17:02:14 o/ 17:02:14 yep 17:02:21 yeah, it was broken on thursday last week but was something unrelated to ironic 17:02:21 reminder that this week is the final week for client library releases, we need to release our clients this week 17:02:45 it's also feature freeze for many other projects, so be mindful of that, and also the gate tends to get backed up on FF week 17:02:56 o/ 17:03:08 we'll likely release another ironic soon 17:03:16 When is feature freeze for openstack/ironic? 17:03:23 I don't have a target date, but I'd like to at a minimum finish manual cleaning and RAID things 17:03:33 o/ 17:03:44 jroll: this will be the mitaka intended version? 17:03:56 also an inspector release will be coming soon, of course 17:04:03 we don't do a traditional feature freeze, however we'll likely stop accepting risky code next week 17:04:13 we can come back to it on the open topics, but there's a patch for adding support to partition for agent drivers in ironic-lib that would be nice to have in the release 17:04:17 thiagop: possibly one more release between that one and feature freeze 17:04:20 How is it looking for the networking work and mitaka? 17:04:28 jroll: ack 17:04:28 * jlvillal hopes people don't mind him asking... 17:04:40 * lucasagomes +2'd the patch already 17:04:41 lucasagomes: non-client library release freeze was last week :/ 17:04:49 oh :-( 17:04:57 ok we missed it... the patch wasn't ready by then anyway 17:05:08 jlvillal: let's come to that question in subteam updates 17:05:14 yeah, we're not supposed to make new feature versions of libraries 17:05:20 Okay 17:05:22 (except for clients this week) 17:05:45 one more announcement thing from me: I'll be in vegas next monday 17:05:57 devananda: mind running the meeting next week? 17:06:26 me thinks of Vegas like "Vega$" 17:06:34 :P 17:07:04 jroll: not at all 17:07:10 awesome, thank you 17:07:15 any other announcements/reminders? 17:07:16 :) 17:07:38 aight, moving on 17:07:48 #topic subteam status reports 17:07:52 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard 17:08:03 starts on line 106 17:08:39 17:08:47 dtantsur: \o/ for futurist 17:09:00 yep :) 17:09:04 I'd love some eyes on the RAID patches this week, especially the client 17:09:04 ++ dtantsur! 17:09:05 watch for regressions now :D 17:09:20 I think that's the only thing I care about in the client before freeze 17:09:22 client is: 17:09:24 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226234/ 17:10:03 ++ 17:10:16 on the network isolation stuff... 17:10:21 * lucasagomes checked if manual cleaining is already merged in the client (it is) 17:10:30 we're pushing hard to finish it in the next couple weeks, the first of two API patches seems good to go 17:10:40 the second is being heavily refactored, that's my main goal this week 17:10:51 hopefully we can merge those this week or next 17:11:11 that said, I wouldn't be incredibly surprised to see this not make it in mitaka (though I would be incredibly sad) 17:11:21 so don't go promising anyone it's in mitaka 17:11:41 jlvillal: ^ answer your question? 17:11:47 jroll: Thank you. 17:12:41 Please let me know if I can be of any help/assistance. 17:12:58 reviews would be helpful :) 17:13:04 Will do! 17:13:15 * jlvillal knows there are already many cooks working on it. 17:14:27 I had a bad time trying to review those patches for lack of experience, but will try again 17:16:58 anything else on subteam reports? 17:17:22 alright, moving on 17:17:33 #topic How much summit space do we need/want? 17:17:55 this is really for the next cycle's PTL, but early planning and all 17:18:04 thierry needs an idea of how much summit space we want 17:18:04 jroll: will we be sharing sessions with other groups like neutron? 17:18:26 we need at least some place for this crazy chassis management/CMDB integration discussion 17:18:29 What are the options? I would think at least as much as Tokyo. 17:18:44 ++ for at least Tokyo 17:18:45 same format as last time: there are fishbowl rooms, smaller work rooms, and friday half day contributor meetups 17:18:51 in tokyo we had 4/4/1 17:19:13 contributor meetup is mostly useless IMO... 17:19:14 yeah tokyo and vancouver were good 17:19:23 NobodyCam: we don't know yet, but we hope to have one with neutron and nova about network things 17:19:39 I just remember the joint with infra seemed crowded. 17:19:42 i found tokyo's fri half day meet up not great cuz we had to share the room. 17:19:43 ++ 17:19:50 yes, I would like to have our own room friday 17:19:57 rloo, indeed 17:19:59 Tokyo good be better if we have priority planning as a proper session, not some private one in the hall 17:20:14 otherwise I think 4 fishbowl and 4 workrooms is probably okay 17:20:35 dtantsur: it wasn't 'private'; we had split into groups, just couldn't find a place to discuss :( 17:20:38 Is each one of those for 1 hour (approximately)? 17:20:57 I believe they are the standard 40 minutes, as before 17:21:05 rloo, well, that what I call private :) in a sense it wasn't part of a schedule essentially. we just left the place where we were supposed to be 17:22:02 dtantsur: (more like disorganized or whatever, it wasn't meant to exclude folks.) 17:22:12 yeah the session in the hall way on the floor should become a real session 17:22:27 it wasn't meant, but it probably did exclude people who were unable to find us.. 17:22:40 ++ 17:22:44 dtantsur, there was other ironic folks in the room AFAIR 17:22:45 yep 17:22:56 but yeah, I hope the venue in Austin will be bigger than the one in Tokyo 17:22:58 the rooms at least 17:23:09 everything is bigger in texas 17:23:16 at least we hoppe 17:23:21 s/hoppe/hope/ 17:23:23 dtantsur: ack. which is also why it is important (and good) that jroll posted email about the priorities. 17:23:25 vancouver was vey nice in /my book 17:23:32 the hotel rooms at least will be at least 10x bigger :-) 17:23:34 heh 17:23:34 the convention center is huge, think vancouver 17:23:35 ++ vancouver :) 17:23:40 fridays are always difficult at summits. some folks are leaving, and everyone's tired by that point 17:23:46 the rooms in vancouver were too small 17:23:51 will chairs be 10x bigger too? :D 17:24:03 if we have to share a room friday, I'm moving our friday session to where you stand in line for franklin's 17:24:16 so last session/whatever (before Fri) for priorities? 17:24:22 ++ 17:24:23 jroll: +++ 17:24:24 maybe 17:24:27 jroll: I dont even know what franklin's is, but I approve 17:24:29 let's not plan sessions right now 17:24:33 BBQ 17:24:36 devananda: THE barbecue place in austin 17:24:41 https://franklinbarbecue.com/ 17:24:58 nice 17:25:05 so assuming we get our own room on Fri, do we want it, and for 1/2 day only? 17:25:15 anyway, does anyone disagree with 4/4/1 again? 17:25:26 rloo: yes, I think so - maybe only if we get it in the morning? 17:25:37 everyone is braindead/gone by friday afternoon 17:25:41 Sounds reasonable to me. Try not to plan anything too important for Friday if possible. 17:25:44 jroll: yup, AM only. 17:25:49 I think 4/4/1 is good 17:25:53 jroll, seems ok to me 17:26:01 +1 for 4/4/1 17:26:02 jroll: relative to tokyo, is there overall more or less slots available? 17:26:32 jroll, dtantsur: I think it would be good to get some space for inspector fishbowl stuff too WDYT? 17:26:43 * jlvillal is getting a little excited hearing about the summit :) 17:26:45 devananda: it's unclear 17:26:54 jroll: and do you want to give a dedicated slot to subprojects like inspector, bifrost, etc? 17:26:55 sambetts, I'd love too.. at least in form of "other projects" track (we, bifrost, UI) 17:27:01 n00b question: what do you mean by "fishbowl"? 17:27:08 devananda: yeah, that's a great question 17:27:15 jroll: both of those will affect my opinion on it 17:27:16 mgould: large room 17:27:26 NobodyCam, thanks 17:27:31 mgould: fishbowls are larger rooms, maybe 50-60 people, and workrooms are 20-30 17:27:45 also arranged differently, theater-style vs a large table 17:27:53 jroll, late +1 to Fri only if in the morning 17:27:53 mgould, yeah and usually we discuss 1 specific issue in that fishbowl session 17:27:58 * dtantsur is leaving on Fri evening FWIW 17:28:01 dtantsur: yeah +1 17:28:04 dtantsur: ditto 17:28:09 dtantsur: same 17:28:30 while 4/4/1 was good, I wish we could have had 2 more workroom slots in vancouver and tokyo, but the summit is a balancing act with all the other projects 17:28:39 specifically for subprojects 17:28:42 dtantsur: TheJulia: do either of you want a dedicated slot? I think yes for inspector, unsure for bifrost. should those be a fishbowl or workroom? 17:28:57 jroll, lucasagomes: thanks 17:29:14 devananda: 4/4/1 + shared session with neutron and nova == 6/4/1? 17:29:25 jroll: I don't think bifrost needs a dedicated slot, a lot of the related discussion happens async or as a clustering of "lets step away so we don't interrupt these other people" 17:29:38 jroll, I don't have agenda in mind, but I guess fishbowls are more rare, and we'll be fine with a workroom 17:29:39 TheJulia: that sounds like a "yes" 17:29:41 just generally, for the larger sessions, if we have mics, it would be great if we can use them...can be difficult to hear up the back 17:29:54 devananda: but in a very ad-hoc nature, so might be useful 17:29:56 cinerama: I try to yell at people when we don't :) 17:30:26 TheJulia, ditto for us, but I think we could go over a number of quick questions/updates (like discovery) 17:30:30 NobodyCam: my thought is that the shared session will be one session with ironic/nova/neutron 17:30:35 dtantsur: ++ 17:30:39 TheJulia: you've had only adhoc discussions before, sure -- do you think there is enough contributor interest, and specifically is there a contentions or important _thing_ you need to get together and address? 17:30:55 NobodyCam: because there's a bunch of complex stuff we want to do, and we want to get everyone to agree on it 17:30:56 jroll: ahh :) I miss read 17:31:20 devananda: Honestly, I don't think there are any real contentious or important things. Largely the bulk of that gets hashed out in the larger group and bifrost just consumes 17:31:22 NobodyCam: those can take one of the four, though, or we could maybe cannibalize a neutron or nova slot 17:31:23 TheJulia: I think a lot of people are interested in Bifrost. I'm interested :) 17:31:44 jlvillal: naturally, I will defer to what the community desires :) 17:31:51 I mean, just "interested people" doesn't need a summit session; you need something to talk about :) 17:31:59 jroll: indeed 17:32:03 TheJulia: Of course they maybe like me and just want to get more tips/tricks on how to use it :) 17:32:13 * NobodyCam thinks there should be seperate pool of cross project sessions 17:32:19 jlvillal, TheJulia: that sounds more like a BoF session, tbh 17:32:22 NobodyCam: there was last year :) 17:32:26 jroll, for inspector I would at least have a priority planning; also going through stale RFE's.. also we have one topic that still hangs since last summit... 17:32:33 heh, looks like enough :) 17:32:34 "lets get together and chat about $project" ==> BoF 17:32:47 sambetts, I'm referring to this virtual media thing.. 17:32:52 :) 17:33:04 dtantsur: yup it would be good to go through that 17:33:04 dtantsur: okay cool 17:33:09 A BoF on Bifrost is something I would attend (providing no conflicts). 17:33:51 maybe I'll request 5/5/1 and we can go from there 17:34:09 I would like a session on the future of inspection, how we might make it more of a first-class thing in ironic 17:34:17 and/or the CMDB integration pieces 17:34:19 jroll: sounds safe. and ++ 17:34:40 jroll: I thought we weren't discussing specific topics right now :) 17:34:52 hehe 17:35:02 jroll, dtantsur: ironic/inspector cross project sess 17:35:08 just saying there's enough topics on inspection to justify at least one session 17:35:10 ya 17:35:14 jroll: definitely agree 17:35:19 dedicated session for inspector +1 17:35:21 jroll, indeed 17:35:30 \o/ 17:35:36 alright, cool, I think we have enough feedback here 17:35:45 I'll email thierry and we'll see where it goes from there 17:35:52 anything else on this topic, or open discussion time? 17:36:08 NobodyCam: fwiw, there is a separate pool for truly cross-project sessions (where cross-project means "affects 3 or more") 17:36:35 ironic/nova/neutron == 3 :):p 17:36:38 NobodyCam: things like "what DLM should we support" go in the cross-project day 17:36:53 devananda: oh very good topic 17:36:58 ++ 17:37:01 but specific integrations between projects (ie, ironic/cinder, ironic/nova/neutron) are expected to be worked out between those projects 17:37:09 just FYI .... 17:38:22 jroll: I think we can go to open discussion, and if there's any more on ^ that folks want to talk about, that's fine 17:38:45 yep 17:38:49 #topic open discussion 17:38:59 * jroll has nothing right now 17:39:48 wow nothing for OD? 17:39:58 * jroll assumes someone is typing a short novel 17:40:04 I'll give it a couple minutes 17:40:16 lol 17:40:17 * TheJulia reserves novels for emails 17:40:20 we are close to summit :0 17:40:21 evergreens ;) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253675/ 17:40:29 man I left franklins website open in my browser and I've flipped back to a giant brisket picture three times now 17:40:34 * jroll suddenly drooling 17:40:44 mmmmm 17:40:48 there's a patch for devstack-gate that will allow us to run ipmitool drivers in gate 17:40:54 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284036/ 17:41:09 * BadCub has been compiling a list of best BBQ houses in/around Austin 17:41:22 if you guys feel like reviewing it or helping me get core people to tkae a look at it I will be very thankful :-) 17:41:32 BadCub: folks around here are too 17:41:33 BadCub: black's better be on the list, it's 30-60 minute drive though 17:41:39 * TheJulia can attest to BadCub's obsession with BBQ and the fact that he has been talking about it since... Vancouver 17:41:57 Blacks IS on the list. 17:41:58 lol 17:42:03 mmmm 17:42:06 BadCub, hah nice 17:42:12 * NobodyCam wants bbq now! 17:42:20 so we are having the ironic night-out in a bbq place? 17:42:22 lucasagomes: you might ping sdague or infra folks directly 17:42:27 * jlvillal will get coffee after the meeting :P 17:42:38 jroll, tried today, but no dice :-( 17:42:46 TheJulia I would say less of an obsession than a strong appreciation 17:43:02 I will keep pinging the -infra, -qa channel 17:43:03 lucasagomes: ++ 17:43:05 hrm 17:43:48 devananda: BadCub: we should talk about a group dinner one night 17:43:55 +2 17:44:03 jroll: Indeed 17:44:04 +2 17:44:05 Start planning early :) 17:44:14 Before the places get booked up. 17:44:19 yep! 17:44:41 places and other evening events 17:44:47 there are some really good restaurants close to the convention center 17:44:50 and I thought I gained weight durring the paris summit 17:45:20 davidlenwell: s/paris/every/ ... 17:45:29 touche 17:45:35 heh 17:45:44 * BadCub will be in a BBQ induced meat coma before he leaves Austin 17:46:01 ++ for bbq coma 17:46:22 BadCub: I will cheer you on in your pursuit of meatcoma 17:46:33 may have to roadtrip to lockhart :) 17:46:34 I'll be racing him to the finish 17:46:40 lol 17:46:42 devananda: ++ I'll need a cheering section! 17:46:43 heh 17:47:02 * BadCub may even enter an eating contest or two, if there are any floating about 17:47:20 * TheJulia just shakes her head 17:47:22 lol 17:47:56 @BadCub we can just have one everywhere we go ;) 17:48:18 http://www.onlyinyourstate.com/texas/tx-food-challenges/ 17:48:30 davidlenwell: nice! 17:49:07 alright so it's safe to say we're done here 17:49:07 NobodyCam, hah nice 17:49:10 WOOHOO... Food Challenges. I see the scales begging for death after this summit 17:49:13 we can talk about meat in the ironic channel 17:49:42 jroll: I think we have digressed from any real meeting topic 17:49:48 at this point 17:50:07 idk, seems like a meating topic to me 17:50:09 :D 17:50:13 lol 17:50:14 thanks for coming everyone :) 17:50:17 #endmeeting