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17:00:35 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'ironic'
17:00:35 <davidlenwell> o/
17:00:36 <vdrok> o/
17:00:38 <jroll> good UGT morning everyone :)
17:00:40 <lucasagomes> hello
17:00:42 <krtaylor> o/
17:00:42 <jlvillal> o/
17:00:47 <sambetts> o/
17:00:56 <jroll> as always, agenda is here:
17:01:00 <jroll> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting
17:01:04 <TheJulia> o/
17:01:04 <rloo> o/
17:01:09 <jroll> nice and light today :D
17:01:25 <jroll> #topic announcements and reminders
17:01:36 <jroll> dtantsur: can you tell us about our gate?
17:01:43 <dtantsur> o/
17:01:44 <mgould> o/
17:01:55 <devananda> o/
17:02:00 <dtantsur> jroll, more or less good, but we have random failures caused by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1537076
17:02:01 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1537076 in Ironic "Timed out waiting for Nova hypervisor-stats count >= 1 due to Nova Unable to establish connection to http://127.0.0.1:35357/v2.0/tokens" [High,Confirmed]
17:02:12 <NobodyCam> o/
17:02:13 <dtantsur> I did investigate this particular problem
17:02:16 <dtantsur> * did not
17:02:19 <jroll> dtantsur: ok, and still timeouts on the other jobs yes?
17:02:29 <dtantsur> yes, happens
17:02:33 <devananda> I spent several hours on friday looking into ^ but did not understand the root :(
17:02:41 <pas-ha> o/
17:02:42 <jroll> yeah, ok. thanks.
17:02:51 <jroll> as always, help wanted/needed on the timeout issues our gate faces
17:03:00 <devananda> it seems as though keystone /v2/ API is not responding, but that doesn't make sense to me
17:03:06 <jroll> other announcements... I saw some inspector releases \o/
17:03:09 <vdrok> also this thing - Details: {u'message': u'Unable to associate floating IP 172.24.5.4 to fixed IP 10.1.0.5 for instance 46803125-c1b1-4184-87e5-c1a7b846666a. Error: Router a17e97a0-ba1d-4866-93ca-9d442bfaa581 could not be found', u'code': 400}
17:03:11 <davidlenwell> Hey everyone.. just wanted to let everyone know that as of today I've joined the ironic team at hpe.. so you'll be seeing a lot of me moving forward.. sorry ;)
17:03:17 <vdrok> during tempest run
17:03:21 <devananda> davidlenwell: welcome!
17:03:33 <betherly> o/
17:03:35 <jroll> davidlenwell: wooooo
17:03:36 <NobodyCam> welcome davidlenwell
17:03:46 <rloo> davidlenwell: welcome and finally! :)
17:03:49 <dtantsur> jroll, yes \o/
17:03:49 <betherly> welcome davidlenwell!
17:03:55 <davidlenwell> thank you! I look forwrad to throwing wet cats at all of you ;)
17:03:59 <dtantsur> davidlenwell, welcome!
17:04:03 <dtantsur> moar cats
17:04:19 <mgould> davidlenwell, welcome!
17:04:22 <rloo> vdrok: there is a bug for that: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1537754
17:04:23 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1537754 in Ironic "Unable to associate floating IP 172.24.5.4 to fixed IP 10.1.0.5 for instance ..." [Undecided,New]
17:05:29 <jroll> ok, any other announcements?
17:06:10 <jroll> k.
17:06:10 <rloo> jroll: anything more about midcycle?
17:06:16 <vdrok> rloo, aha, thanks
17:06:31 <vdrok> davidlenwell, welcome :)
17:06:39 <jroll> rloo: we have dates, working on video things, I can start a topics/scheduling etherpad if that's helpful to folks
17:07:17 <NobodyCam> jroll: ++
17:07:39 <rpioso> o/
17:07:52 <gabriel> devananda: fwiw, keystone is trying to make v3 the default for devstack. It might be related.
17:08:11 <devananda> gabriel: I see
17:08:28 <jroll> NobodyCam: rloo: I'll send out a link later
17:08:39 <jroll> moving on then
17:08:44 <rloo> jroll: thx
17:08:48 <jroll> #topic subteam status updates
17:08:58 <jroll> as always, these are here:
17:09:00 <jroll> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard
17:09:11 <jroll> I'll give folks a moment to look
17:10:10 <rloo> jroll: wrt network isolation. working backwards -- nova code has to land by when?
17:10:59 <jroll> rloo: non-priority feature freeze was last week, priority is m-3
17:11:12 <jroll> I need to bug johnthetubaguy about FFEs, or if this is priority or non-
17:11:14 <dtantsur> is it priority for them?
17:11:17 <dtantsur> ah
17:11:21 <jroll> it's midcycle week for them, so hard to reach
17:11:28 <jlvillal> FYI: I just created an Etherpad to help track what people have done with regards to debug the gate. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicGateDebugging
17:11:42 <jlvillal> Hopefully it will be helpful to collaborate
17:12:01 <jroll> that nova code uses the new portgroups thing - so if we miss on that, we'll be able to use the networking features, but not with portgroups
17:12:28 <jroll> thanks jlvillal .
17:12:29 <rloo> jroll: would be good to know the dates, to get an idea. if you can put in the etherpad or somewhere, the order to review/dates, blah blah.
17:12:57 <jroll> rloo: working on it...
17:13:13 <jroll> my priorities right now are: gate, manual cleaning, network stuff
17:13:27 <NobodyCam> tags:  23
17:13:27 <NobodyCam> - neutron.networks.flat:  24
17:13:27 <NobodyCam> provider-physical-network: physnet1
17:13:33 <NobodyCam> gah
17:13:35 <NobodyCam> sorry
17:13:36 <lucasagomes> jroll, FWIW I've updated the microversion patch in nova
17:13:45 <lucasagomes> I think the patches for network need it too right?
17:14:21 <jroll> cool, thanks lucasagomes
17:14:28 <jroll> it does, I added it to that patch as well
17:14:33 <jroll> we can deal with the conflict when it comes
17:14:50 <jroll> that patch is here https://review.openstack.org/206163
17:15:50 <jroll> jlvillal: I assume you and mrda are not at nova midcycle, right?
17:15:56 <lucasagomes> will take a look
17:16:21 <jlvillal> jroll: Correct. I chatted with mrda last night about some Nova stuff and he is in Australia. On holiday today and tomorrow.
17:16:28 <jroll> k
17:16:33 <jroll> that's a bummer
17:18:00 <jroll> anything else on subteam updates that folks want to talk about?
17:19:13 <jroll> guess not
17:19:17 <jroll> #topic open discussion
17:19:22 <jroll> anyone have a topic?
17:19:33 <jroll> otherwise I want to lay out some time slots for midcycle
17:19:41 <jroll> dtantsur: what's your typical work day utc?
17:19:46 <lucasagomes> I would say go for it jroll
17:20:10 <jroll> dtantsur: and how late are you comfortable staying?
17:20:28 <jroll> north american folks: how early is too early if you pretend you have jet lag? :)
17:20:50 <dtantsur> jroll, 10am - 6pm give or take.. if I work from home, I can be online til around 8pm UTC
17:20:55 <jroll> vdrok: same question for you re: typical work day times
17:21:09 * lucasagomes is on UTC+0
17:21:26 * mgould is on a similar schedule to dtantsur
17:21:35 <vdrok> jroll, 8-18 utc is fine for me
17:21:45 <jroll> ok, so I'm thinking we do some early slots that can overlap NA with the euro folks
17:22:03 <jroll> maybe 1500-2000 utc, something like that
17:22:29 <jroll> and then some later slots where it's afternoon for NA and mrda (and any other aussies) can pop in early his time
17:22:32 <jlvillal> I could try to be online by 6am PST (Pacific Standard Time). Not sure what that is UTC.
17:22:50 <jroll> maybe like... 0000-0400 or something
17:22:58 <jroll> jlvillal: that's 1400
17:23:06 <jlvillal> Thanks
17:23:51 <jroll> as we have mostly cores in north america and europe, we can do the big contentious topics in the 1500-2000 range, and maybe a recap in the other slots for those that can't join?
17:24:12 <jroll> and the other slots can also hack on some reviews and pushing some code
17:24:18 <jroll> pushing some code forward*
17:24:28 <jroll> does that make sense to people or sound insane?
17:24:30 <lucasagomes> the range WFM
17:24:36 <krtaylor> ++
17:24:42 <dtantsur> ++
17:25:09 <TheJulia> sounds good
17:25:11 <jlvillal> Sounds reasonable to me.
17:25:20 <jroll> wow, first try :o
17:25:37 <rloo> i can't commit to the 1500-2000. will try :)
17:25:57 <jroll> rloo: maybe the second half of it at least?
17:25:59 <vdrok> +1
17:26:17 <jroll> rloo: to be clear, that's 10am-3pm eastern time, I think
17:26:33 <rloo> jroll: oops, i meant the 0000-0400.
17:26:36 <jroll> so maybe you mean the ... yeah
17:26:38 <jroll> :)
17:26:53 <jroll> that'd be fine, I don't expect everyone to be in both
17:27:20 <rloo> jroll: ok, should we say that we need a min number of cores? 2?
17:27:25 <devananda> jroll: I'm pretty sure I'll miss one of the 0000-0400 slots
17:27:31 <devananda> jroll: but otherwise WFM
17:27:42 <jroll> ok cool
17:28:13 * rloo doesn't want a repeat of those meetings where no cores showed up
17:28:20 <jroll> rloo: I'd rather say that if we find we're getting nothing done, we drop off the video and use irc instead, and just get work done
17:28:39 <jroll> obviously we won't make major decisions without some cores around :)
17:28:41 <lucasagomes> re video, what we are going to use?
17:28:43 <jlvillal> Here is a time/date for people: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ironic+Virtual+Mid-cycle+big+topics&iso=20160216T15&p1=1440&ah=5
17:28:43 <lucasagomes> hangouts?
17:29:00 <jroll> lucasagomes: working on it, hangouts has a 10-person limit afaik, but may be higher with google apps for domains
17:29:01 <dtantsur> hangouts have a small limit on number of people iirc
17:29:14 <lucasagomes> oh right
17:29:18 <jroll> there's a couple other options I'm investigating - webex, vidyo, another thing I can't remember right now
17:29:20 <rloo> jroll: the whole idea of doing those times is to work with folks then. so it is two ways; if no folks (in those timezones) show up, no need for cores to show up. and vice versa.
17:29:25 <krtaylor> we can use the virtual sprint irc
17:29:29 <TheJulia> jroll: if anyone has an apps account and joins, then video should go past 10
17:29:29 <dtantsur> lucasagomes, maybe we could use our corporate bluejeans?
17:29:33 <jroll> rloo: sure
17:29:41 <jroll> TheJulia: oh, cool, I have one
17:29:46 <lucasagomes> dtantsur, that would be handy, not sure how it works for external folks tho
17:29:47 <jroll> I'll do more investigation
17:29:57 * jroll notes bluejeans as well
17:30:02 <dtantsur> lucasagomes, I'm pretty sure I saw an external person once
17:30:14 <lucasagomes> yeah, I think people can call in or something
17:30:25 <lucasagomes> we can investigate for sure
17:30:40 <lucasagomes> does skype have a limit too?
17:30:50 <dtantsur> oh no
17:30:53 <jroll> sambetts: chance that cisco could get us a webex if needed?
17:31:01 <dtantsur> skype for linux does not support group video at all
17:31:02 <jroll> lucasagomes: yeah, I think skype is two unless you're paying
17:31:02 <devananda> jroll: I thought infra set up things for us to use that follow the four opens?
17:31:13 <lucasagomes> oh
17:31:14 <jroll> devananda: there's no video tools afaik, but will check
17:31:17 <dtantsur> jroll, no longer, but no video for linux people
17:31:19 <krtaylor> #openstack-sprint
17:31:28 <devananda> right - but there's audio?
17:31:32 <jroll> dtantsur: welp, that isn't happening then
17:31:44 <jroll> devananda: hm, I think video would be better honestly
17:31:56 <sambetts> Not sure, I can enquire, I think its been done before
17:31:58 <jroll> I like seeing all of your faces every 3 months :D
17:32:07 <dtantsur> ++
17:32:07 <lucasagomes> lol
17:32:07 <devananda> heh
17:32:10 <jroll> sambetts: ok, I'll bug you if we need to investigate
17:32:21 <jroll> btw, recording some things here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-mitaka-midcycle
17:33:50 <krtaylor> what about mumble?
17:34:28 <jroll> krtaylor: does it do video?
17:34:34 <krtaylor> checking
17:35:07 <jroll> looks like not yet, at a glance
17:35:24 <jroll> if we drop to just audio, I can totally set up a mumble or teamspeak server to keep it easy and open
17:35:27 <krtaylor> same, looks like its planned
17:36:19 <krtaylor> Ive used it for conferences before, lag is sometimes an issue, but with our own server that shouldnt be a problem
17:36:20 <jroll> I added an area to propose topics, feel free to add things
17:36:21 * dtantsur does not feel comfortable with audio-only
17:36:44 <jroll> dtantsur: noted, thanks :)
17:36:57 <krtaylor> that's cool, honestly I thought they had added it already
17:37:57 <zer0c00l> please make sure that it works on linux
17:38:01 * zer0c00l runs only linux
17:38:04 <dtantsur> oh definitely :)
17:38:07 * dtantsur too
17:38:31 <jroll> ditto.
17:40:23 <jroll> anything else to discuss?
17:40:33 <jroll> please add topics you care about!
17:40:48 <lucasagomes> zer0c00l, ++ or I won't join :-)
17:40:52 * lucasagomes have no windows
17:41:00 <lucasagomes> or OSX
17:41:39 <dtantsur> not particularly surprising for a redhatter :D
17:41:46 <rloo> how many people do we think we need to support in a video thingy?
17:42:08 <TheJulia> I think it would be good because body langugage is a good thing to be able to convey
17:42:32 <rloo> yahoo apparently can do hangouts with 15 max
17:42:35 <zer0c00l> my employer (yahoo) has hangouts , i have asked IT to see if it supports more than 10 people. Will update when i get response
17:42:39 <zer0c00l> rloo: oh okay
17:43:07 <zer0c00l> Then rloo is right
17:43:12 <jroll> rloo: added a list for signups so we can find out
17:43:22 <rloo> zer0c00l: i read it, haven't tried it, but we can test later :)
17:43:45 <rloo> jroll: ok, so if <=15, we can provide hangouts.
17:43:54 <jroll> cool, ty
17:44:37 <jroll> rloo: now that I look, that's true for any google apps user. so I can also provide up to 15 :D
17:44:48 <lucasagomes> teamspeak!!! /me used it when I played CS ages ago!
17:45:11 <dtantsur> we need to figure out bluejeans limit and if we can invite outsiders...
17:45:31 <rloo> jroll: :)
17:46:14 <jroll> lucasagomes: up until a year ago the nova team at rackspace used teamspeak :P
17:46:42 <JayF> jroll: TIL they don't anymore, lol
17:46:47 <lucasagomes> nice, brings me good memories
17:46:51 <jroll> heh
17:47:04 * NobodyCam has seen whole company meeting in bluejeans
17:47:18 <devananda> NobodyCam: with all presenting video at once?
17:47:36 <devananda> fwiw, I've only seen ~10 sharing video in bluejeans before
17:47:44 <NobodyCam> only one video source :(
17:48:16 <TheJulia> You know, I think I saw somebody fire up a bluejeans meeting with like 75 people and several people had working video
17:49:03 * mgould notes that's "several" and not "all" :-)
17:49:11 <TheJulia> yeah....
17:49:12 <devananda> jroll: do we want to ask folks to gather regionally?
17:49:14 <dtantsur> "Company officials announced May 14 that with Blue Jeans Release version 2.6, customers can now host meetings with as many as 100 participants, a significant jump over the previous limit of 25 people. Every participant can take part in the meeting through the audio and video, and up to the nine most recent speakers are seen on the screen, according to the vendor."
17:49:18 <TheJulia> a lot of the atendees would have turned off video
17:49:19 * dtantsur googled
17:49:35 <lucasagomes> dtantsur, nice one
17:50:09 <jroll> devananda: dunno, people can turn off video when not participating
17:50:30 <devananda> *nod*
17:50:35 <jroll> devananda: lots of people in front of individual screens tends to be better than a few rooms on video, from what I've experienced
17:51:06 <krtaylor> its better for audio, for sure
17:51:24 <jroll> yep
17:51:46 <jroll> infra pointed out we may want to try asterisk, but if folks aren't comfortable with audio only, I'm not really inclined to do so
17:51:52 <jroll> they don't have any answers for a video solution
17:53:24 <jroll> anything else or do we want to save 6 minutes?
17:53:34 <lucasagomes> maybe it's a dumb idea... but whatif we had a general audio-only thing. And then, when we start breaking up the groups to work on specific problems
17:53:41 <lucasagomes> the groups can go and create a video chat
17:53:51 <lucasagomes> I think hangouts would work for that
17:53:55 <dtantsur> audio-only for 15+ people, what can go wrong...
17:54:04 * krtaylor isn't sure more than 9 screens would be useful anyway
17:54:14 <jroll> lucasagomes: that's an idea too
17:54:37 <jroll> let's research the video solutions this week, see who signs up on the etherpad, and go from there
17:54:45 <lucasagomes> we can keep an etherpad with the links for the sessions and so on
17:54:48 <lucasagomes> jroll, ++
17:54:54 <jlvillal> Make sure we have a way to mute people :)
17:55:07 <dtantsur> jlvillal, bluejeans even has "mute all" ^_^
17:55:09 * jroll emails etherpad out
17:55:21 <jlvillal> When they start chatting with their co-workers and take off their headsets but we can still hear it :(
17:57:18 <jroll> alright, sounds like we're done for today
17:57:22 <jroll> thanks for joining everyone :)
17:57:25 <jroll> #endmeeting