16:01:32 <markvoelker> #startmeeting interopwg
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16:01:55 <mguiney> o/
16:01:59 <markvoelker> o/
16:02:02 <georgk> hi
16:02:10 <markvoelker> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropWhistler.1 Today's etherppd
16:02:30 <markvoelker> Hmm...which looks oddly sparse.  One moment.
16:03:51 <markvoelker> Ok, we have a pretty short agenda today as we noted that multiple folks would be out this week
16:04:00 <markvoelker> (Kubecon, life in general, etc)
16:04:35 <markvoelker> MOstly we just wanted to hit on a couple of points.  First up: wrapping up 2018.02
16:04:43 <markvoelker> #topic 2018.02 Guideline
16:05:12 <markvoelker> I spent some time last week picking through recent updates to Neutron and seeing what was out there in  terms of adoption
16:05:42 <markvoelker> I think that for this time around, we'll probably not propose anything new
16:06:08 <markvoelker> However, LBaaS might actually be worth looking at once we get it sorted in the vertical programs...adoption seems pretty high these days
16:06:35 <markvoelker> (this puts us right back in the "which implementation" spot, hence why I think we tackle it on the vertical side first and see how that goes)
16:07:37 <markvoelker> Any other comments on Neutron?
16:07:45 <markvoelker> (or on 2018.02 generally?)
16:08:03 <georgk> not from my side
16:08:23 <mguiney> nope!
16:08:38 <markvoelker> Ok, easy enough
16:09:30 <markvoelker> #topic add-on programs
16:09:55 <markvoelker> Not a whole lot to talk about here this week either with the small audience.  First up: NFV
16:11:20 <markvoelker> We had a little conversation last week about scenario tests that might be useful here.  georgk, anything particularly new to discuss there?
16:11:40 <georgk> I pushed an update after Luz´s review
16:11:58 <georgk> more reviews are appreciated.
16:12:10 <markvoelker> Oh, drat...I totally missed that somehow
16:12:18 <markvoelker> I'll have a look at it today, thanks!
16:12:20 <georgk> I´ll have a chat with the networking-bgp team tomorrow
16:12:30 * mguiney will check out
16:12:58 <georgk> to clarify what we need in terms of tests and to get input for the scoring
16:13:27 <georgk> one question: this seems to depend on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521602/
16:13:48 <georgk> any updates on this?
16:14:04 <markvoelker> Yeah, I was going to bring that up later in the agenda so let's talk about it now
16:14:17 <markvoelker> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521602/ Clarify testing for interop programs
16:14:46 <markvoelker> So there's been a little more discussion on the patch, but it seems a little stuck still.
16:15:17 <markvoelker> For the moment, I think we can proceed without worrying about it too much.  Basically: let's identify useful tests regardless of their current location.
16:15:39 <markvoelker> If the TC decides they want things to live in a particular place later, that's ok--we can work on moving them then.
16:15:59 <markvoelker> I do not think the TC would want the discussion around this patch to stall forward progress on interop programs. =)
16:16:13 <georgk> ok. technically refstack can pull in everything transparently due to the plugin mechanism?
16:16:20 <markvoelker> Pretty much, yes.
16:16:24 <georgk> ok, cool
16:17:45 <markvoelker> I would also encourage folks with opinions or comments (or comments on the existing comments) to chime in...the TC have been asking for more input on the matter
16:18:36 <markvoelker> On a somewhat related note, Designate is now a tc:approved-release project in case folks didn't see it
16:18:51 <markvoelker> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521587/ Add designate to the tc:approved-release tag
16:19:17 <georgk> thanks for the hint
16:20:21 <markvoelker> Ok, getting back to the NFV vertical patch just for the meeting notes...
16:20:28 <markvoelker> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/519732/ First attempt at scoring trunk ports for NFV vertical
16:21:25 <markvoelker> I'll have a look at this one in a bit.  For the question about which Tempest SHA to use: I generally do a test run and make sure the current HEAD revision is working, then record that.
16:21:48 <markvoelker> We can update it to be slightly more current after retesting once we get closer to finalizing the guideline
16:21:52 <georgk> ok, so we pin it to that hash
16:22:04 <georgk> ok
16:22:16 <markvoelker> Correct.  Bascially the SHA we put in here is a "known good" version at the time the Guideline is published.
16:22:38 <markvoelker> Folks are generally encouraged to use recent Tempests and many just use the current HEAD revision since it may contain bugfixes
16:22:52 <markvoelker> But if there's a problem, this SHA is a known-good point of reference.
16:23:03 <markvoelker> (e.g. newer revs can introduce bugs too)
16:23:33 <markvoelker> Ok, anything else on this todaY?
16:23:47 <georgk> one thing
16:24:06 <georgk> last week you mentioned that networking-bgp would be more ¨controversal¨
16:24:14 <georgk> I was wondering abot why
16:26:30 <markvoelker> Basically deployment and product inclusion I think.  I also recall some questions around what was really needed (e.g. something like bagpipe vs networking-bpb, etc)
16:27:47 <georgk> ok, from a NFV perspective, I think this feature is very well deployed. I even participated in interop testing between Ericsson, Cisco, Juniper and Nokia
16:28:25 <markvoelker> Hopefully less controversial than I'd feared then. =)
16:28:28 <georgk> I am more worried about it not meeting other criteria such as test coverage. But I´ll include that in the scoring
16:28:34 <georgk> ok, thanks
16:28:35 <markvoelker> ++
16:29:08 <markvoelker> Ok, short agenda today, anything else we need to talk about?
16:29:11 <markvoelker> #topic open floor
16:30:46 <markvoelker> Hearing nothing, I guess we get some time back in our workdays today. =)  Thanks folks!
16:31:00 <markvoelker> #endmeeting