16:00:35 #startmeeting interopwg 16:00:36 Meeting started Wed Sep 6 16:00:35 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:38 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:00:40 The meeting name has been set to 'interopwg' 16:00:41 o/ 16:00:57 #chair markvoelker hogepodge 16:00:58 Current chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker 16:01:06 o/ 16:01:26 #topic agenda 16:01:36 hi! 16:01:51 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropVertigo.14 16:02:15 everyone, please take a look at the agenda and update as needed! 16:02:33 #info No meeting next week due to PTG in Denver 16:02:42 o/ 16:03:06 #topic PTG 16:03:23 For those of you coming to Denver, have a look at the PTG schedule here: 16:03:28 #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xmOdT6uZ5XqViActr5sBOaz_mEgjKSCY7NEWcAEcT-A/edit#gid=397241312 PTG schedule 16:03:43 Interop/RefStack have Monday and Tuesday full-day sessions 16:04:26 Also, don't forget there's a BoD meeting on Sunday: 16:04:31 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/10Sep2017BoardMeeting BoD Meeting Info 16:04:50 On the schedule, please feel free to suggest other sessions or times. 16:04:59 i will be at the board meeting! anyone else planning to attend ? 16:05:12 eglute: I should be there too 16:05:22 markvoelker great! 16:05:23 markvoelker: eglute: if you feel we need more time for anything you can push things around. I loaded our mornings and left the late afternoons free 16:05:29 I'll be at the board meeting also 16:05:45 thank you hogepodge for working on the schedule. i will take a look in more detail 16:05:49 but so far looks good to me 16:05:54 * markvoelker notes that someone named Irma may yet mess with travel plans, but doesn't currently forsee issues 16:06:18 hogepodge markvoelker and i will be working on the board report as well, if anyone want us to note anything in that report, please let us know 16:06:37 we will be presenting to the board the new guidelines and asking for approval 16:07:10 * eglute hopes weather cooperates and Irma gets demoted to a sprinkle.... 16:07:21 One other important PTG note: team photos! 16:07:25 #info Team Photo will be Tuesday at 10:40am 16:07:57 You have to think about all sorts of things when you're a PTL 16:08:12 Oh, one item we might want to add to the agenda is converting from a WG to a SIG 16:08:13 * eglute wonders if we could dress up as onions for the photo shoot 16:08:37 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropDenver2017PTG InteropWG PTG schedule 16:08:39 The main benefit would be that we could roll RefStack into the Interop SIG 16:08:58 hogepodge please add that to the agenda then! 16:09:05 hogepodge: Seems reasonable to add; I know this has come up a couple of times over the past few weeks. 16:10:07 Yeah, I've been crabby about it. We change our names too much ;-) 16:10:35 Any other PTG-related items we want to discuss today? 16:11:30 Ok, let's move on then. 16:11:36 can't wait to see everyone there :D 16:11:43 #topic Extension programs 16:12:11 Let's take a quick pass at the queue as we have a few patches out 16:12:24 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492635/ Designate extenstion program 16:13:01 looks good to me!! 16:13:07 +2 :D thank you hogepodge 16:13:35 This one feels like we're pretty much in agreement on the basics. I'm still not sure I like the "ptl_proposed" achievement that we talked about the other week though. 16:14:19 How do other folks feel about that? 16:14:37 See line ~55 of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492635/2/extensions/dns.next.json for info 16:14:44 i think we should update that before it goes into required 16:15:00 but good for now 16:15:52 I can send a patch up right now removing it. 16:16:15 One concern for me is how the BoD might react to it, as this is not a criteria that has been in previous programs 16:16:59 markvoelker what do you propose? i think we talked about replacing it with something else before 16:17:21 I think it would make sense to ask for their guidance on it. Part of my reasoning was that we should be listening to project leadership, as they are the subject matter experts. 16:17:46 Personally I'm not sure we need it at all...using the criteria we have for Powered but scoping to an appropriate audience for an extension program seems sufficient to me. 16:18:15 Plus, I want to encourage all projects to generate their own guidelines that we can draw upon. 16:18:16 Talking to the PTL's/cores/other parts of the community is already something we do in Powered too. 16:18:36 hogepodge i agree on listening to PTL, but perhaps just having them document how things are scored? 16:18:39 But we don't explicitly mark their opinions as a reason for inclusion. 16:18:58 My main concern is that it boils down to an opinion of a small part of the community (and carries a relatively hefty weight). 16:19:34 or exclusion 16:20:16 All of this is negotiable, and since nothing is required the proposal cost is low. I can remove it though, either way it's no big deal to me. It's mainly there because I didn't know what criteria to include originally, so all my decisions as to what was added came from PTL suggestions. 16:20:22 That's the reason any capability is there. 16:20:59 Just let me know and I can adjust the patches. 16:21:20 Personally I'd favor removing it if no one has strong opinions in favor of keeping it.... 16:21:42 +1 on removal 16:23:01 * markvoelker doesn't hear anyone advocating for keeping so suggests we go ahead and remove it 16:23:36 +2 16:24:19 Ok, I'll keep an eye out for the update from hogepodge then, and we'll land this after that. 16:24:24 Sound good? 16:24:26 dns review updated 16:24:40 =) 16:24:56 kewl 16:25:22 uh wait, needs more work 16:25:44 Ok, let's talk about Heat while Jenkins runs and we get kinks ironed out... 16:26:02 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/490648/ Heat extension 16:28:02 So, a bit more discussion on this one. I think that last patch added stack-update and worked out a few organizational suggestions... 16:28:18 But I've not reviewed patchset 5 yet 16:29:03 err...6 now =) 16:29:34 (I'm getting on a plane soon so I'm motivated to finish off work) 16:29:36 Anyone else have things to say about the current set? 16:30:00 i need to review newest patches as well 16:31:12 my browser is having problems, so can't see :-( 16:31:58 Ok, let's see if we can polish this off in the next day or two then--I'd like to be able to show the preliminaries off to the BoD on Sunday 16:32:12 * markvoelker blocks a couple hours on his calendar 16:33:07 Anything else on the Heat extension? 16:33:25 same as you markvoelker need to do final review 16:33:34 no, nothing else 16:34:01 need to update based on comments on patch set 3, so another review is coming soon 16:34:09 thank you hogepodge 16:34:15 Ok, last one on the queue is this one then: 16:34:20 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472785/ Extensions draft 16:35:39 there are some good comments from hogepodge that i think need to be addressed 16:35:58 * hogepodge just pushed up another heat review, patch set 7 should be the final barring errors or new comments 16:36:16 eglute: markvoelker: we're planning on bringing this to the board on Sunday, right? 16:36:24 * luzC1 enter and sit at the back 16:36:28 it would be good if we did 16:36:50 Sure. Doesn't even have to be final--the Board's input would be welcome too. 16:37:37 I'll note that we've showed this to them once before as well (in June) 16:37:42 agreed 16:38:54 I plan on making a few touch-ups in the next day or so. One thing that would be nice to settle on: is "extension" the term we've agreed upon? =) 16:39:03 thank you hogepodge for patching things so quickly, will review! 16:39:26 * Rockyg luzC there's p;ent of room at the table ;-) 16:39:26 i think naming is up to foundation. hogepodge what have you heard? 16:39:39 plenty 16:40:10 ouch. bad timing on my correction. Sorry 16:40:29 Rockyg ;) 16:40:58 I don't really have much of an opinion on "add-on" vs "extension" vs something else personally 16:41:00 I'll take a look at the patches too... I'm a little behind on reviewing the extensions 16:41:01 haha, I think it's a community choice. 16:41:08 I've been saying extension because I like it better 16:41:32 I can ask the exec staff for their preferences though 16:41:35 I've been saying "add-on" because "extension" had a negative connotation for interoperability for a time there. =) 16:41:47 hogepodge i was thinking that marketing people might have some input 16:42:01 i do like add-on as well 16:42:21 But again, the name doesn't matter much to me...just trying to be consistent 16:42:21 but i do not have strong preferences for the names 16:42:59 agreed, for as long as we are consistent and marketing people approve :) 16:43:19 Ok, so I'll just pick one and stick with it when I update the patch and we can get feedback on a final name later. 16:44:33 Consensus from exec and marketing staff is "add on" 16:44:38 BTW hogepodge: by "logo assets are out of date" I assume you were talking about the old OpenStack 3D/shadow logo vs the new 2D one? 16:44:45 Ok, thanks...I'll go with that for now then 16:44:47 markvoelker: yeah 16:44:55 Cool, I'll update that too 16:45:02 I'll update language where I've used it. New patches coming soon :-D 16:45:13 thank you hogepodge 16:45:50 and thank you for checking with the exec and marketing staff! 16:46:06 Any other major issues we want to discuss with this one? 16:46:34 nope! 16:47:12 reminder for everyone to add yourselfs to the list on PTG agenda if you are attending in person or would like to join in remotely 16:47:24 #topic open floor 16:47:39 Anything else to talk about today folks? 16:48:00 I hope nobody was hit by Harvey and are away from Irma... 16:48:32 agreed 16:48:53 and away from the fires in the west 16:49:08 +1 16:49:18 hogepodge are you affected by the fires? 16:49:18 +1 16:49:24 and luzC1? 16:49:46 we got lots of pollution from them in the bay area. 16:50:00 Like visiting Beijing 16:50:16 there is ashes comming down 16:50:35 it's pretty bad here 16:51:02 One of the most beautiful natural areas in the PNW is on fire, and they don't expect it to recover to 100 years 16:51:09 :( 16:51:13 :( 16:51:24 :9 16:51:28 It's raining ash in the city, and they're cancelling school and advising people to stay indoors until the fires die down and the wind shifts 16:51:29 mguiney hogepodge and luzC1 i hope you are far away from it 16:51:29 :( 16:51:37 Still, it's nothing like what's happening in Texas 16:51:37 wow that is really really bad 16:51:54 it's been a natural disaster summer all around 16:52:12 yeah, the coast here is wrecked. as well as some other areas outside of San Antonio 16:52:16 How are the SA folks doing? Have you been impacted by the hurricane? 16:52:36 it skipped us, we barely got any wind and a bit of rain 16:52:59 north of SA got a lot of rain and wind 16:53:08 but still nothing as bad as Houston and the rest of the coast 16:53:31 markvoelker: Is your family ready for Irma? 16:53:45 I'll be keeping an eye on Irma as the latest tracks have it more likely to affect my area than before. I should be in Colorado when/if it comes to town though. 16:54:25 We're currently not expecting major issues in our area (beyond rain/wind/trees down/power out) but we're preparing for worse if necessary. 16:54:26 markvoelker i hope it skips your town... 16:55:09 I hope it skips everyone's town 16:55:15 SA had a gas shortage this last week. News went a bit crazy with their headlines and people panicked. 16:55:35 Rockyg agreed.. would be nice if it just died in the ocean. 16:55:42 ++ 16:56:18 Ok folks, stay safe and travel safe where ever you are this week! Hope to see most of you in Denver. 16:56:29 bye!! 16:56:35 #endmeeting