16:00:17 <markvoelker> #startmeeting interopwg
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16:00:31 <hogepodge> o/
16:00:32 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'interopwg'
16:00:35 <markvoelker> #chair eglute hogepodge
16:00:40 <openstack> Current chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker
16:00:43 <eglute> o/
16:00:48 <catherineD> o/
16:01:12 <markvoelker> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRoble.9 Today's Agenda
16:01:21 <markvoelker> Hopefully a quick meeting today. =)
16:02:00 <markvoelker> Thanks to folks who worked on the last handful of substantive patches for Cinder, Nova, and Swift...those have all landed now
16:02:14 <markvoelker> That means we're ready to cut the new 2017.01.json document
16:02:22 <eglute> yes, thanks everyone!!!
16:02:35 <markvoelker> Before we can do that, we need to correct a couple of small problems uncovered by our scripts
16:02:45 <markvoelker> Please take a quick look at:  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422029/
16:02:52 <markvoelker> #link  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422029/ Correct minor issues with next.json
16:03:19 <markvoelker> Nothing very controversial there, so hopefully we can merge that...now, ish. =)
16:03:57 <markvoelker> While you're in gerrit, please also take a look at:
16:04:09 <markvoelker> #link  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420877/ Fix project name of images-v2-index
16:04:27 <markvoelker> That one makes corrections to existing approved guidelines too...but it's just the project name for a particular capability
16:04:34 <markvoelker> (it was listed as Nova, should have been Glance)
16:05:00 <luzC> o/
16:05:01 <markvoelker> I think that falls under the Board's guidance that we can make nonsubstantive changes without requesting re-approval (though we will note the change for them)
16:05:43 <hogepodge> lgtm, I'll let Egle workflow that one
16:05:54 <markvoelker> Thanks hogepodge
16:07:06 <markvoelker> eglute if you're ok with that one I'll let it land before proceeding with cutting 2017.01
16:07:35 <eglute> yes, just waiting on jenkins right
16:08:09 * gema sneaks in and sits at the back
16:09:54 <eglute> Next topic I think!
16:09:59 <eglute> #topic ptg
16:10:10 <eglute> hogepodge any changes to the space?
16:10:31 <hogepodge> There is extra space, so if we need it we just have to ask for it.
16:10:48 <eglute> Lets ask for it!
16:11:24 <hogepodge> It's only available on MT though, and do we need it if we're splitting folks between InteropWG and Interop Challenge and RefStack?
16:11:56 <catherineD> eglute: hogepodge: For RefStack, I plan to only involve topic that need Tnterop WG 's input at the PTG
16:12:11 <gema> so you need us on the meeting as well
16:12:32 <catherineD> it would be just like what we did in the past where the RefStack will take about 2 - 3 hours
16:12:37 <catherineD> gema: yes
16:12:42 <gema> ok
16:12:58 <eglute> catherineD that works for me
16:13:03 <catherineD> igordcard: see your email and thinking we can discuss the schedule here
16:13:03 <gema> sounds good
16:13:30 <eglute> and i guess if it is the same people for interop challenge, then we cant split it, not on same days :)
16:13:36 <hogepodge> yeah, I don't want to ask for space then have us not use it because we conflict with ourselves
16:13:55 <gema> yep
16:14:01 <luzC> hogepodge +1
16:14:18 <hogepodge> markvoelker lost his internet, so eagle and I need to run the remainder of the meeting
16:14:19 <gema> it may make sense to work the 3 agendas into 1
16:14:28 <catherineD> hogepodge: I think it really a conflict among Interop WG, RefStack and QA
16:14:37 <gema> eagle, I like it :D
16:14:48 * eglute doesn't like it
16:14:54 <gema> eglute: sorry :)
16:14:55 <eglute> :D
16:15:20 <catherineD> so if it is OK I will add RefStack topic to the Interop WG etherpad just like the mid-cycle in the past
16:15:28 <eglute> in this case, please add more topics to agenda if you havent yet: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropWGAtlantaPTG
16:15:33 <eglute> catherineD yes please
16:16:17 <hogepodge> eglute: so I think I'm going to wave off on the space. are we ok with that?
16:16:35 <eglute> hogepodge I think we are!
16:16:50 <catherineD> so with that I think RefStack can take about 2 - 3 hour on Monday afternoon and let the Interop Challenge group to have half day on Tuesday
16:17:16 <eglute> it will be interesting to see how PTG will go, i am sure next time we will know better what works
16:17:27 <eglute> catherineD i think that would work
16:18:14 <hogepodge> catherineD: can you create a master PTG schedule so we can coordinate with Interop Challenge?
16:18:32 <hogepodge> catherineD: or should we just use Interop WG schedule and have challenge fill in there?
16:18:41 <catherineD> eglute: I really like to attend QA session but that is alos on MT so I think PTG just does not work well for RefStack where we want t work on improving testing topic
16:18:46 <eglute> hogepodge catherineD lets use this etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropWGAtlantaPTG
16:18:47 <hogepodge> catherineD: you're the owner of the space there, so it's your call
16:18:58 <gema> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/interop-challenge-meeting-2017-01-11
16:19:04 <gema> this is the agenda for challenge for the PTG
16:19:13 <catherineD> hogepodge: I think we an start with the interop wg one
16:19:37 <eglute> catherineD i agree, i think we would have been better off on different days, but probably too late to change the travel plans for some
16:19:45 <catherineD> and rename it to RefStack/.Interop WG just like what is being shown on the schedule
16:19:51 <catherineD> is that OK?
16:20:17 <hogepodge> catherineD: +1
16:20:28 <catherineD> eglute: yea at the summit we only have confilice in hours ... now with PTG we have conflict in days
16:21:04 <hogepodge> we'll make it work, we just have to be focused and efficient with our time
16:21:33 <eglute> hogepodge agree
16:21:48 <gema> +1
16:22:05 <eglute> we could have some informal work sessions on W/Th if people are still in atlanta as well
16:22:23 <gema> sounds good
16:22:32 <gema> to summarize conversations with other teams
16:22:38 <hogepodge> I'll be in Atlanta until Friday noon
16:22:42 <gema> me too
16:23:14 <hogepodge> Anything else on the PTG at this point?
16:23:15 <catherineD> so let's finalize do we use https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropWGAtlantaPTG ? or have a new eitherpad like https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/RefStackInteropWGAtlantaPTG
16:23:17 <eglute> I will send out doodle to see who will be in Atlanta what days if we need to have extra sessions
16:23:24 <catherineD> I do not mind either one?
16:23:28 <hogepodge> catherineD: let's use the first link
16:23:34 <eglute> +1 first
16:23:35 <catherineD> ok
16:24:05 <catherineD> then I will add RefStack topics to the eitherpad
16:24:15 <eglute> thank you catherineD
16:25:03 <eglute> next topic?
16:25:14 <eglute> #topic Schema v2.0
16:25:23 <eglute> hogepodge did you add this?
16:25:32 <catherineD> do we let inteop challenge to use Tuesday morning?
16:25:48 <hogepodge> yeah, I'm mainly surfacing it to bring it back to the top of my agenda
16:25:53 <hogepodge> nothing really to add yet
16:26:31 <hogepodge> I'll try to have a new patch up by next week
16:26:42 <eglute> thank you hogepodge
16:26:52 <catherineD> folk sorry can we talk a bit about the etherpad name
16:26:54 <eglute> catherineD I think we need to coordinate that...
16:27:00 <eglute> catherineD yes
16:27:06 <eglute> #topic ptg
16:27:14 <catherineD> soooryy ..
16:27:18 <eglute> :)
16:28:05 <catherineD> on second thought I think if the etherpad will be post some where official (I don't know it will do) I think the link should have RefStack on it since RefStack is the room requester ...
16:28:53 <catherineD> so with that can I suggest that we use the second link above and copy the content from the first to the second ?
16:28:59 <eglute> i am not attached to the name, so we can do that
16:29:19 <catherineD> eglute: thx
16:29:39 <eglute> hogepodge you ok with this
16:29:40 <eglute> ?
16:29:44 <hogepodge> yes, +1
16:30:45 <eglute> Ok, new ehterpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/RefStackInteropWGAtlantaPTG
16:30:55 <eglute> catherineD is this what you wanted?
16:30:59 <catherineD> THANK YOU!
16:31:23 <catherineD> eglute: yup that was supoer QUICK!!
16:31:48 <eglute> copy paste is my favorite activity :D
16:32:44 <eglute> so regarding the timing for the interop challenge
16:33:01 <eglute> hogepodge would Wed. also be available if we needed extra time?
16:34:01 <hogepodge> We're only allocated space for MT. We could hallway or coffee shop if Wed is needed
16:34:13 <eglute> hogepodge cool thanks
16:34:35 <eglute> so extra space is not available on other days?
16:34:40 <hogepodge> no
16:34:44 <eglute> ok!
16:34:56 <eglute> then we will need to work on the schedule
16:35:02 <catherineD> do everyone plan to be at PTG M - F?
16:35:30 <hogepodge> Can we list our availability in the planning ether pad?
16:35:38 <eglute> catherineD I will be sending out doodle to our mailing list to figure out who will be available when
16:35:43 <eglute> would that help?
16:35:53 <eglute> or just listing in ehterpad would also work
16:36:13 <catherineD> yup.. that would help to book ticket
16:36:41 <catherineD> air ticket
16:37:00 <hogepodge> Are we ready to move on? Anything else?
16:37:24 <catherineD> I am good sorry for the detour
16:37:36 <hogepodge> catherineD: no problem, it's important to work out
16:37:43 <eglute> there is an email that Mark sent out regarding scheduling to topol, so we will work out scheduling
16:37:52 <eglute> via email i think
16:38:09 <hogepodge> #topic Office Hours
16:38:41 <eglute> Rocky sent out email suggesting office hours
16:39:08 <eglute> I guess we are usually pretty responsive to the IRC chat, do you think we should have formal hours?
16:39:52 <hogepodge> I'm personally not a fan of office hours, having worked in environments where they were required before. It ties someone to a place without an agenda, and the attendance is low.
16:40:51 <hogepodge> I'm fine with scheduling time to talk with someone on IRC (I did this last week with someone who was setting up refstack-client), or talking about issues in formal meetings, email, or mailing list
16:41:07 <eglute> hogepodge i like that idea
16:41:12 <gema> same here, nobody ever shows up and you still need to be there
16:41:19 <hogepodge> that's just my thoughts on it, though
16:41:23 <gema> I am fine with people pinging me directly, though
16:41:35 <eglute> scheduling irc time for people that have questions would work better
16:41:42 <gema> yep
16:41:50 <eglute> especially in odd time zones
16:42:00 <luzC> totally agree
16:42:17 <gema> I am happy to cover europe TZ
16:42:29 <gema> if things are scheduled when needed
16:42:35 <eglute> we can formally put that on the wiki, that they can request some 1-1 time in IRC :)
16:42:53 <eglute> thank you gema!
16:43:37 <eglute> #action eglute update wiki with information on requesting scheduled IRC meetings to answer questions
16:43:54 <eglute> anything else on office hours?
16:44:07 <hogepodge> I want to be clear that I'm happy to be available to help, it's what I'm here for.
16:44:35 <eglute> hogepodge clear to me :) but we will make it officially clear on wiki :)
16:44:42 <hogepodge> Is rocky around? It sounded like she's in China right now.
16:44:55 <hogepodge> eglute: do you want to respond to the mailing list on this topic?
16:44:59 <eglute> i think our IRC channel looks low traffic, but i think people are always there available to chat
16:45:07 <eglute> hogepodge yes, i will respond
16:45:16 <catherineD> eglute: how would people request 1-1 schedile?
16:45:24 <eglute> #action eglute respond to Rocky's email on office hours
16:45:28 <gema> problem may be they don't know who to address the question to
16:45:32 <eglute> catherineD by email/irc :)
16:45:42 <gema> should we have a keyword that we all have as a highlighter in our clients?
16:46:09 <gema> that way whoever sees it first can reply
16:46:12 <eglute> i have a bouncer setup, so even when not around people should be able to leave messages for me. i think same is true with hogepodge
16:46:33 <gema> yeah, I also have bouncer, but I may not reply to a message unless it blinks on my client
16:46:34 <hogepodge> catherineD: if someone reaches out to me I'll respond. We can work out something formal, like a volunteer on-call list. I presume that the chairs and secretary would be available, and anyone else who wants to pitch in can add their name to the list.
16:47:11 <eglute> gema i usually keep an eye on our channel, and the last couple times mark and hogepodge got to it before me
16:47:12 <hogepodge> eglute: as of last week my bouncer service is much more reliable and will send me notifications when I'm offline
16:47:26 <eglute> hogepodge that sounds great
16:47:31 <gema> eglute: hehe, not needed then, I confess I am bad for that
16:47:33 <catherineD> I have some one kept pinging me on personal IRC in a different TZ ... but when I response that person is no longer online .. and I do not have email to response
16:48:13 <catherineD> that happens many time with the same person for RefStack question ... and I do not know how to solve that
16:48:51 <eglute> catherineD hm, do you know if they get offline messages? tell them to email you?
16:49:04 <catherineD> the person does not leave message on #refstack channel just ping me directly ..
16:49:41 <catherineD> no the perkson seems to be offline with no way for me to leave message ...
16:50:29 <catherineD> that sounds like I am not responsive but I really can not be on line at 4:00 am :-(
16:50:35 <eglute> catherineD that is challenging! I will update our wiki to make sure people email the list in this case, even if it is just an email to request time to talk in off-hours
16:50:54 <eglute> catherineD that sounds like they are not very considerate to time zone differences
16:50:58 <hogepodge> eglute: also update to have them send mail to interop@openstack.org
16:51:03 <gema> catherineD: leave an away message saying: please leave your contact details, I am not online atm
16:51:08 <eglute> hogepodge will do
16:51:13 <hogepodge> that's my official support channel for the foundation
16:51:17 <catherineD> eglute: yea that is the porlbem I try to solve for RefStack too
16:52:12 <catherineD> gema: good idea ... I have away message but did not ask for leaving message ... will do that
16:52:35 <eglute> anything else on office hours?
16:53:13 <eglute> #topic name change
16:53:29 <eglute> since Mark is still away, we will save this for next time
16:53:37 <eglute> unless anyone has anything else to add?
16:53:59 <eglute> #topic open discussion
16:54:16 <eglute> anything else today?
16:54:32 <hogepodge> Issue was raised on the mailing list about 2016.08 http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/interop-wg/2017-January/000019.html
16:54:48 <eglute> oh yes thanks hogepodge
16:55:09 <hogepodge> the public information is light, but they've mentioned to me that required security group settings on their cloud are tripping up the tests
16:55:34 <hogepodge> on networks-l2-CRUD
16:56:04 <hogepodge> I'm going to ask them to raise the issue more publicly, since I can't say personally one way or another if their issue is reasonable to flag a test on.
16:56:20 <catherineD> hogepodge: ++
16:56:36 <eglute> +1
16:56:48 <hogepodge> I want to encourage items like this to be brought up in the mailing list and meetings, because it's the only way we can tell how features are being deployed.
16:57:01 * eglute agrees
16:57:47 <eglute> anything else?
16:58:15 <hogepodge> nothing for me
16:58:20 <gema> nope
16:58:26 <luzC> no
16:58:27 <catherineD> I am good
16:58:35 <eglute> in that case, we will end 1 minute early!!!
16:58:36 <eglute> #endmeeting