20:00:19 #startmeeting Horizon 20:00:20 Meeting started Wed Oct 7 20:00:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:22 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:00:24 The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' 20:00:29 show yourselves 20:00:43 :) 20:00:47 hi 20:00:51 <_ducttape_> o/ 20:00:52 howdy 20:00:58 hello 20:01:02 [=_=]/ 20:01:07 o/ 20:01:09 hi 20:02:12 * david-lyle shakes bushes 20:02:34 ok let's get rolling 20:02:54 the agenda fro today 20:02:57 o/ 20:02:57 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon#Agenda_for_October_7_2000_UTC 20:03:14 #topic Liberty Status 20:03:32 RC-2 has been opened and translations merged 20:03:40 we also had two other patches land 20:03:47 o/ 20:03:53 #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/liberty-rc2 20:04:22 mrunge: reported a third bug, but as there is no fix for master yet, and PKI is being phased out by keystone 20:04:33 I don't think we should hold the release on it 20:04:42 <_ducttape_> can more docs be added to liberty? thinking the changes in themeing, had 1:1 talk w hurgleburgler earlier 20:04:48 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1503575 20:04:48 Launchpad bug 1503575 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "switching projects via project switcher does not work" [High,New] 20:05:09 _ducttape_: docs are not really possible this late 20:05:14 because of translation 20:05:20 <_ducttape_> ugg, that stinks 20:05:22 and string freezes 20:05:29 would be good, if someone could try to reproduce that bug at all. 20:05:37 I mean https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1503575 20:05:48 <_ducttape_> we use fernets, and we do not see it 20:06:03 great 20:06:07 * _ducttape_ wonders if fernets should be plural ? 20:06:18 sure internets is 20:06:33 are 20:06:36 hmmm 20:06:40 ferrets? 20:06:52 token delivery by ferret 20:07:09 <_ducttape_> which is faster than keystone (truestory) 20:07:21 deleting gets messy though 20:07:39 mrunge: isn't that related to cookie overflow? 20:07:56 <_ducttape_> thats what I was thinking lhcheng, thats the same behavior 20:07:58 lhcheng, I had even database backed sessions 20:08:03 ok, so I moved the above bug out of RC-2 and tagged as liberty-backport-potential 20:08:10 that was my first thought 20:08:54 bpokorny: don't you use PKI? 20:09:06 Yep 20:09:19 have you seen the above issue? 20:09:37 or would you have a chance to try and reproduce? 20:09:38 * bpokorny was just reading the above 20:09:43 mrunge: try setting OPENSTACK_TOKEN_HASH_ENABLED=False 20:10:03 I haven't seen that yet, but also haven't tried the latest master code in a while. 20:10:23 if the keystonemiddleware don't have caching, that might be another cause.. 20:10:28 I'll try that out with master and see if it works ok. 20:10:38 thanks bpokorny 20:10:41 np 20:11:09 RC-2 will be tagged tomorrow barring any show stoppers tonight 20:11:14 yes, thank you bpokorny 20:11:27 and then only something catastrophic would cause an RC-3 20:11:36 but final release is next week 20:11:56 so Liberty is close to final for us 20:12:06 questions/concerns about Liberty? 20:12:40 #topic https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Horizon/WeeklyBugReport 20:12:59 I think robcresswell is out and may not have this updated 20:13:05 * david-lyle looking 20:13:22 yes, that's from the previous meeting 20:14:06 4/6 bugs seem to be fixed 20:14:27 blueprints, not much progress 20:14:45 robcresswell says sorry cause he's sick, he'll update the list tomorrow 20:14:45 moving on 20:15:12 #topic Summit Session Planning 20:15:32 it's that time again to filter and finalize summit sessions 20:15:45 :) 20:15:47 the topic proposals are here: 20:15:48 performance! performance! 20:15:51 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-mitaka-summit 20:16:12 and the slots are 20:16:43 #link https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/horizon?iframe=yes&w=i:100;&sidebar=yes&bg=no 20:16:43 iframe FTW 20:17:24 I'd like to walk through and make sure we're not missing topics 20:17:45 tsufiev: you'll be interested to attend this: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-mitaka-summit-x-project 20:18:13 lhcheng, thanks, will add it to my list 20:18:18 that's grown a bit 20:19:45 x-project? 20:20:05 project X :) 20:20:21 sad, no cool name 20:20:26 or a keystone session? 20:20:26 o/ 20:20:43 cross project :) 20:21:13 lhcheng: it's a cross-project session proposal? 20:21:14 hmm time for a new project 20:21:20 * david-lyle still confused 20:21:41 keystone cross project 20:21:48 there's a proposal with zaqar folks for a cross-project-session as well 20:22:08 for tsufiev's requests of pagination for LDAP backend 20:22:22 lhcheng, it's not just me I suppose 20:22:43 * tsufiev is flattered for being the single source of the whole cross-project session 20:23:25 I don't see either of those on http://odsreg.openstack.org/ 20:23:26 tsufiev: you're the first person I thought :P 20:23:37 tsufiev: I'm sure others want it too 20:23:45 david-lyle, that is for sessions with > 2 projects 20:24:02 for zaqar, a session on wed. @4.40 would work 20:24:08 that'd be our slot 20:24:25 or wed @1.30 for zaqar, iirc. 20:24:36 lhcheng, so far we decided that filtering + users limit on keystone side + horizon notification in case exceeding users were truncated would solve the issue w/o introducing pagination API 20:24:36 cross-project overloaded 20:25:01 mrunge: david-lyle: i think cross project is for things that all projects are interested in. 20:25:20 hope another little keystone implementation detail won't ruin this brilliant plan 20:25:33 TravT: yes, but it's being used in another context here which was confusing me 20:25:51 david-lyle: each project has X amount of fishbowl sessions 20:25:52 yeah, i'm slightly confused about what mrunge is saying 20:26:06 david-lyle: and cross-project sessions themselves are all fishbowl 20:26:12 sorry to distract, let's move on to horizon sessions :) 20:26:12 should I try to rephrase? 20:26:32 i decided to use one of keystone as another cross-project session, but one that focuses on keystone 20:26:50 I started a proposal on the bottom of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-mitaka-summit 20:26:52 stevemar_: I understand how the summit works, trying to decipher what level the keystone topic was 20:26:58 we just need to fill in topics 20:27:18 stevemar_: ok 20:27:18 makes sense 20:27:38 will come and be argumentative^H^H^H^Hcollaborative 20:27:52 :) 20:28:48 ah, the nature of openstack :-D 20:30:01 mrunge: we don't have a wed 1:30 20:30:15 david-lyle, yes, but zaqar has 20:30:16 david-lyle: i really just wanted to kill the argument of pagination in keystone again 20:30:29 stevemar_: can we have pagination? 20:30:33 :p 20:30:36 <_ducttape_> so then keystone will support it? 20:30:39 <_ducttape_> ;) 20:30:41 oh yes please stevemar_ 20:30:42 lol ) 20:30:45 great! 20:31:04 <_ducttape_> stevemar_ said this would happen, he promised us all 20:31:15 or we'd come up with a ugly solution and blame keystone 20:31:17 this is going well, I think ;) 20:31:20 ;-) 20:31:45 do we have an idea on the fishbowls? 20:31:58 zaqar, ceilometer, etc might be a good fishbowl 20:32:19 go with it? 20:32:20 should we solicit input from operators at a fishbowl? 20:32:26 or how many do we have? 20:32:33 doug-fish: ++ give them an opportunity to burn effigies 20:32:40 operators would be great for a fishbowl 20:32:40 2 fishbowls 20:32:53 I worry operators are oversubscribed 20:33:04 but if they will attend, I like having the session 20:33:38 so, e.g thu 9:50 operators? 20:33:46 just for planing purposes? 20:34:26 I don't know how to predict/encourage them to come 20:34:32 that may work, I don't see an op track for then 20:34:45 looks like tues and wed for operators 20:37:56 best meeting ever, everyone typing in etherpad 20:38:23 reality, angular and the future is a topic I want early on 20:38:26 +1 20:38:33 sorry david-lyle : 20:38:38 should Wed @ 5:30 include a discussion of all client side impl as well? 20:39:03 r1chardj0n3s: I meant in a good way 20:39:22 otherwise I randomly pick topics 20:40:14 cross-domain tokens and federation stuff - does our horizon/keystone stuff need a whole session? 20:40:16 doug-fish: not sure I understand the scope of all 20:40:50 I think we could cover it on Fri if we're short on slots 20:41:07 K2K is the big hole right now 20:41:09 The end game for "all" might go as far as serving up the single static html and javascript and running completely client side 20:41:21 hmm, that's a good one to talk about 20:41:51 single page application might be the term you're fishing for 20:41:54 topic for operator session feedback is angular too 20:42:04 *a topic 20:42:17 doug-fish: no pun intended on "fishing" lol 20:42:21 :-) 20:42:22 oh damn, i didn't realize i was barging in on the meeting, my bad. 20:42:24 I guess it might be good for us to revisit the question posed in Paris and see if the answer we came up with there is still the one we agree on? 20:42:35 stevemar_: always welcome 20:42:36 no pagination for anyone! 20:42:39 stevemar_: now you're doing it again :-) 20:42:45 r1chardj0n3s, what was the question? 20:42:53 do we move to pure JS 20:42:56 we all know, 42 is the answer... 20:43:02 :) 20:43:16 j/k we can chat about it at the summit :) i have a plan doug-fish 20:43:25 is K2K important for others? 20:43:32 stevemar_ has a solution, everyone! woo! 20:43:51 doug-fish: I think others in the community, maybe not well represented in the current meeting 20:43:53 stevemar_ will solve pagination! 20:43:59 \o/ 20:43:59 \o/ 20:44:02 and world hunger 20:44:10 no promises on that one david-lyle 20:44:22 boo 20:44:31 by feeding pages to ... 20:45:19 ok, I think the grand question should be discussed again 20:45:29 single page or not to single page 20:45:47 i think we should devote one of the working session to covering plugins, how we are going to handle testing, translation, and the future angular work in it 20:45:47 looks like that later Wed session is the go there 20:46:01 yupp 20:46:26 I think someone who is on the angular front should try to write a plugin :) 20:46:45 considering that our path encourage people to develop their own plugins, we need to provide them the path of least resistance 20:46:53 r1chardj0n3s: already did :) 20:46:59 oh? 20:47:14 and it works beautiful i must say, i have a demo line up at the summit, be on the look out! 20:47:20 ok 20:47:26 great! 20:47:31 it also incorporated the workflow extenstion model we talked about at the midcycle 20:47:52 * tsufiev again says one word: Performance 20:48:04 wait, tsufiev :D 20:49:19 * tsufiev looking anxiously as the slots are being filled with shiny new things that work perfectly on devstack installations :/ 20:49:21 no, don't wait, we've only got 10 minutes of meeting left :) 20:49:40 tsufiev: these are just placeholders 20:49:45 nothing finalized 20:49:55 the point is to make people speak up 20:50:17 <_ducttape_> tqtran - ping me with your plugin session, would love to attend 20:51:02 david-lyle, ok, just consider this as a 'scale is coming' omen :) 20:51:36 tsufiev: scale has already arrived in some places and Horizon doesn't cope - I'd be interested :) 20:51:40 mrunge: ceilo has a conflict at 11:50, but maybe we could convince someone to attend 20:51:57 david-lyle, damn. 20:52:01 tsufiev: that's actually why I wanted to go down the JS road to begin with 20:52:12 scale and performance 20:52:13 david-lyle, I'm not sure, if zaqar would be the better option anyways... 20:52:20 neither are being realized yet 20:52:52 re: zaqar... i have had a few emails about how zaqar / searchlight might work together with horizon. was hoping to handle that discussion at the summit. 20:52:55 the scaling issues I run into are actually terrible performance of the APIs we're calling, so it's not going to be fixed with JS :) 20:53:16 <_ducttape_> +1 r1chardj0n3s 20:53:26 r1chardj0n3s, TravT will fix that for us with searchlight 20:53:34 mrunge: lolk 20:53:47 r1chardj0n3s: +1, the landing pages take looooong time to load 20:53:48 r1chardj0n3s: still it might be more palatable if multiple calls are being made in parallel, and you have a screen to look at 20:53:49 r1chardj0n3s: true, but gracefully requesting more data could be and representing a usable page without all the data is too 20:53:59 r1chardj0n3s, partly this can be fixed by improving APIs 20:54:15 <_ducttape_> david-lyle - that sounds like a DOS attack to me 20:54:19 the problem is that they seem weren't designed with a Horizon in mind 20:54:24 ... but what if apis don't support pagination? 20:54:29 just saying: the solution isn't just a simple "move to JS" :) 20:54:37 +1 r1chardj0n3s 20:54:39 r1chardj0n3s: I fully agree 20:54:40 <_ducttape_> +2 r1chardj0n3s 20:54:44 +1 20:55:04 that is going to be a long tiresome war... 20:55:06 and at this point we have work on things that don't benefit at all from it happening 20:55:11 so, what else did we had for sessions? 20:55:18 which goes back to the existential crisis 20:55:31 yes, save for Tokyo 20:55:41 <_ducttape_> I think tqtran's demo of ng plugin would be very helpful, my vote 20:55:43 on all of the above, i definitely would like to have discussion on searchlight. 20:56:27 should we make plugins a session? 20:56:46 <_ducttape_> sounds reasonable, there are a lot of new plugins in the last yr 20:56:51 TravT: searchlight and zaqar in the same session? fishbowl or work? 20:56:52 I did 20:56:56 mrunge: ^^ 20:57:03 Maybe a session on Domain/Federation/K2K and maybe HMT - to sequence the work if nothing else 20:57:03 4:40 Wed 20:57:11 right david-lyle 20:57:25 <_ducttape_> can tqtran have a slice of that time then david-lyle ? 20:57:31 r1chardj0n3s: i don't care when exactly it happens. might even be best in contributors meetup. 20:57:40 oh, "performance and scale" is already a session, searchlight can go there 20:57:49 ok 20:57:49 _ducttape_: nobody's claimed any time yet 20:57:51 just topic 20:57:53 s 20:58:06 <_ducttape_> 15 minutes of fame: how to write an ng plugin 20:58:14 * _ducttape_ should be in marketing 20:58:15 doug-fish, yes, that was my next thought: we had many keystone topics 20:58:20 do we want an all things keystone session then doug-fish? 20:58:30 sounds good to me 20:58:31 oh, when can we schedule the replacement of our testing environment with pytest please can we pleeeease? :) 20:58:47 I'd like to include stevemar_'s work on pagination from that session 20:58:54 s/include/exclude 20:59:15 david-lyle: FYI, i know i can't make the wed 4:40 and i was asked to go to a monasca / ceilometer session at 5:30 Wed. 20:59:17 r1chardj0n3s, just added, feel free to correct 20:59:32 r1chardj0n3s, what is the gain of using pytest? 20:59:55 tsufiev: I should write a BP :) 21:00:00 ok ) 21:00:21 r1chardj0n3s: you're signing up to rewrite all 1600 tests? 21:00:31 awesome r1chardj0n3s 21:00:32 cheers to r1chardj0n3s! 21:00:33 O_o 21:00:35 uh oh 21:00:40 david-lyle: it's the only possible way to understand them ;) 21:00:43 his minion seems worried, though 21:00:50 ٩(͡๏̮͡๏)۶ 21:00:50 haha 21:01:04 so, all slots are now filled. did we forget something? 21:01:10 beer 21:01:16 that's 3:30 Thur 21:01:21 and more beer, TravT 21:01:30 TravT, take beer to the sessions ;)? 21:01:31 Asahi! 21:01:34 _ducttape_: https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/schedule/main-conference heres the session, sorry someone was talking to me in the office 21:01:36 will there be a pre-summit meetup? 21:01:37 time's up. I think I have to finalize the sessions in the next week 21:01:40 would we be interested in an informal meetup before the summit starts? 21:01:42 got a bit distracted 21:01:43 monday night or something? 21:01:53 doug-fish, +1 /me! 21:02:02 sure! 21:02:08 +1 21:02:11 let's take it to the horizon channel 21:02:16 :D 21:02:38 there's actually not another meeting schduled in here 21:02:50 but let's go to #horiozn 21:02:58 #horizon 21:02:58 so, doug-fish will schedule a meetup 21:03:05 #endmeeting