22:01:39 <mrunge> #startmeeting Horizon
22:01:40 <openstack> Meeting started Tue Jan  7 22:01:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mrunge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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22:01:43 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'horizon'
22:01:57 <mrunge> hello and welcome
22:01:59 <jtomasek> hey
22:02:00 <lsmola> hello
22:02:06 <akrivoka> hey
22:02:14 <jcoufal-m> o/
22:02:17 <jpich> Hey
22:02:23 <bdehamer> hello
22:02:30 <jomara> ahoy
22:02:45 <mrunge> sadly, David can't attend right now, but he will join us later
22:03:11 <mrunge> let's have a brief look at the agenda
22:03:13 <mrunge> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon
22:03:31 <mrunge> #topic project update
22:03:49 <mrunge> icehouse-2 milestone is due on jan 23rd (?)
22:03:58 <mrunge> I may be wrong there
22:04:25 <mrunge> still, everything not merged next tuesday will be moved to icehouse-3
22:04:34 <jpich> Milestone-proposed branch cut-off is usually 2 days before the date
22:04:54 <mrunge> david mentioned something like january 14th
22:05:39 <mrunge> I'll take this as an opportunity, to look at bugs and blueprints targeted for i-2
22:05:48 <mrunge> https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/icehouse-2
22:06:38 <mrunge> currently, we have 13 bugs without code, one of them confirmed
22:06:52 <mrunge> and 19 bugs needing code reviews
22:07:17 <mrunge> shall we inspect them in more detail?
22:07:35 <lifeless> ttx: hallo from perth
22:09:47 <lsmola> mrunge, could you plese give this one high priority https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1266505
22:09:53 <mrunge> esp. I'd love to see both bugs with prio high merged for i-2 if possible
22:10:01 <lsmola> mrunge, prevents line chart from working
22:10:15 <lsmola> mrunge, and it is tribial fix
22:10:33 <mrunge> lsmola, done
22:10:37 <lsmola> mrunge, mvidori did too much refactoring :-)
22:10:40 <lsmola> thanks
22:10:46 <mrunge> and also targeted to i-2
22:10:55 <lsmola> cool, thank you
22:10:57 <MaxV> it is currently on merge
22:11:21 <mrunge> yes, I got a report, that the "select all" jscript doesn't work any more
22:11:35 <lsmola> MaxV, great, didnt noticed
22:11:36 <mrunge> but I didn't file a bug until now
22:12:01 <MaxV> mrunge: fill the bug I can make a quick patch
22:12:22 <mrunge> maxv will do tomorrow, as it's quite late here
22:12:25 <akrivoka> mrunge: that should be already fixed, I believe
22:12:27 <jpich> Didn't this get fixed recently?
22:12:31 <akrivoka> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61467/
22:13:00 <mrunge> jpich, yes, looks like it
22:13:04 <jpich> Thanks, akrivoka! I think a duplicate was filed since then
22:13:15 <mrunge> when did we release i-1?
22:13:23 <mrunge> the report is against i-1
22:13:51 <mrunge> so we might check it again
22:14:11 <mrunge> other important bugs to be targeted for i-2?
22:14:23 <jpich> i-1 was Dec 5th
22:14:37 <mrunge> yes,and it was merged on 27th
22:14:43 <mrunge> so, not included
22:15:09 <akrivoka> this is probably the new duplicate report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1266825
22:15:32 <mrunge> yupp,
22:15:36 <jpich> akrivoka: Yep, just updated it
22:15:38 <mrunge> looks like it
22:15:41 <mrunge> cool
22:16:01 <akrivoka> cool, thanks jpich !
22:16:10 <jpich> Np :)
22:17:24 <mrunge> does anyone know more about https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1265032 ?
22:17:38 <mrunge> it looks quite serious
22:18:32 <mrunge> at least, it will be difficult to debug in production, when that happens
22:18:48 <lsmola> mrunge, hmm from what I understood it just show wrong data for couple of minutes
22:18:51 <jpich> IMO it's always been the case so far, that it can take a bit of time for the floating IP to be displayed on the Instances page
22:20:10 <mrunge> as far as we don't rely on shown data
22:20:22 <mrunge> anything else?
22:20:56 <mrunge> #topic meeting time
22:22:05 <mrunge> thanks to lblanchard, we had the doodle
22:22:11 <mrunge> http://www.doodle.com/q8q6iu8gcqp6c4xa
22:22:42 <mrunge> and it looks like best times are 2 pm or 4 pm UTC
22:22:53 <mrunge> both are not ideal
22:23:35 <mrunge> at 2 pm, we'll exclude david-lyle , at 4pm we'll exclude amotoki
22:23:59 <mrunge> if anyone of you didn't answer the poll yet, please do so!!
22:25:06 <mrunge> opinions here?
22:25:34 <MaxV> done
22:26:08 <lsmola> mrunge, I guess we should ask amotoki and david-lyle which is less worse for them :-)
22:26:37 <mrunge> it's way early or very late for them...
22:26:54 <TheSheep> we could also try and ask people to relax their rules a little and add times that are not ideal for them, but still possible
22:27:10 <TheSheep> maybe another time will appear
22:27:28 <jcoufal-m> Done
22:27:31 <TheSheep> which is equally uncomfortable for everyone
22:28:16 <matty_dubs> The current time is OK for me (though I'm not actively doing Horizon right now), but I know it's already pretty inconvenient for, say, all of Europe.
22:28:18 <lsmola> TheSheep, :-)
22:28:30 <jpich> There's also the "alternate every week" solution that projects like Ceilometer are using to accommodate different timezones
22:28:47 <lsmola> jpich, yes
22:29:01 <mrunge> matty_dubs, well, this time gets worse for Europeans during summer time...
22:29:32 <akrivoka> I think for most of us located in the central europe, this will be a welcome change :)
22:30:08 <matty_dubs> jpich: That's not a bad idea. I think there comes a point where it's just impossible to get everyone in a meeting unless people are willing to call in at 3am or something.
22:30:19 <david-lyle_> o/
22:30:29 <lsmola> hello
22:30:33 <mrunge> hey david-lyle_ welcome back
22:30:43 <jcoufal-m> \o
22:30:45 <david-lyle_> Sorry I'm late
22:31:29 <mrunge> david, we just have talked about meeting time
22:31:37 <david-lyle_> I don't have any history so carry on
22:31:54 <mrunge> and it looks like 2 or 4 pm (UTC) is best
22:31:59 <mrunge> both are not idea
22:32:01 <mrunge> ideal
22:32:17 <mrunge> either we cut of amotoki or you
22:32:18 <david-lyle_> Poll didn't reveal a consensus seemed like
22:33:40 <lblanchard> o/ sorry I'm a bit late :)
22:33:50 <mrunge> david-lyle_, for 15 out of 20 persons those times would work
22:33:51 <lsmola> lblanchard, hello
22:34:06 <mrunge> which is something I didn't expect
22:34:21 <david-lyle_> Was I one? Can't remember :)
22:34:50 <mrunge> david-lyle_, http://www.doodle.com/q8q6iu8gcqp6c4xa is the poll
22:35:07 <mrunge> but it may be hard to read on a small display
22:35:32 <mrunge> I'd leave it to our PTL to decide that later ;-)
22:35:43 <david-lyle_> Ah yes.  I was thinking 2:00 utc
22:36:28 <david-lyle_> All right there were some late votes  I think.  I'll pick when I have a big screen
22:36:44 <mrunge> yes, that's quite early for you, I think. not sure if that could/would work for Australians
22:36:53 <mrunge> #topic Discuss integration of Tuskar UI
22:37:18 <mrunge> who brought the topic? who can enlighten us here?
22:37:32 <david-lyle_> I have not had a chance to work on coordinating this yet with the holidays
22:37:35 <lsmola> mrunge, me?
22:37:46 <lsmola> :-)
22:38:16 <david-lyle_> Need to get with infra and lifeless
22:38:18 <mrunge> lsmola, anything to add here?
22:38:42 <mrunge> david-lyle_, should we move it to the next meeting?
22:38:47 <lsmola> mrunge, well there was a consensus of what we want, so nothing to add from my side
22:39:11 <lsmola> david-lyle_, great, thank you
22:39:11 <david-lyle_> Yes, hopefully by that time we'll have it done
22:39:32 <lsmola> yaaaay
22:40:06 <mrunge> great
22:40:27 <mrunge> #topic open floor
22:40:31 <jcoufal-m> Awesome :)
22:40:38 <lblanchard> lsmola: With help from julim on requirements I was able to put together these: http://people.redhat.com/~lsurette/OpenStack/Horizon%20Admin%20Overview%20Pages_2.0.pdf
22:40:44 <mrunge> anything else?
22:41:01 <lblanchard> feedback from any and all is welcome…these are directed towards updating the admin overview page
22:41:04 <lsmola> lblanchard, excellent
22:41:16 <lblanchard> lsmola: currently working on the resource usage page
22:41:26 <lblanchard> lsmola: hope to have a design by next meeting to run by you :)
22:42:15 <david-lyle_> lblanchard:  looks good
22:42:29 <mrunge> it's quite full, right?
22:42:30 <lsmola> lblanchard, very cool, thank you
22:42:36 <lblanchard> david-lyle: thanks
22:42:39 <lblanchard> mrunge: it is
22:42:44 <mrunge> or it looks packed with stuff
22:42:46 <david-lyle_> Implementation detail, asynchronous data loading
22:43:00 <lsmola> lblanchard, I will check the overview pages tomorrow, to see what will be possible with current ceilometer
22:43:08 <mrunge> any chance to make it less dense?
22:43:24 <lblanchard> mrunge: I've talked to a number of solution architects about this in the past…they are not new users to these applications and would like to have as much information as needed on one screen…they will drill in for more details. We could think about pulling some details out though.
22:43:32 <lblanchard> mrunge: I hope to do some usability testing too!
22:44:01 <david-lyle_> It really is a dashboard view
22:44:09 <mrunge> lblanchard, are people used to look at those pages, e.g because others do it like this?
22:44:21 <david-lyle_> Is this for all users or admins?
22:44:28 <lblanchard> david-lyle: this is meant for admins
22:44:55 <david-lyle_> Limited subset for domain admins and members?
22:44:56 <lblanchard> mrunge: I think it depends on the user...
22:45:09 <lblanchard> mrunge: consumers who are looking at a new website might go running and hiding :)
22:45:36 <lblanchard> mrunge: but administrators want info…I will definitely ask around though about the density…I do agree it is pushing it!
22:45:50 <david-lyle_> Operators tend to want massive amounts of status especially  if there is the posibility of alarms
22:46:08 <mrunge> lblanchard, I like it, because it sums up a massive amount of data
22:46:13 <lblanchard> david-lyle: also, the idea would be to have a global area for alerts at the top
22:46:26 <lblanchard> we need to do some thinking around how to make this work best
22:46:29 <lsmola> mrunge, btw. the future plan is to make these pages configurable
22:46:30 <mrunge> and I assume, you get used to it.
22:46:45 <mrunge> lsmola, no. honestly?
22:46:52 <mrunge> then we need a database
22:46:58 <mrunge> to store config
22:47:06 <lsmola> mrunge, well why not, there will be a lot of ceilometer metrics
22:47:08 <lblanchard> lsmola, mrunge: configurable would be nice, but…if we know the users enough we won't need this :)
22:47:26 <mrunge> currently, horizon doesn't need that
22:47:27 <david-lyle_> We are approaching that eventuality I worry
22:47:28 <lsmola> mrunge, also specific to some users (they can add their own)
22:47:28 <lblanchard> it's kind of an excuse for not knowing EXACTLY what our users want…we should be able to figure it out!
22:47:52 <mrunge> sp we don't have to hazzle with database migrations and such stuff
22:47:57 <lblanchard> I think this would be an amazing start at least
22:48:10 <lblanchard> then we could run it by a bunch of people and continuously improve it
22:48:13 <mrunge> yes, a good step ahead
22:48:41 <david-lyle_> I imagine it will come in incrementally as far as patches anyway
22:48:53 <lblanchard> julim might have more feedback too, I will add this as a link to the BP and be sure to keep it updated
22:48:57 <lblanchard> david-lyle: for sure
22:49:04 <lsmola> yep, but it is a more distant future anyway
22:49:19 <lsmola> now we need the basics :-)
22:49:42 <david-lyle_> Exactly
22:50:15 <lblanchard> agreed
22:50:26 <mrunge> cool.
22:50:48 <mrunge> anything else?
22:51:17 <david-lyle_> I will try to release openstack -auth tomorrow
22:52:19 <mrunge> great david-lyle_ thank you. I'll try to add django-1.6 tests later then
22:53:00 <david-lyle_> If we can get things through the gate, we'll get support added
22:53:20 <mrunge> that would be good, I think
22:54:06 <david-lyle_> Matthias hopefully mentioned this already but there are only two weeks left in i-2
22:54:34 <david-lyle_> Anyone have any concerns other than the gate and reviews?
22:54:41 <lsmola> so till 22th?
22:54:55 <david-lyle_> Sounds right
22:55:00 <lsmola> ok
22:55:03 <jpich> Do we want i-2 stuff to be merged by Tuesday, or have code up for review by Tuesday?
22:55:21 <mrunge> david-lyle_, actually, I told, we need i-2 stuff merged next Tuesday
22:55:54 <david-lyle_> That would be saner as I fear we'll be fighting the gate for a while
22:56:05 <mrunge> but that might be simply wrong
22:56:12 <lsmola> ugh, we will need a ram
22:56:41 <mrunge> yes, the gate became a real pain during the last few days
22:56:42 <jomara> lsmola: you are a barbarian
22:56:43 <david-lyle_> Hopefully the full stop of today will not be a problem again
22:57:07 <lsmola> jomara, no, barbarian coulnt build a proper ram :-)
22:59:08 <mrunge> ok, thanks for coming
22:59:12 <david-lyle_> Thanks mrunge for hosting
22:59:13 <mrunge> #endmeeting