22:04:16 #startmeeting Horizon 22:04:17 Meeting started Tue Oct 29 22:04:16 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:04:18 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 22:04:20 The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' 22:05:13 Hello everyone, I jumping in 22:05:26 o/ 22:05:31 o/ 22:05:32 o/ 22:05:34 great, thank you david-lyle 22:05:56 I wasn't expecting to do this today, so free form 22:06:13 #topic general 22:06:36 The summit is next week, so I expect this to be a short meeting 22:06:49 But I'd like to make sure everyone's set 22:07:09 I wanted to let everyone know that I've started a thread around improving the Horizon Overview section: 22:07:11 http://ask-openstackux.rhcloud.com/question/59/improvements-to-horizon-overview/ 22:07:21 The design summit session plans are finalizing, and I don't think the Horizon sessions to move 22:07:27 are likely to 22:07:42 lblanchard, great 22:08:45 hopefully everyone is aware of http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/ 22:08:46 We probably should start adding etherpads links for the horizon sessions to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Icehouse/Etherpads 22:09:02 there's also a thread around improving the Information Architecture at http://ask-openstackux.rhcloud.com/question/1/openstack-ui-information-architecture/ 22:09:18 jpich: do the session proposers want to do that or just want me to? 22:09:32 jpich, good suggestion. that's still missing. 22:09:34 at least the starting page 22:09:35 This was a general comment for the session leaders 22:09:58 is there a template? 22:09:59 I should do the same :-) 22:10:20 I won't be able to attend this summit so I would much appreciate being able to follow along on the etherpads :) 22:10:27 ok, let's go with, if you proposed a session please add one, if any get missed, we'll add them by the time the session begins 22:10:47 +1 22:10:54 +1 22:11:39 who can change the wiki page linking to the pads? 22:11:43 mrunge: I think the etherpads remain pretty free form in general, as long as people can follow. The wiki page suggests ordering by project and session day otherwise 22:12:28 ok, what about ordering the overview page e.g alphabetically? 22:12:38 after project, I mean? 22:14:13 rather than by time/date? 22:14:17 mrunge: The advice at the top of the wiki suggests chronologically, which sounds reasonable to me 22:14:25 +1 22:14:38 well, tbh. that's nonsense 22:15:01 horizon will have at least three days 22:15:19 where do you order Tuesday and Tuesday? 22:15:38 down below 22:15:51 (Given, two projects have sessions on Tuesday) 22:15:52 each day for each project is listed out 22:15:57 by time 22:16:01 I meant, to order projects 22:16:13 nevermind. 22:16:40 ah, I see. I think first come first serve was the rule there 22:17:18 that would make sense 22:17:23 though 22:17:42 ok, then we should take our time to be the last on the page? ;-) Just to have it easier to find our sessions? 22:17:45 ;-) 22:17:48 I don't think that matters much, unless someone feels up to reorganising the whole page :-) 22:18:08 ok, some more serious to add here? 22:20:03 Other than getting ready for the summit and making sure we log things well in the etherpads, does anyone have anything to address? 22:20:26 noting your previous comments julim 22:20:40 and lblanchard 22:20:47 I'm not sure this is the right place, but I have a blueprint that I would like to get into horizon... 22:21:05 good a place as any :) 22:21:09 sorry I am late. All makes sense for me 22:21:17 Hi everybody :) 22:21:22 :-) 22:21:24 hello 22:21:29 hi jcoufal 22:21:43 I'm not sure what I should do to start a discussion on it 22:22:10 rdopieralski: proposing the blueprint is probably the best place to start 22:22:26 in launchpad and we can use that as a talking point 22:22:31 david-lyle: it's here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/formset-data-table 22:22:43 rdopieralski: A mail to the dev list is usually a good way to start a discussion. If you're looking for getting it accepted into icehouse, make sure to set the "Milestone proposed" field and the PTL will review it 22:22:57 Milestone all set, cool :-) 22:23:58 looks good. I think with the summit coming up we (I) haven't been spending as much time looking through the blueprints, yours looks like a good starting point 22:24:06 It's something that doesn't have an immediate use in horizon itself, but we do use it in tuskar-ui 22:24:32 ok, so I just need more patience, thanks 22:24:42 and reviews posted too 22:24:59 yeah, post release haze :) 22:26:21 I would like to make sure we make a little advertisement time in the early sessions for the OpenStack-UX unconference session that jcoufal will be scheduling 22:26:26 reading rdopieralski's post, we really need to separate and clearly distinguish between Horizon and OpenStack Dashboard :) 22:26:54 I know mrunge agrees with you 22:26:59 hahaha 22:27:10 david-lyle: I should go as the second in the row, so I can self-advertise :) 22:27:47 true 22:28:51 but yes the projects state to have very different goals 22:29:54 I also wanted to point out the toshi posted a WIP for a wizard in Horizon, a component I think we're sorely missing 22:30:04 Nice! 22:30:33 jupp, great! 22:30:34 yeah, I already spoke with rdopieralski who was interested in this one 22:30:36 yes, this would be an awesome addition! 22:31:01 I haven't gone through it and he considered it rough, so not sure the effort to get it finished, but a nice starting point either way 22:31:39 I'd really like to see some beginner use cases simplified with wizards 22:32:13 david-lyle, to be honest, i would rather see something like angular.js going in, rather than jquery validate plugin, but otherwise it looks like a good start 22:33:09 lsmola_: I think that's something we need to address at the summit, how much do we need to maintain the non-js experience in the code base going forward 22:33:22 may end up being a hallway conversation 22:33:22 david-lyle: +1000 22:33:46 a clear policy on the use of js would be a big help 22:33:47 david-lyle, with angular.js there can be functional non js + proper client side layer 22:34:08 david-lyle, +1002 to talks about that :-D 22:34:44 Well, we'll make a point of it then. 22:35:07 anyone in the meeting other than lblanchard not able to make it to the summit? 22:35:38 david-lyle, i am not coming either :-( 22:35:46 me, but I'm not important 22:35:52 lol 22:36:05 you're here, thus you're important 22:36:08 :) 22:36:08 david-lyle, I will try to hack some web cam in the hallway though :-) 22:36:24 lsmola_: mount it on a quadcopter 22:36:33 rdopieralski, hehe 22:36:33 lsmola_: if you give me a picture of you and I can introduce you ;) 22:36:34 well, then I want to make sure we include you in the conversation somehow 22:36:53 lsmola_: you could take the less creepy route and do a google hangout :) 22:36:55 s/and// 22:37:01 rdopieralski, sure you are important, you have to make my code right :-D 22:37:04 perhaps a blueprint as a starting point 22:37:50 yeah, I think blueprint + mail to ML 22:38:01 we'll have to see what the IT infrastructure is like this time 22:38:05 jcoufal, lol 22:38:11 lsmola_: I'm just interested in the final decision, whatever it is is fine by me 22:38:54 alright, any other discussion topics? 22:40:35 ok, well no Horizon meeting next week of course. and we'll see how well the networking is working to attempt remote inclusion beyond the etherpads. 22:40:51 david-lyle: thanks!! 22:40:55 telepathy? :-D 22:41:12 I'm looking forward to seeing those who can make it next week. 22:41:21 Let's call it a short meeting. 22:41:26 #endmeeting