22:04:16 <david-lyle> #startmeeting Horizon
22:04:17 <openstack> Meeting started Tue Oct 29 22:04:16 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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22:04:20 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'horizon'
22:05:13 <david-lyle> Hello everyone, I jumping in
22:05:26 <jpich> o/
22:05:31 <lblanchard> o/
22:05:32 <lsmola_> o/
22:05:34 <mrunge> great, thank you david-lyle
22:05:56 <david-lyle> I wasn't expecting to do this today, so free form
22:06:13 <david-lyle> #topic general
22:06:36 <david-lyle> The summit is next week, so I expect this to be a short meeting
22:06:49 <david-lyle> But I'd like to make sure everyone's set
22:07:09 <lblanchard> I wanted to let everyone know that I've started a thread around improving the Horizon Overview section:
22:07:11 <lblanchard> http://ask-openstackux.rhcloud.com/question/59/improvements-to-horizon-overview/
22:07:21 <david-lyle> The design summit session plans are finalizing, and I don't think the Horizon sessions to move
22:07:27 <david-lyle> are likely to
22:07:42 <lsmola_> lblanchard, great
22:08:45 <david-lyle> hopefully everyone is aware of http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/
22:08:46 <jpich> We probably should start adding etherpads links for the horizon sessions to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Icehouse/Etherpads
22:09:02 <julim> there's also a thread around improving the Information Architecture at http://ask-openstackux.rhcloud.com/question/1/openstack-ui-information-architecture/
22:09:18 <david-lyle> jpich: do the session proposers want to do that or just want me to?
22:09:32 <mrunge> jpich, good suggestion. that's still missing.
22:09:34 <david-lyle> at least the starting page
22:09:35 <jpich> This was a general comment for the session leaders
22:09:58 <mrunge> is there a template?
22:09:59 <jpich> I should do the same :-)
22:10:20 <lblanchard> I won't be able to attend this summit so I would much appreciate being able to follow along on the etherpads :)
22:10:27 <david-lyle> ok, let's go with, if you proposed a session please add one, if any get missed, we'll add them by the time the session begins
22:10:47 <mrunge> +1
22:10:54 <julim> +1
22:11:39 <mrunge> who can change the wiki page linking to the pads?
22:11:43 <jpich> mrunge: I think the etherpads remain pretty free form in general, as long as people can follow. The wiki page suggests ordering by project and session day otherwise
22:12:28 <mrunge> ok, what about ordering the overview page e.g alphabetically?
22:12:38 <mrunge> after project, I mean?
22:14:13 <david-lyle> rather than by time/date?
22:14:17 <jpich> mrunge: The advice at the top of the wiki suggests chronologically, which sounds reasonable to me
22:14:25 <david-lyle> +1
22:14:38 <mrunge> well, tbh. that's nonsense
22:15:01 <mrunge> horizon will have at least three days
22:15:19 <mrunge> where do you order Tuesday and Tuesday?
22:15:38 <david-lyle> down below
22:15:51 <mrunge> (Given, two projects have sessions on Tuesday)
22:15:52 <david-lyle> each day for each project is listed out
22:15:57 <david-lyle> by time
22:16:01 <mrunge> I meant, to order projects
22:16:13 <mrunge> nevermind.
22:16:40 <david-lyle> ah, I see.  I think first come first serve was the rule there
22:17:18 <david-lyle> that would make sense
22:17:23 <david-lyle> though
22:17:42 <mrunge> ok, then we should take our time to be the last on the page? ;-) Just to have it easier to find our sessions?
22:17:45 <mrunge> ;-)
22:17:48 <jpich> I don't think that matters much, unless someone feels up to reorganising the whole page :-)
22:18:08 <mrunge> ok, some more serious to add here?
22:20:03 <david-lyle> Other than getting ready for the summit and making sure we log things well in the etherpads, does anyone have anything to address?
22:20:26 <david-lyle> noting your previous comments julim
22:20:40 <david-lyle> and lblanchard
22:20:47 <rdopieralski> I'm not sure this is the right place, but I have a blueprint that I would like to get into horizon...
22:21:05 <david-lyle> good a place as any :)
22:21:09 <jcoufal> sorry I am late. All makes sense for me
22:21:17 <jcoufal> Hi everybody :)
22:21:22 <lsmola_> :-)
22:21:24 <lsmola_> hello
22:21:29 <david-lyle> hi jcoufal
22:21:43 <rdopieralski> I'm not sure what I should do to start a discussion on it
22:22:10 <david-lyle> rdopieralski: proposing the blueprint is probably the best place to start
22:22:26 <david-lyle> in launchpad and we can use that as a talking point
22:22:31 <rdopieralski> david-lyle: it's here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/formset-data-table
22:22:43 <jpich> rdopieralski: A mail to the dev list is usually a good way to start a discussion. If you're looking for getting it accepted into icehouse, make sure to set the "Milestone proposed" field and the PTL will review it
22:22:57 <jpich> Milestone all set, cool :-)
22:23:58 <david-lyle> looks good.  I think with the summit coming up we (I) haven't been spending as much time looking through the blueprints, yours looks like a good starting point
22:24:06 <rdopieralski> It's something that doesn't have an immediate use in horizon itself, but we do use it in tuskar-ui
22:24:32 <rdopieralski> ok, so I just need more patience, thanks
22:24:42 <david-lyle> and reviews posted too
22:24:59 <david-lyle> yeah, post release haze :)
22:26:21 <david-lyle> I would like to make sure we make a little advertisement time in the early sessions for the OpenStack-UX unconference session that jcoufal will be scheduling
22:26:26 <jcoufal> reading rdopieralski's post, we really need to separate and clearly distinguish between Horizon and OpenStack Dashboard :)
22:26:54 <david-lyle> I know mrunge agrees with you
22:26:59 <mrunge> hahaha
22:27:10 <jcoufal> david-lyle: I should go as the second in the row, so I can self-advertise :)
22:27:47 <david-lyle> true
22:28:51 <david-lyle> but yes the projects state to have very different goals
22:29:54 <david-lyle> I also wanted to point out the toshi posted a WIP for a wizard in Horizon, a component I think we're sorely missing
22:30:04 <jpich> Nice!
22:30:33 <mrunge> jupp, great!
22:30:34 <jcoufal> yeah, I already spoke with rdopieralski who was interested in this one
22:30:36 <lblanchard> yes, this would be an awesome addition!
22:31:01 <david-lyle> I haven't gone through it and he considered it rough, so not sure the effort to get it finished, but a nice starting point either way
22:31:39 <david-lyle> I'd really like to see some beginner use cases simplified with wizards
22:32:13 <lsmola_> david-lyle, to be honest, i would rather see something like angular.js going in, rather than jquery validate plugin, but otherwise it looks like a good start
22:33:09 <david-lyle> lsmola_: I think that's something we need to address at the summit, how much do we need to maintain the non-js experience in the code base going forward
22:33:22 <david-lyle> may end up being a hallway conversation
22:33:22 <jcoufal> david-lyle: +1000
22:33:46 <rdopieralski> a clear policy on the use of js would be a big help
22:33:47 <lsmola_> david-lyle, with angular.js there can be functional non js + proper client side layer
22:34:08 <lsmola_> david-lyle, +1002 to talks about that :-D
22:34:44 <david-lyle> Well, we'll make a point of it then.
22:35:07 <david-lyle> anyone in the meeting other than lblanchard not able to make it to the summit?
22:35:38 <lsmola_> david-lyle, i am not coming either :-(
22:35:46 <rdopieralski> me, but I'm not important
22:35:52 <lblanchard> lol
22:36:05 <david-lyle> you're here, thus you're important
22:36:08 <david-lyle> :)
22:36:08 <lsmola_> david-lyle, I will try to hack some web cam in the hallway though :-)
22:36:24 <rdopieralski> lsmola_: mount it on a quadcopter
22:36:33 <lsmola_> rdopieralski, hehe
22:36:33 <jcoufal> lsmola_: if you give me a picture of you and I can introduce you ;)
22:36:34 <david-lyle> well, then I want to make sure we include you in the conversation somehow
22:36:53 <lblanchard> lsmola_: you could take the less creepy route and do a google hangout :)
22:36:55 <jcoufal> s/and//
22:37:01 <lsmola_> rdopieralski, sure you are important, you have to make my code right :-D
22:37:04 <david-lyle> perhaps a blueprint as a starting point
22:37:50 <jcoufal> yeah, I think blueprint + mail to ML
22:38:01 <david-lyle> we'll have to see what the IT infrastructure is like this time
22:38:05 <lsmola_> jcoufal, lol
22:38:11 <rdopieralski> lsmola_: I'm just interested in the final decision, whatever it is is fine by me
22:38:54 <david-lyle> alright, any other discussion topics?
22:40:35 <david-lyle> ok, well no Horizon meeting next week of course.   and we'll see how well the networking is working to attempt remote inclusion beyond the etherpads.
22:40:51 <lblanchard> david-lyle: thanks!!
22:40:55 <lsmola_> telepathy? :-D
22:41:12 <david-lyle> I'm looking forward to seeing those who can make it next week.
22:41:21 <david-lyle> Let's call it a short meeting.
22:41:26 <david-lyle> #endmeeting