07:01:31 #startmeeting heat 07:01:32 Meeting started Wed Jun 10 07:01:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 07:01:33 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 07:01:35 The meeting name has been set to 'heat' 07:01:36 o/ 07:01:40 #topic rollcall 07:01:47 hi 07:01:52 o/ 07:01:55 o/ 07:02:04 hi 07:02:12 hi 07:03:08 #topic Adding items to the agenda 07:03:10 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-06-10_0700_UTC.29 07:03:15 o/ 07:03:21 shardy: hai! 07:03:32 sorry I'm late 07:04:51 feel free to add anything, or paste it here. lets move on in the meantime 07:04:53 #topic heat reviews https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews 07:05:02 * asalkeld in-n-out - making food for kids 07:05:23 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178046/ is stale, I'll remove it for now 07:06:05 I'd ask to review this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180539/ 07:06:30 KanagarajM: I'll make https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1353670 a High 07:06:31 Launchpad bug 1353670 in heat "Stack Abandon is unsafe" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Kanagaraj Manickam (kanagaraj-manickam) 07:06:33 after that I think, that new job will be green for all clients patches :) 07:06:45 and we will make it voting 07:06:57 stevebaker: sure. 07:08:32 skraynev: what is post_test_hook for? 07:08:57 ah, heatclient 07:09:32 stevebaker: aha :) for launching functional tests with env variables on the gate 07:09:41 its already in the list 07:10:15 no change to the Core feature changes (convergence etc). reviews would be welcome 07:10:19 stevebaker: ok, just wanted to give update about it ;) 07:10:39 skraynev: I'll take a look tomorrow, unless it is approved before that 07:10:50 stevebaker: cool! thx 07:11:43 lots of specs to review 07:12:28 looks like about half of them might be close 07:13:34 #topic High priority bugs 07:13:53 take a look at the link in the agenda, too big to paste here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-06-10_0700_UTC.29 07:14:44 I'm not seeing anything new there 07:15:20 no, many could be medium priority 07:15:42 there are a bunch of High, In Progress which could be put in the heat-reviews list 07:15:51 I'll do that tomorrow 07:15:55 ok 07:16:48 We could discuss what to do about https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1463531 07:16:50 Launchpad bug 1463531 in heat "get_attr doesn't work with block_device_mapping" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Rabi Mishra (rabi) 07:17:23 is rabi around? 07:17:36 ramishra: ^^ 07:17:37 rather, about the general issue of validation failing early because non-created resources result in get_attr returning None 07:18:31 I'm not sure https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190008/ would help 07:19:10 stevebaker: there is a spec that will help 07:19:11 None due to not specified is different to None due to get_attr eval 07:19:33 property groups 07:19:41 KanagarajM: ^ 07:20:02 that will at least see if a value is provided 07:20:27 stevebaker: the other option is to look at self.properties.data['property'] 07:20:30 asalkeld: yes, it should take care 07:20:44 that should "see" if a value is provided 07:21:18 asalkeld: while evaluating the depenedecy prps. 07:21:31 asalkeld: I have met a lot of potential places, where we can get same issue 07:21:50 yip, it's a common problem 07:22:04 asalkeld: yeah, we'll need to decide if resource validation methods need to be aware of provided None vs default None, or if we can handle this in a general way 07:23:00 asalkeld: maybe something like self.properties.is_provided('property') 07:23:09 stevebaker: sure 07:23:12 KanagarajM: which blueprint? 07:23:17 stevebaker: amounts to the same thing doesn't it? We just need to differentiate (provided, default) from get_attr? 07:23:51 but then indirect get_attrs are still tricky e.g nested stacks, hence the strict_validate workaround.. 07:23:51 stevebaker: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172386/ 07:24:37 KanagarajM: ah, so it just makes more of our validation declarative? 07:24:56 stevebaker: yes. 07:25:23 that would help, we probably need a solution for python validation too 07:26:13 #topic Open Discussion 07:26:31 stevebaker: I missed to ask about a spec, 07:26:46 Monasca resource plugin https://review.openstack.org/174262 07:27:35 I have recently updated to remvoe the contrib entry 07:27:47 based on the decision made in summit. 07:28:07 KanagarajM: I'm sure you could start that blueprint with the expectation that the spec will be approved soon 07:28:34 stevebaker: sure :) Thanks. 07:28:50 I'd like to discuss this spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183506/9 about batching 07:30:02 ochuprykov: what is the question about it? 07:30:41 The fact that this spec needs to exist is super sad :/ 07:30:44 asalkeld: the main observations were about common parts between asg and resource_group 07:31:21 ochuprykov: yes that seems like a valid concern 07:31:48 stevebaker: if it makes sense 07:31:59 sure 07:32:06 therve: why ? 07:32:18 why is it sad ? 07:32:25 skraynev: because we've got two parallel implementations of essentially the same thing :( 07:32:27 skraynev, "Nova doesn't work, let's work around it in Heat" 07:32:34 ochuprykov: i think just a little section on what code can/can't be shared 07:32:37 oh, and that too ;) 07:32:38 shardy, Well that too 07:32:44 shardy: not the same 07:33:09 shardy: I decided to remove min_in_service from properties as not relevant 07:33:18 ochuprykov: functionally, they do the same thing, the diverged implementation is a historical mistake 07:33:22 shardy: as soon as we made aws vs. openstack resources that was going to be the case 07:33:26 which, ideally, it would be good not to perpetuate 07:33:33 therve: honestly, I think that each project on scale with 100 input requests will fails.... 07:34:01 shardy: then we should only do aws resources? 07:34:13 i think not :-O 07:34:20 shardy: batching can be applied to create, and not only to update of existing resources 07:34:28 therve: anyway I agree, that it's not Heat work in the perfect world :) 07:34:47 asalkeld: No, I don't really get why you would say that, inheriting from the AWS implementation was also a mistake 07:35:09 I thought we agreed to refactor so we had a library of *group functions, like many months ago 07:35:24 but we're still discussing how to duplicate functionality in multiple places instead 07:35:37 ok, so you just worried about using library code? 07:35:52 shardy: 2 main parts that can be common: create_templates and _rolling_update 07:36:09 asalkeld: I just would prefer we didn't end up with (potentially complex and hard to maintain) batch replacement code in two or more places 07:36:30 but _rolling _update in this case have different logic 07:36:57 shardy: we dont' live in a perfect world 07:37:10 shardy: so you suggest to make a refactoring with moving common functions for this case. and after that add batching to resource_group, right? 07:37:10 no need to have min_in_service instances worked during batching 07:37:16 i'd rather have the feature than not 07:37:22 asalkeld: Sigh, yeah I know, I'm just proposing we stop the divergence, if possible :) 07:37:44 skraynev: if that can be done in a sane way, yes 07:38:03 can we agree to share implementation as much as sanely possible? 07:38:06 but there is no many common parts 07:38:37 we have different rolling_update logic and different _create_template method 07:38:40 Hi 07:38:41 ochuprykov, Because ResourceGroup just doesn't suport the feature 07:38:53 If it did there would be more common parts 07:38:58 ochuprykov: that is the whole problem... 07:39:18 some places of code can be moved to stack_resource 07:39:36 but this implies to many changes on dependant classes 07:39:47 Yes 07:40:02 i'd rather not to do such refactoring in this spec 07:40:05 ochuprykov: rathe move code out of classes and into utility fuctions 07:40:15 ochuprykov: why not? 07:40:22 * shardy sighs 07:40:23 it's a part of development 07:40:36 shardy: can you explain more details of what you want in the spec review? 07:40:44 hard to explain stuff here 07:40:54 asalkedl: we will get ugly functions with many parameters and if-else logic dependant on resource type 07:41:19 asalkeld: Ok, I already stated my opinion, but I can do some deeper analysis if ochuprykov isn't keen to do it 07:41:29 (I've already commented on the review) 07:41:36 ok 07:41:58 i'll look at the spec too - tomorrow 07:42:22 * asalkeld is getting hungry watching everyone else eat supper 07:42:41 anything else? 07:42:50 or I shall #endmeeting 07:42:58 call it 07:43:06 #endmeeting