08:03:39 #startmeeting ha 08:03:40 Meeting started Mon Jun 20 08:03:39 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 08:03:41 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 08:03:43 The meeting name has been set to 'ha' 08:03:54 hi everybody, welcome to another HA meeting 08:04:02 I think I finally got the time right this week! 08:04:14 :) 08:04:45 #topic administravia: future meetings 08:04:54 Is beekhof prefer -1h or +2h from current time? 08:05:14 we may change the time again in the near future, so that it also suits beekhof 08:05:16 y 08:05:28 I have collected preferential times from most people so far 08:05:46 but if you haven't yet sent me your preferred times, please do so 08:05:52 * aspiers kicks the meetbot 08:06:33 #action aspiers to figure out a meeting time best for everyone, and submit a review to change the time 08:06:43 hmm, meetbot died? 08:07:02 might be a feature 08:07:05 hah 08:07:23 #help 08:07:28 hi ddeja :) 08:07:54 aspiers: hi 08:08:17 sorry, just reporting meetbot issue to #openstack-infra 08:08:27 aspiers: oh, like two weeks ago... 08:08:35 ddeja: oh really? 08:08:43 aspiers: yup 08:09:24 aspiers: meetbot is definitely not in HA ;P 08:09:36 haha 08:10:05 the #openstack-infra status says static.openstack.org is currently being rebuilt 08:10:15 but that should be unrelated 08:10:31 jhesketh is taking a look right now 08:11:01 anyone know any good jokes while we wait? ;-) 08:11:31 morning \o/ 08:11:35 hi haukebruno :) 08:11:49 jhesketh: if it helps, meetbot is still responsive to private /msg 08:12:02 aspiers: you probably know that one... https://d21ii91i3y6o6h.cloudfront.net/gallery_images/from_proof/3442/large/1418280711/die-cut-stickers.png 08:12:05 hi haukebruno and ddeja 08:12:20 ddeja: haha, good one :) 08:12:33 hi samP :) 08:12:53 aspiers: you can actually order such sticker... would be a hit on summit ;) 08:13:03 ddeja: great idea 08:13:18 ddeja: would make a good hoodie too 08:13:29 haha, yes :D 08:13:38 i love it 08:13:52 even rms / FSF would approve of that 08:14:29 https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.en.html 08:14:44 since we are talking about hoodies and waiting for the meetbot... http://www.redbubble.com/people/dynamitfrosch/works/21125529-git-pull?grid_pos=1&p=t-shirt&style=raglan 08:14:46 oops, I might get kicked from the channel for sharing anti-cloud propaganda :) 08:15:03 lol 08:15:06 lol 08:15:09 evil one, aspiers 08:15:53 I want one of the "Well it worked on Devstack" T-shirts 08:16:17 jhesketh: any chance of fixing meetbot in next few minutes, or should we just continue the meeting without the bot? 08:16:45 aspiers: I can't see anything obviously wrong with it 08:16:59 well not immediately sorry 08:17:00 #topic test 08:17:40 it's not dead, it's just resting 08:18:38 jhesketh: hmm, well is there a way of feeding the logs back into it later on? 08:18:45 aspiers pining for the fjords? 08:18:47 jhesketh: or at least putting them on eavesdrop? 08:18:59 aspiers: yeah there shoudl be a way 08:19:05 carry on with the meeting I would suggest 08:19:13 jhesketh: ok will do - thanks a lot! 08:19:35 odyssey4me: exactly :) or it's just stunned :) 08:19:51 alright 08:20:47 haukebruno, ddeja, beekhof, samP, beekhof, Dinesh_Bhor: sorry for the distraction - let's resume 08:20:55 ok 08:21:00 #topic user story 08:21:22 so we had some more progress with reviews last week, and now I think there is only one review left to merge 08:21:44 which is one I submitted to expand the definition of the problem the user story tackles 08:21:51 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329964/ 08:22:08 please take a look if you can 08:23:25 samP: I also talked with some colleagues about the new usage scenarios, and we were wondering if the maintenance mode bit could be covered by pacemaker (crm node maintenance etc.) 08:24:29 aspiers: I would like to know the details. Its in ML or ? 08:24:51 samP: no, I was at a team meeting in Germany so I talked to them 08:25:17 ok, i'll take a look. but it wont be right now 08:25:17 samP: to me it seems there are two types of maintenance: reactive and proactive 08:25:22 beekhof: thanks 08:25:27 aspiers: ah, Thank you. Is there any way we can discuss about it? 08:25:32 samP: reactive is after an unexpected failure 08:25:53 samP: sure, we can discuss a small bit now, but also on #openstack-ha any time 08:26:03 samP: proactive is before any failure 08:26:16 samP: and the desired behaviour would probably be different for both 08:27:30 samP: one of my colleagues also suggested that the scope of the openstack UI (horizon / CLI / API) is managing stuff inside the cloud, whereas managing cloud infrastructure is the responsibility of vendors 08:27:54 I think that's a fairly accurate representation of openstack right now, at least 08:28:18 in which case maybe it doesn't make sense to try to build infrastructure management UIs into openstack 08:28:28 but I'm not sure 08:28:30 aspiers: OK, reactive failures, that would be fine. cause, node have already facing some problems and must do the maintenance anyway. 08:29:41 samP: the actions required would be different in reactive case vs. proactive case 08:30:06 samP: but they both depend a lot on how the cloud was deployed / monitored 08:30:19 aspiers: IMHO yes. lets say you want to do a pre planned maintenance. 08:30:23 we didn't reach any clear conclusions though 08:32:04 shall we quickly discuss the specs? 08:32:25 I think we could continue the maintenance discussion in #openstack-ha 08:32:49 #topic specs 08:33:02 today I finally have free time to continue work on specs 08:33:12 last 2 weeks I was at workshops in Germany, so didn't have time :( 08:34:57 aspiers: Spec repository is set-up, doesn't it? 08:35:04 ddeja: yes 08:35:10 ok, cool 08:35:16 ddeja: sorry, I mean it exists 08:35:27 ddeja: but I am still setting up the skeleton repo contents 08:35:35 oh, OK 08:35:37 ddeja: I will focus on that today, so that other people can benefit ASAP 08:35:46 great 08:35:58 great, thanks. 08:36:28 any other topics people want to discuss? I don't have anything else right now 08:36:32 #topic AOB 08:37:03 oh, I talked to the chairman of OpenStack board about the idea of having a dedicated HA track in Barcelona :) 08:37:16 he said he would look into it 08:37:32 oh, that's really great :) 08:37:33 would be great 08:37:35 I'll let you all know if there any developments 08:37:50 is that for Instance HA or general HA? 08:37:54 samP: all HA 08:38:07 great, 08:38:15 also, I forwarded my openstack-dev mail about the user story to openstack-operators, and I got one reply privately 08:38:22 so only two replies in total 08:38:35 which is a bit disappointing 08:38:45 aspiers: aa yes Jhon for doctor 08:38:58 but I think when we have some specs ready it will be a lot easier to promote awareness 08:39:40 any other topics? if not we can close the meeting 08:39:56 aspiers: sorry it was Tomi for Nokia ( Doctor team) 08:40:08 samP: yes, that was one of the replies 08:40:21 the other one was private, unfortunately I can't say who 08:42:22 ok no more topics, so let's close 08:42:40 as usual if you think of anything, please raise on #openstack-ha 08:42:48 #endmeeting