08:03:39 <aspiers> #startmeeting ha
08:03:40 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Jun 20 08:03:39 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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08:03:43 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'ha'
08:03:54 <aspiers> hi everybody, welcome to another HA meeting
08:04:02 <aspiers> I think I finally got the time right this week!
08:04:14 <chenpengzi> :)
08:04:45 <aspiers> #topic administravia: future meetings
08:04:54 <samP> Is beekhof prefer -1h or +2h from current time?
08:05:14 <aspiers> we may change the time again in the near future, so that it also suits beekhof
08:05:16 <beekhof> y
08:05:28 <aspiers> I have collected preferential times from most people so far
08:05:46 <aspiers> but if you haven't yet sent me your preferred times, please do so
08:05:52 * aspiers kicks the meetbot
08:06:33 <aspiers> #action aspiers to figure out a meeting time best for everyone, and submit a review to change the time
08:06:43 <aspiers> hmm, meetbot died?
08:07:02 <beekhof> might be a feature
08:07:05 <aspiers> hah
08:07:23 <aspiers> #help
08:07:28 <aspiers> hi ddeja :)
08:07:54 <ddeja> aspiers: hi
08:08:17 <aspiers> sorry, just reporting meetbot issue to #openstack-infra
08:08:27 <ddeja> aspiers: oh, like two weeks ago...
08:08:35 <aspiers> ddeja: oh really?
08:08:43 <ddeja> aspiers: yup
08:09:24 <ddeja> aspiers: meetbot is definitely not in HA ;P
08:09:36 <aspiers> haha
08:10:05 <aspiers> the #openstack-infra status says static.openstack.org is currently being rebuilt
08:10:15 <aspiers> but that should be unrelated
08:10:31 <aspiers> jhesketh is taking a look right now
08:11:01 <aspiers> anyone know any good jokes while we wait? ;-)
08:11:31 <haukebruno> morning \o/
08:11:35 <aspiers> hi haukebruno :)
08:11:49 <aspiers> jhesketh: if it helps, meetbot is still responsive to private /msg
08:12:02 <ddeja> aspiers: you probably know that one... https://d21ii91i3y6o6h.cloudfront.net/gallery_images/from_proof/3442/large/1418280711/die-cut-stickers.png
08:12:05 <samP> hi haukebruno and ddeja
08:12:20 <aspiers> ddeja: haha, good one :)
08:12:33 <ddeja> hi samP :)
08:12:53 <ddeja> aspiers: you can actually order such sticker... would be a hit on summit ;)
08:13:03 <aspiers> ddeja: great idea
08:13:18 <aspiers> ddeja: would make a good hoodie too
08:13:29 <ddeja> haha, yes :D
08:13:38 <beekhof> i love it
08:13:52 <aspiers> even rms / FSF would approve of that
08:14:29 <aspiers> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.en.html
08:14:44 <ddeja> since we are talking about hoodies and waiting for the meetbot... http://www.redbubble.com/people/dynamitfrosch/works/21125529-git-pull?grid_pos=1&p=t-shirt&style=raglan
08:14:46 <aspiers> oops, I might get kicked from the channel for sharing anti-cloud propaganda :)
08:15:03 <aspiers> lol
08:15:06 <haukebruno> lol
08:15:09 <haukebruno> evil one, aspiers
08:15:53 <aspiers> I want one of the "Well it worked on Devstack" T-shirts
08:16:17 <aspiers> jhesketh: any chance of fixing meetbot in next few minutes, or should we just continue the meeting without the bot?
08:16:45 <jhesketh> aspiers: I can't see anything obviously wrong with it
08:16:59 <jhesketh> well not immediately sorry
08:17:00 <aspiers> #topic test
08:17:40 <aspiers> it's not dead, it's just resting
08:18:38 <aspiers> jhesketh: hmm, well is there a way of feeding the logs back into it later on?
08:18:45 <odyssey4me> aspiers pining for the fjords?
08:18:47 <aspiers> jhesketh: or at least putting them on eavesdrop?
08:18:59 <jhesketh> aspiers: yeah there shoudl be a way
08:19:05 <jhesketh> carry on with the meeting I would suggest
08:19:13 <aspiers> jhesketh: ok will do - thanks a lot!
08:19:35 <aspiers> odyssey4me: exactly :) or it's just stunned :)
08:19:51 <aspiers> alright
08:20:47 <aspiers> haukebruno, ddeja, beekhof, samP, beekhof, Dinesh_Bhor: sorry for the distraction - let's resume
08:20:55 <beekhof> ok
08:21:00 <aspiers> #topic user story
08:21:22 <aspiers> so we had some more progress with reviews last week, and now I think there is only one review left to merge
08:21:44 <aspiers> which is one I submitted to expand the definition of the problem the user story tackles
08:21:51 <aspiers> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329964/
08:22:08 <aspiers> please take a look if you can
08:23:25 <aspiers> samP: I also talked with some colleagues about the new usage scenarios, and we were wondering if the maintenance mode bit could be covered by pacemaker (crm node maintenance etc.)
08:24:29 <samP> aspiers: I would like to know the details. Its in ML or ?
08:24:51 <aspiers> samP: no, I was at a team meeting in Germany so I talked to them
08:25:17 <beekhof> ok, i'll take a look. but it wont be right now
08:25:17 <aspiers> samP: to me it seems there are two types of maintenance: reactive and proactive
08:25:22 <aspiers> beekhof: thanks
08:25:27 <samP> aspiers: ah, Thank you. Is there any way we can discuss about it?
08:25:32 <aspiers> samP: reactive is after an unexpected failure
08:25:53 <aspiers> samP: sure, we can discuss a small bit now, but also on #openstack-ha any time
08:26:03 <aspiers> samP: proactive is before any failure
08:26:16 <aspiers> samP: and the desired behaviour would probably be different for both
08:27:30 <aspiers> samP: one of my colleagues also suggested that the scope of the openstack UI (horizon / CLI / API) is managing stuff inside the cloud, whereas managing cloud infrastructure is the responsibility of vendors
08:27:54 <aspiers> I think that's a fairly accurate representation of openstack right now, at least
08:28:18 <aspiers> in which case maybe it doesn't make sense to try to build infrastructure management UIs into openstack
08:28:28 <aspiers> but I'm not sure
08:28:30 <samP> aspiers: OK, reactive failures, that would be fine. cause, node have already facing some problems and must do the maintenance anyway.
08:29:41 <aspiers> samP: the actions required would be different in reactive case vs. proactive case
08:30:06 <aspiers> samP: but they both depend a lot on how the cloud was deployed / monitored
08:30:19 <samP> aspiers: IMHO yes. lets say you want to do a pre planned maintenance.
08:30:23 <aspiers> we didn't reach any clear conclusions though
08:32:04 <aspiers> shall we quickly discuss the specs?
08:32:25 <aspiers> I think we could continue the maintenance discussion in #openstack-ha
08:32:49 <aspiers> #topic specs
08:33:02 <aspiers> today I finally have free time to continue work on specs
08:33:12 <aspiers> last 2 weeks I was at workshops in Germany, so didn't have time :(
08:34:57 <ddeja> aspiers: Spec repository is set-up, doesn't it?
08:35:04 <aspiers> ddeja: yes
08:35:10 <ddeja> ok, cool
08:35:16 <aspiers> ddeja: sorry, I mean it exists
08:35:27 <aspiers> ddeja: but I am still setting up the skeleton repo contents
08:35:35 <ddeja> oh, OK
08:35:37 <aspiers> ddeja: I will focus on that today, so that other people can benefit ASAP
08:35:46 <ddeja> great
08:35:58 <samP> great, thanks.
08:36:28 <aspiers> any other topics people want to discuss? I don't have anything else right now
08:36:32 <aspiers> #topic AOB
08:37:03 <aspiers> oh, I talked to the chairman of OpenStack board about the idea of having a dedicated HA track in Barcelona :)
08:37:16 <aspiers> he said he would look into it
08:37:32 <ddeja> oh, that's really great :)
08:37:33 <haukebruno> would be great
08:37:35 <aspiers> I'll let you all know if there any developments
08:37:50 <samP> is that for Instance HA or general HA?
08:37:54 <aspiers> samP: all HA
08:38:07 <samP> great,
08:38:15 <aspiers> also, I forwarded my openstack-dev mail about the user story to openstack-operators, and I got one reply privately
08:38:22 <aspiers> so only two replies in total
08:38:35 <aspiers> which is a bit disappointing
08:38:45 <samP> aspiers: aa yes Jhon for doctor
08:38:58 <aspiers> but I think when we have some specs ready it will be a lot easier to promote awareness
08:39:40 <aspiers> any other topics? if not we can close the meeting
08:39:56 <samP> aspiers: sorry it was Tomi for Nokia ( Doctor team)
08:40:08 <aspiers> samP: yes, that was one of the replies
08:40:21 <aspiers> the other one was private, unfortunately I can't say who
08:42:22 <aspiers> ok no more topics, so let's close
08:42:40 <aspiers> as usual if you think of anything, please raise on #openstack-ha
08:42:48 <aspiers> #endmeeting