18:04:59 #startmeeting gluon 18:05:00 Meeting started Wed Jul 13 18:04:59 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:05:02 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:05:04 The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' 18:05:17 hi 18:05:21 #hello, welcome to Gluon kick off meeting 18:05:25 hi. Vince here 18:05:30 Hi Paul, 18:05:33 Hi Vince 18:05:43 Hi 18:06:05 hi 18:06:06 Hi 18:06:10 Hi Georg 18:06:16 Hi Guys 18:06:16 Hi All 18:06:18 Hi Tom 18:06:25 Hi all guys 18:06:58 The meeting agenda is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Gluon/Agenda-20160713 18:07:16 and welcome everybody 18:07:30 #topic Roll Call 18:07:41 #info Bin Hu 18:07:52 #info Tom Hambleton 18:07:53 #info Georg Kunz 18:07:54 #info Vince Button 18:07:59 #info 18:08:08 #info Jeff Collins 18:08:13 #info kamal__ 18:08:32 #info Paul Carver 18:08:41 #topic Admin Update 18:08:55 #info Kamil Renczewski 18:09:03 This is our first, kick-off meeting 18:09:30 We will miss DJ because of his another overlapping meeting 18:09:40 Not sure if Ian is here or not 18:10:15 So we have had our repo setup 18:10:28 and wiki (skeleton) setup too. 18:10:47 can we add stuff to today's agenda? 18:10:55 And we can start to work in our repo and wiki 18:11:02 Sure 18:11:10 what do you propose to discuss? 18:11:21 Openstack Barcelona presentations 18:11:25 Etherpad locations 18:11:39 Good suggestion. 18:11:41 yea, since they are do today 18:12:04 Let me finish quick admin update, and we can discuss your suggestion first 18:12:19 great! 18:12:36 From admin perspective, we need to have official election of PTL 18:13:00 no you don't, you just have to decide within your group 18:13:22 you only have to participate in the official elections if you are listed in the governance/projects.yaml file 18:13:41 I see. Thank you for the information 18:13:47 welcome 18:14:18 who wants the job? put your name forward. 18:14:26 Ok, we can decide within our group 18:14:52 If no one else volunteer, perhaps I can volunteer to this job 18:14:56 bin +1 18:14:57 Bin, I thought you were the PTL 18:15:27 Thank you Vince and Tom 18:15:50 Any other suggestion or volunteer? 18:16:23 I would say Ian but I don't think he has time. Bin I think you would be a good choice. 18:16:48 Thank you Jeff. 18:16:52 Bin +1 18:16:56 same here 18:17:05 I'm fine with Bin being the PTL 18:17:16 Bin +1 18:17:22 Bin +1 18:17:39 Thank you everyone 18:17:41 Bin +1 18:18:22 And let us rotate every 6 month or so - the OpenStack way of operation 18:18:27 ok 18:18:38 Bin looks like you are PTL 18:18:41 whats next on the agenda? 18:18:49 Thank you. 18:19:11 #info Group unanimously elected Bin as PTL 18:19:39 #topic OpenStack Barcelona Presentation and Etherpad Location 18:20:01 Next topic is Barcelona presentation, becasue due time is midnight today 18:20:33 We have prepared 2 submissions 18:20:51 One is more strategic level and business oriented 18:21:12 And the other one is technical level and implementation-centric 18:21:54 Vince, I assume you want to discuss the strategic submission (Panel)? 18:22:03 Sure 18:22:09 #info https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/call-for-presentations/manage/15732/summary 18:22:23 Haseeb created the original. 18:22:45 I made some edits to make it less technical, and based on Ian's suggestion submitted it with Openstack 18:23:13 Presenters should be able to edit, but the full verbage is in the email also 18:23:24 Is it actually submitted even though we can still edit it? 18:23:40 Ian, me, Jeff and Marco can edit up till the deadline 18:23:49 yes. Please make updates right up to the deadline 18:24:02 ok, then it auto-finalizes? 18:24:02 Toby as moderator for some reason cannot edit it. 18:24:17 yes. It finalizes at the deadline 18:24:24 I was about to ask if Toby can edit it or not 18:24:24 ok 18:24:45 email us any edits if you are not a presenter 18:24:47 So he cannot, but I think he is fine with it 18:24:56 can you post a link without the "mange" in the URL 18:25:05 I cannot access it at all like this 18:26:10 the latest email is current. Please send edits via email and Jeff, me, Ian or Marco can add them. 18:26:36 or if we have an etherpad we could edit collaboratively and periodically upload the changes 18:26:37 I don't see a link without the manage part 18:26:51 I think it is the system limitation. Once it is finalized and open for vote, everyone can see it 18:27:04 ok, well 18:27:42 The technical one is https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/call-for-presentations/manage/15092/summary 18:28:13 It was drafted by me, and edited by Nikolas, Tom and commented by Ian 18:28:48 Let me share with you via email too because non-presenter cannot see it 18:29:04 thanks bh526r 18:29:05 yes, please 18:29:21 after this meeting (I am off VPN now, and cannot send/receive email) 18:30:30 any other things on this topic? 18:30:33 Here is an ether for the panel 18:30:34 https://etherpad.opnfv.org/p/Gluon_OpenStack_Panel 18:31:55 cool, let me post it there too to save everyone's time 18:32:04 ok 18:32:29 great jeff. I was doing that simultaneously. you type faster 18:32:43 :) 18:34:05 Can everyone review both submissions and +1 by email later 18:34:21 yes 18:34:28 yes, will do that 18:35:59 OK, just posted to Etherpad 18:36:53 Please review, and email any changes needed, or +1 18:37:15 ok, anything else on this topic? 18:37:56 move to next item 18:38:02 #topic Discussion of Repository Structure 18:38:36 We have old repo in github 18:38:55 when we move to new repo, some optimization/restructure is needed 18:39:10 Ian had some idea, and Tom had some suggestions 18:39:37 Because Ian is absent now, Tom, can you share your proposal? 18:39:57 I think we need to talk about process. I am new to the Openstack tools. 18:40:22 I started documenting a proposal for the repo structure. 18:40:32 Great 18:40:49 I think the correct approach is to create a blueprint and put it in the gluon-specs repo 18:41:02 Then people can review it and provide feedback. 18:41:26 We currently do not have a gluon-specs repo. 18:41:52 Also, how are we going to track tasks within this project? Launchpad or Storyboard? 18:42:02 I think blueprint is hosted in Launchpad 18:42:37 I think other projects use Launchpad to track the tasks 18:43:08 I haven't used Storyboard, Launchpad does use the term blueprint and that is used by many projects. 18:43:21 So you can create BP in Launchpad for your proposal of repo structure, and everyone can review it, comment it, and eventually approve it 18:43:49 task traacking is hard in Launchpad. 18:44:05 Try storyboard. Or look at trello.com 18:44:12 I think we should have an audio conference to discuss how to get started. Some projects have a -specs repository for such documents 18:44:19 blueprints are mostly intended to track what items fall into which release and/or milestone 18:44:46 blueprints aren't great as the primary container for detailed documentation 18:45:33 A use that's common in Neutron is for the blueprint to be basically a list of URLs to reviews on Gerrit for both specs and code 18:45:50 There are several types of documents 18:46:15 In our repo, there is a /docs directory that is intended for documentation 18:47:05 http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/gluon/tree/ 18:47:58 So if we meant the documentation of how to restrcutrue repo, it should be relatively simple, and BP in Launchpad may be good enough 18:48:18 Okay, I will put the document there (in the /docs directory) 18:48:26 perhaps rather than "restructure" we should think of it specifically as "structure" 18:48:37 Then it would be appropriate as a devref 18:48:50 If we meant other documentation (like install guide, user guide, etc.), it should go to doc 18:49:38 After we become offocial OpenStack project, documentation should be put central doc repo of OpenStack 18:49:44 the repo structure can be considered part of a "developer guide" and hence be part of the docs 18:49:55 devref is normally in the projects own repo 18:50:27 So looks like "doc" directory is the place to put all documentation 18:50:40 e.g. in the Neutron repo there is doc/source/devref and doc/source/policies 18:50:55 Good reference, thank you Paul 18:51:00 Okay, that makes sense 18:51:02 There are Jenkins jobs available to publish the docs from the project's own repo 18:51:44 for official projects the devref docs end up here http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-projects.html 18:52:24 In this case, repo structure (Paul's term :) documentation should be part of doc/source/devref 18:52:53 I will document it there 18:52:57 yes, instead of thinking of it as a one time thing, think of it as a guide for ongoing use by developers 18:53:24 That's right 18:54:36 BTW, there are exemplary .rst under doc/source already 18:55:30 we need to create devref etc. type of sub directory there, and put Tom's proposal of repo structure there 18:55:52 I will do that and put it out for review 18:56:11 Great Tom, and let me document this action 18:57:06 #action Tom draft repo structure document as part of devref (developer guide) documentation under doc/resource/devref 18:57:50 Looks like we only have 3 minutes left. 18:58:27 What about the other doc we sent out last week for review? 18:58:34 So we can think about schedule, roadmap, next steps etc, discuss via email and next meeting 18:58:49 More important is whether or not we can have a release for Newton 18:58:49 The Description doc. 18:58:54 ok 18:59:22 The architecture and description? 18:59:41 we can discuss via email 18:59:51 Paul, usually what is the sub directory for architecture description doc? 19:00:20 or we can just go ahead and push a proposal to the repo for review 19:00:23 I think that can be part of the devref if it's intended to describe the architecture to developers 19:00:33 yes 19:00:34 ok 19:00:53 user facing documentation of the architecture would be separate from docs intended for people writing Gluon itself 19:00:54 OK, good, so part of devref 19:01:35 Since Jeff already sent the doc out, please comment if possible. 19:01:45 I will 19:01:47 thanks 19:02:01 Great 19:02:06 any other business? 19:02:45 If no, thank you for the great discussion and talk to you via email and next Wednesday 19:03:01 sounds great! Thanks Bin! 19:03:15 Thanks Bin 19:03:22 Thank you everyone 19:03:25 Great, thanks. 19:03:39 Meeting adjourned 19:03:47 #endmeeting