14:01:38 <nikhil> #startmeeting glance_artifacts_sub_team
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14:01:53 <ativelkov> Hi folks
14:01:57 <sigmavirus24> o/
14:02:09 <nikhil> sigmavirus24: ativelkov mfedosin flaper87 rosmaita courtesy meeting reminder
14:02:16 <ativelkov> Thanks nikhil
14:02:22 <nikhil> #chair ativelkov
14:02:22 <openstack> Current chairs: ativelkov nikhil
14:02:38 <nikhil> #topic agenda
14:02:54 <nikhil> There's no official agenda for today and I don't have anything new to add.
14:03:18 <nikhil> ativelkov: if you would like to run the rest of the meeting that would be great or should we start a open discussion?
14:03:32 <ativelkov> I can give brief update
14:03:43 <nikhil> Thanks. feel free to use the # topics
14:03:59 <ativelkov> #topic Status Update
14:04:11 <ativelkov> I have actually two items here
14:05:18 <ativelkov> 1) We've reached an agreement with the Community Application Catalog team that we are going to make some kind of PoC work for them to demonstrate the potential of grance v3 usage to staore app catalog's data and metadata
14:05:30 <ativelkov> to store*
14:05:57 <nikhil> ativelkov: I would like to learn more about their req use cases
14:06:06 <nikhil> what would be a good place to start?
14:06:35 * nikhil shuts up and waits for the status update to complete
14:07:21 <ativelkov> nikhil: yup, I'll give the links a bit later
14:07:37 <nikhil> thanks!
14:08:26 <ativelkov> 2) mfedosin, me and the other folks from the artifacts team have made some kind of task breakdown for the refactorings of v3 API, which is likely to be proposed as artifacts roadmap for Mitaka
14:09:08 <nikhil> cool
14:09:28 <ativelkov> We'll put that into the spec when we migrate it to M branch
14:09:38 <nikhil> I think we should come up with a plan as ask for feedback prior to summit
14:09:43 <ativelkov> Sure
14:10:31 <ativelkov> I still haven't complited the first version of the wiki article, but I am working on that as well
14:11:27 <ativelkov> will try to provide something for the early feedback on this week
14:11:35 <nikhil> ativelkov: how about sharing a etherpad for some drafting help with a small group and then propose it to wiki?
14:11:52 <ativelkov> nikhil: yup, thats exactly what I plan to do
14:12:19 <ativelkov> will try to have that till Thursday meeting
14:12:32 <nikhil> oh nice
14:12:53 <ativelkov> That was all for the update part
14:13:05 <ativelkov> #topic App Catalog PoC
14:13:06 <nikhil> I have one item that I just realized
14:13:12 <ativelkov> oh, sure, please proceed
14:13:18 <nikhil> :)
14:13:30 <nikhil> ok, this will be fast
14:13:44 <nikhil> #topic Liberty-artifacts-work-documentation
14:14:25 <nikhil> So, I had requested a BP for API and one for other foundation work that illustrates what was done in Liberty (that was a lot!)
14:15:02 <nikhil> I think prior to release (late this week or next week) we should update specs so that the work shows up on specs.openstack.org
14:15:28 <nikhil> There are a few other specs that I am working on cleaning up however, these are sort of important as a lot was done
14:15:44 <nikhil> I would need help from you, ativelkov and possible mfedosin on this.
14:15:54 <nikhil> possibly*
14:15:57 * nikhil done
14:16:09 <ativelkov> sure, we'll give any needed help
14:16:22 <nikhil> awesome
14:16:28 <nikhil> #topic App Catalog PoC
14:16:32 <nikhil> ativelkov: all yours
14:16:35 <ativelkov> Thanks
14:17:05 <ativelkov> So, for now the website on http://apps.openstack.org has no backend
14:17:37 <nikhil> :/
14:17:55 <ativelkov> all the data which describes its "assets" (which is technically very similar to the artifacts) are described with simple jason files
14:17:59 <ativelkov> json*
14:18:19 <ativelkov> this is obviously does not scale well
14:19:06 <ativelkov> So, the team of the app catalog is currently investigating the possibilities for the new backend, with appropriate APIs etc
14:19:35 <ativelkov> They are gathering the requirements for that backend at the etherpad at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/app-catalog-v2-backend
14:20:04 <nikhil> excellent
14:20:35 <nikhil> I am gunna ask if some prod mgrs would be interested in adding feedback
14:20:55 <ativelkov> I truly believe that the overall idea of the service which catalogs the artifacts metadata and data maps perfectly maps to what we are doing in glance v3
14:21:36 <ativelkov> however, we need to demonstrate that, as for now they are not buying the idea and prefer to proceed on their own instead
14:22:06 <nikhil> hmm, that's weird
14:22:28 <nikhil> what are they worried about?
14:22:59 <ativelkov> They do not want to run the Glance for this backend
14:23:25 <ativelkov> But we definitely need to have more discussions
14:23:37 <nikhil> sure. I am curious why not.
14:23:54 <sigmavirus24> ativelkov: perhaps they're also concerned about the API stability? (since it's supposed to change pursuant to API-WG feedback)?
14:23:57 <ativelkov> I don't understand it completely as well
14:24:00 <sigmavirus24> (Also has a spec for the API merged yet?)
14:24:36 <ativelkov> sigmavirus24: we were having the discussions with them keeping in mind the planned change to stabilize the API
14:24:38 * sigmavirus24 hasn't been part of the discussion, just imagining things that would make him hesitant to use it
14:25:05 <jokke_> tbh I do understand ... I wouldn't start implementing something that might have big scalability needs and stability need on experimental service/api
14:25:22 <ativelkov> The spec is not there yet, as we are told not to push it much, given all the buzz with v1->v2 migrations and defcore things
14:25:34 <jokke_> Specially with all the fuzz around Glance
14:26:07 <ativelkov> This is not something anybody implements right now
14:26:15 <jokke_> ah
14:26:31 <nikhil> I see
14:26:32 <ativelkov> So, this is just a question on choosing the direction
14:26:39 <jokke_> so it's not like supposed to be implemented during mitaka or so?
14:26:43 <jokke_> aha
14:26:46 <ativelkov> or at least I see it like that
14:26:59 <ativelkov> Probably we'll need to discuss it more with the app-cat team
14:27:05 <nikhil> +1 on more discussions
14:27:28 <ativelkov> see the ML thread called "[openstack-dev] [murano] [app-catalog] versions for murano assets in the catalog"
14:28:00 <ativelkov> (it's actually started with murano, but turned-out to discuss glance's usage for the app-catalog needs)
14:28:23 <ativelkov> The last message is exactly about "We need closer communications between Murano, Glance, and App-Catalog going forward since each project has valuable things to contribute to the over all big picture."
14:28:41 <ativelkov> I hope to come back to this before the summit
14:29:02 <nikhil> ativelkov: I wonder if adding [Glance] tag to it is forbidden as well
14:29:04 <nikhil> ?
14:29:41 <ativelkov> nikhil: it is not :)
14:29:52 <nikhil> cool
14:30:33 <nikhil> we are out of time now
14:30:42 <ativelkov> Yup, seems so
14:30:47 <ativelkov> Thanks everybody
14:30:54 <nikhil> Thanks!
14:30:58 <nikhil> #endmeeting