08:00:14 #startmeeting fc_sig 08:00:15 Meeting started Wed Mar 14 08:00:14 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is diablo_rojo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 08:00:16 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 08:00:18 The meeting name has been set to 'fc_sig' 08:00:24 hello 08:00:24 o/ 08:00:27 Hello :) 08:00:36 hi 08:00:48 Already two more people than I had even hoped for :) 08:01:22 I guess I don't need to ask if people are around we can just hop to it! 08:01:32 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/First_Contact_SIG#Meeting_Agenda Meeting Agenda 08:01:39 \o 08:02:00 I also created a ping list spot in the agenda if you all want to get pinged when I start things next time. 08:02:56 Little bit of an intro, at the PTG we discussed doing a weekly meeting to kind of just go through some standing weekly items and then go through anything new (if there are things). 08:03:32 The two standing items being going through unmerged patches from new contributors and going through ask.openstack.org questions tag as contributor or contribution. 08:03:40 So! 08:03:47 #topic New Contributor Patches 08:04:14 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/reviewedby:%22Welcome%252C+new+contributor!+(10068)%22+is:open New Contributor and Unmerged Patches 08:04:54 The idea is to go through this list and wherever our areas of expertise overlap, try to go and assign people to review them. 08:04:59 Or something like that. 08:05:54 i can see 2 tempest patch which i can do quickly. seems pep8 error in one of them. i will help them 08:05:55 I figure for the first few weeks we can just take a chunk of the list at a time and then as the weeks progress we will be more up to date and there will be less to go through. 08:06:05 gmann_, awesome :) 08:06:06 +1 08:06:12 That would be super helpful! 08:06:35 interesting we got patches going back to 2014. I see one that has never gotten an answer back then. 08:06:51 patches going back to 2014 with that filter* 08:06:52 for other projects patches, should we add core team of PTL to respond if they are stuck without review ? 08:07:04 If there are ones we can't cover, hopefully we have a project liaison that we can poke to look at/foster the newbie if they aren't already 08:07:22 ah yea project liaison 08:07:26 thingee, that's super sad :( Hopefully routinely going through them will make that not a problem anymore. 08:08:18 * diablo_rojo looks through list 08:08:53 maybe as a data point we can try to shrink this list, or the ones that have never gotten an answer. 08:09:03 a lot of these are for the sandbox repository, we probably don't really need reach out on those? 08:09:05 probably some of these can be abandoned by now 08:09:14 It looks many of them are in the sandbox project 08:09:15 cmurphy, yeah I would think not. 08:09:22 Seeing a lot of DNMs too. 08:09:26 oh heh I'm not even look at projects :) 08:09:28 yea we can clean those 08:09:29 sleepy mike 08:09:34 Maybe we can reach out to them about abandoning them? 08:09:46 thingee, you and me both :) 08:10:25 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/reviewedby:%22Welcome%252C+new+contributor!+(10068)%22+is:open+project:+openstack-dev/sandbox 08:10:52 Okay so maybe not getting around to assigning anything this round, but wherever we have spare time in the next week, to spend a few minutes reviewing what we can and then reaching out to those that should be abandoned. 08:10:59 Theres a lot of cleanup to do. 08:11:15 sansandbox is open, so maybe we need some periodic cleaner thing 08:11:45 thingee, yeah that would be helpful 08:11:54 Easier to focus on what needs to be focused on. 08:12:10 or our filter can ignore sandbox :) 08:12:21 Yeah that totally works too 08:13:00 How do you even filter out a certain project? 08:13:25 add NOT project:openstack-dev/sandbox 08:13:37 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/reviewedby:%22Welcome%252C+new+contributor!+(10068)%22+is:open+-project:+openstack-dev/sandbox 08:13:37 https://review.openstack.org/#/q/reviewedby:%22Welcome%252C+new+contributor!+(10068)%22+is:open+NOT+project:openstack-dev/sandbox 08:13:39 Ah, all caps. 08:13:40 ? 08:13:46 lowercase wasn't cutting it 08:13:48 ah, NOT 08:14:08 the - works too 08:14:21 Way more manageable length of list when you take those out 08:14:28 oh you can also do -project:openstack/sandbox 08:14:43 cmurphy, you so smart :) 08:14:43 yeah, https://review.openstack.org/Documentation/user-search.html#_negation 08:14:45 oh nvm cmurphy already mentioned that 08:14:58 So many things I didn't know how to do. 08:15:01 today I learned :) 08:15:13 Me too! 08:15:44 same here! 08:15:44 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/reviewedby:%22Welcome%252C+new+contributor!+(10068)%22+is:open+-project:+openstack-dev/sandbox 08:15:51 - is easy one :) 08:16:11 Okay so I propose we all take an action item to like.. go respond to 3? 5? or if you can't respond, find a project liaison to cover it? 08:16:14 good collaboration folks 08:16:15 Does that seem reasonable? 08:16:21 +1 08:17:06 +1 08:17:15 I see some swiftclient ones maybe we can get mattoliverau on 08:18:02 also -openstack-dev/ci-sandbox 08:18:53 +1 08:19:29 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/reviewedby:%22Welcome%252C+new+contributor!+(10068)%22+is:open+-project:+openstack-dev/sandbox+OR+-project:openstack-dev/ci-sandbox 08:19:31 ? 08:19:50 Even shorter list now. 08:21:40 Okay so I can update that link on the agenda 08:21:47 for next time 08:22:11 I think it should be AND? #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/reviewedby:%22Welcome%252C+new+contributor!+(10068)%22+is:open+-project:+openstack-dev/sandbox+AND+-project:openstack-dev/ci-sandbox 08:22:52 #Action Everyone try to review to or get a project liaison to review a min of three patches from this list for next week 08:23:26 Onto the next standing item 08:23:48 #topic ask.openstack.org questions 08:24:16 So, I imagine this will be similar where we have a sizable list in the beginning and will have to slowly whittle it down. 08:24:26 yea 08:24:43 just replied on one post though that was little old - https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/93608/how-can-i-contribute-if-im-junior-level-developer/ 08:24:54 but seems need moderator approval before answer gets posted. 08:24:59 #link https://ask.openstack.org/en/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:contribution/page:1/ Contribution 08:25:44 Do they always need moderator approval? 08:26:02 #link https://ask.openstack.org/en/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:contributor/page:1/ Contributor tag 08:26:11 That one is a bit shorter 08:26:39 Neither is that bad 08:27:22 So maybe the action item for this one is just respond to 2? 08:27:25 this msg - "Your post was placed on the moderation queue and will be published after the moderator approval. At least 10 karma points is required to post links" 08:27:26 Does that work for people? 08:27:43 gmann_, oh interesting 08:28:07 after 10 karma it might work wihtout approval 08:28:13 Helps with avoiding spam and bots I would think. 08:28:17 gmann_, yeah 08:29:05 RE: respond to 2 post works fine for me. 08:29:17 Since I didn't hear objections to the proposal I will make that another action item :) 08:29:25 :)+1 08:29:36 #action Respond to at least 2 questions on ask.openstack.org 08:30:03 #topic New Contributor of the Week 08:31:04 So this idea was brought up a while ago- I think by ttx originally. I thought since we would be sifting through code reviews and focusing on new contributors any way it would be easy enough for us to come up with a name each week and like two sentence to maybe include in the developer digest? 08:31:11 thingee, thoughts on that? 08:32:01 idea is nice. 08:32:23 gmann_, I can't take credit for it, but I definitely agree. 08:32:26 but what will be the criteria to choose? quality of code, complexity of patch, project etc? 08:32:47 gmann_, I think it can vary week to week. 08:33:06 Those would be things to keep in mind for sure. 08:34:27 #action If one of the reviews you do is of particular note, try to remember to bring the person up during this part of the meeting next week 08:35:01 Okay, last planned agenda item! 08:35:15 #topic Rollover of #openstack-101 to #openstack-dev 08:35:17 sounds fine to me, anyone can contribute to the dev digest here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/devdigest 08:35:45 thingee, oh yes! Thanks for the link, I had it on the agenda and forgot to actually use it lol. 08:35:46 can make a section to mention new contributors. ok yes new topic ;) 08:35:56 thingee, falling asleep? :) 08:36:10 eh yea :D 08:36:30 what time there for you guys? mid night? 08:36:40 So, basically we want to roll this channel over and if I recall, we got the directions on how to do it from fungi at the PTG and its in our FC SIG etherpad. 08:36:46 1:36, but DST with a 1 year old 08:36:48 gmann_, closing in on 2 AM 08:37:00 omg 08:37:15 Basically my reason for bringing this up is that it doesn't have an owner :) 08:37:35 If anyone wants to start moving this forward it would be vastly appreciated :) 08:37:51 diablo_rojo: i can figure it out 08:38:06 thingee, oh cool that would be awesome. 08:38:23 * diablo_rojo goes to get link fungi provided 08:38:52 #link https://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/irc.html#renaming-an-irc-channel 08:38:57 thingee, ^^ 08:39:03 ack 08:39:24 thingee: thanks 08:39:32 omg irc commands 08:39:59 the worse kind too of having to talk to chanserv. 08:40:00 ha ha ha yeah a lot of them 08:40:07 yeah.. 08:40:30 always feel weird telling that person my password. 08:40:40 I guess I will owe you a woodford reserve for handling all that :) 08:41:21 The tips on that section are also very interesting 08:41:30 spotz had a suggestion on the ml to direct to #openstack instead of #openstack-dev, thoughts on that? 08:41:42 oh haha this will be interesting fun? 08:42:50 cmurphy, yeah I had seen that but didn't get time to respond. I feel like in general we want to direct to #openstack-dev since the fc sig was originally formed in response to people that needed help with the contribution process? 08:43:29 Other people have thoughts? 08:43:44 contribution can be more than dev, so #openstack can be fine. 08:43:56 At this point the contributor guide points #openstack-dev but that can be changed 08:44:05 I think i just want people somewhere active that they can feel like they want to listen in and maybe contribute in discussion 08:44:41 * diablo_rojo doesn't currently sit in the #openstack channel 08:44:52 is it pretty active? 08:44:56 both channels are more active than -101 so i don't have strong feelings either way 08:45:03 All the usual suspects? 08:45:12 Fair :) 08:45:19 I sit in there, and very seldomly answer questions. I don't always feel like I have the right answer, though maybe that would trigger someone smarter to answer. 08:45:22 I agree #openstack-101 needs to go away 08:45:23 slightly different group of active people than in -dev 08:46:23 Maybe we can direct to both? Depending on the interest? I would hate for people to be shuffled to one and then get shuffled to the other. 08:46:38 Especially before they are used to IRC and watching 10 channels at once. 08:48:20 #openstack channel says "Openstack Support Channel, Development in #openstack-dev | Wiki: http://wiki.openstack.org/ | Docs: http://docs.openstack.org/ | Answers: https://ask.o..." 08:48:37 which looks more generic one to redirect people to right things 08:49:17 gmann_, yeah I am seeing in the irc list that it says: 'general discussion, support ' 08:50:34 I guess I still lean towards pointing people to #openstack-dev.. 08:51:04 I can respond on the ML tomorrow morning with my thoughts. 08:51:24 #topic General Discussion 08:53:07 Only other thing I have to mention is if we see someone pushing the same sort of patch in a bunch of different projects (i.e. spelling change or link updates) we should probably reach out to them? I know this was kind of why the SIG was created in the first place. 08:53:57 Just something to be mindful of I guess. 08:54:14 * diablo_rojo is getting too tired to string words together into an actual sentence 08:54:43 So thats all I had! 08:54:49 6 min to spare. 08:54:56 Anyone have anything else to mention? 08:55:08 nothing from my side. 08:55:34 Coolio. 08:55:35 nothing here, thanks for leading diablo_rojo 08:55:44 Thanks for staying up thingee :) 08:55:59 And thank you everyone else for coming to our first meeting! 08:56:11 thanks diablo_rojo for chairing. 08:56:19 we'll have shirts printed 08:56:26 Don't forget to add yourselves to the ping list. 08:56:37 thingee, I do love OpenStack T-Shirts 08:56:55 Without further ado... 08:56:58 #endmeeting