13:42:09 <annegentle-web> #startmeeting docwebteam 13:42:11 <openstack> Meeting started Tue Jan 8 13:42:09 2013 UTC. The chair is annegentle-web. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:42:12 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 13:42:14 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'docwebteam' 13:42:26 <annegentle-web> woo! I need to remember to be consistent so the eavesdrop directories line up 13:42:30 <annegentle-web> Let's review action items 13:42:36 <fifieldt> #info http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting 13:42:46 <EmilienM__> hello :) 13:42:51 <fifieldt> (nb - we forgot to use #action for action items last time) 13:43:00 <annegentle-web> EmilienM__: hello! 13:43:12 <fifieldt> 13:04:18 * annegentle_ Anne to ask CI team if there's notification capability with a patch with DocImpact actually merges 13:43:14 <annegentle-web> Looks like the one with #action was for me to write a proposal to Foundation requesting funding of Doc Sprint in Feb 2013 including Adam Hyde as facilitator 13:43:32 <fifieldt> sorry 13:43:40 <fifieldt> I am reading the previous previous meeting's action items 13:43:43 <fifieldt> please ignore me 13:43:43 <annegentle-web> fifieldt: hee 13:43:46 <annegentle-web> no worries 13:43:54 <annegentle-web> so the proposal was written and funded, woo! 13:43:59 <fifieldt> congratulatons 13:44:17 <Daisy_> great ! Do you have a link for that proposal? 13:44:18 <fifieldt> for my part I also sent the thank-you email re: docimpact 13:44:20 <annegentle-web> I've been following up with the group and will keep working on travel and lodging arrangements 13:44:34 <fifieldt> looking forward to that 13:44:38 <annegentle-web> Daisy_: it was in email but I could certainly put it into a etherpad 13:44:56 <annegentle-web> #action annegentle-web to share the proposal for the book sprint 13:45:06 <annegentle-web> maybe even blog about it? Not sure. 13:45:42 <annegentle-web> Oh yeah usually I point to the agenda 13:45:44 <annegentle-web> #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting 13:45:47 <fifieldt> might raise expectations too much :) 13:45:56 <annegentle-web> #topic Action items 13:46:08 <fifieldt> hi lorin1! 13:46:10 <annegentle-web> I think that's it for action items, I did send out a status report last week 13:46:22 <fifieldt> got it, yup 13:46:39 <annegentle-web> #link https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg19757.html 13:46:40 <lorin1> hi fifieldt 13:47:04 <annegentle-web> Let's talk about the wiki migration briefly. 13:47:08 <annegentle-web> #topic wiki migration 13:47:16 <fifieldt> so, what's going on?> 13:47:17 <annegentle-web> I say briefly because I know little about the latest :) 13:47:23 <fifieldt> ah :) 13:47:43 <annegentle-web> I understand that Stefano (reed) is going to work with a team going forward 13:48:03 <reed> ? 13:48:16 <annegentle-web> reed: did I hear that right on IRC yesterday? 13:48:21 <annegentle-web> heh, hear. :) 13:48:25 <reed> wiki migration? 13:48:31 <annegentle-web> reed: moving to mediawiki 13:48:40 <reed> I know nothing about that, sorry 13:49:00 <annegentle-web> reed: wow, sorry, don't want to invent responsibilities :) 13:49:20 <annegentle-web> so all I know is I have an email in to Ryan Lane to see if he found someone to work on the styling 13:49:21 <reed> I've mentioned working on wikiPedia page about openstack 13:49:30 <annegentle-web> reed: oh that was it!! Sorry. 13:49:34 <reed> :) 13:50:11 <annegentle-web> my current sense of the mailing list posts is that people wanted it cleaner in the beginning 13:50:18 <annegentle-web> and we need a plan to get it clean 13:50:26 <annegentle-web> styling, content, macros, etc. 13:50:32 <annegentle-web> any other comments on the wiki migration? 13:50:35 <Daisy_> who will do the wiki migration? doc team? 13:50:54 <annegentle-web> Daisy_: Ryan Lane at Mediawiki already did it and has the scripts, and the CI team has puppet-ized the install 13:51:04 <fifieldt> umm, content 13:51:04 <reed> the technical part of the migration will be done by ryan and the infra team 13:51:05 <annegentle-web> Daisy_: so really it's more about CI than docs since we don't use the wiki for docs really 13:51:18 <reed> the content will have to be reviewed/fixed by all of us 13:51:23 <annegentle-web> to me, the wiki is for project management 13:51:24 <fifieldt> I've been wandering through http://wiki.openstack.org/TitleIndex 13:51:29 <annegentle-web> reed: yep, exactly 13:51:29 <fifieldt> and removing crap 13:51:33 <fifieldt> is this a good time to do that? 13:51:35 <annegentle-web> fifieldt: GOOD 13:51:35 <Daisy_> so if migrating the existing content, why need a plan to get it clean? 13:51:59 <annegentle-web> Daisy_: because https://wiki-staging.openstack.org/wiki/Main_Page is not very pretty 13:52:04 <annegentle-web> #link https://wiki-staging.openstack.org/wiki/Main_Page 13:52:26 <annegentle-web> fifieldt: well, the content migration happend the 3rd week of Dec, so deleting pages on the wiki now would have to be redone if I understand it 13:52:43 <fifieldt> ah 13:52:46 <fifieldt> that's not good 13:52:49 <fifieldt> I just did A through C 13:52:57 <annegentle-web> fifieldt: wah. 13:53:03 <annegentle-web> fifieldt: but needed. 13:53:04 <Daisy_> oh. the main page looks ugly. 13:53:11 <fifieldt> I didn't think there was consensus yet on the content migration 13:53:18 <annegentle-web> Daisy_: yeah and migrated content esp. tables and graphics need cleanup 13:53:21 <annegentle-web> fifieldt: ah okay 13:53:31 <fifieldt> there was still some debate about the interim period of nonediting 13:53:55 <fifieldt> certainly I'm not the only one editing the wiki 13:53:57 <Daisy_> does Doc team own the clean job? 13:54:01 <fifieldt> #link http://wiki.openstack.org/RecentChanges 13:54:12 <annegentle-web> Daisy_: I don't think so, and I'm not raising my hand :) 13:54:13 <fifieldt> so I would say content migration needs to be redone 13:54:21 <annegentle-web> but, perhaps we could organize the day of cleanup 13:54:31 <annegentle-web> I say "we" meaning "me" most likely 13:54:39 <annegentle-web> gah the nickname crazies! 13:54:58 <annegentle-web> #action annegentle-web to investigate wiki migration status 13:55:14 <annegentle-web> okay, good on wiki? 13:55:20 <Daisy_> at least, we need to make sure the content about documentations are correct and right there. 13:55:33 <fifieldt> clarity is good 13:55:35 <annegentle-web> Daisy_: yep, I did ensure that was okay, but more eyes the better always 13:55:43 <Daisy_> ok 13:56:00 <fifieldt> anne - when you get the info, perhaps email it out 13:56:00 <annegentle-web> For example, this page is correct: http://wiki.openstack.org/Documentation/ 13:56:04 <fifieldt> it seems there is confusion 13:56:13 <annegentle-web> fifieldt: yeah I need to circle back to the mailing list for certain 13:56:22 <annegentle-web> #topic doc tools update 13:56:23 <fifieldt> ta 13:56:37 <annegentle-web> So I have a giant email ready to send to openstack-docs about what it takes to get to 1.6.2 of the Maven plugin 13:56:48 <annegentle-web> Basically I've been investigating and testing 13:57:09 <annegentle-web> the difficulty is that we need to change doc jobs in the CI project at the same time we merge these pom.xml changes 13:57:18 <annegentle-web> it's not impossible, just need to be careful and plan 13:57:20 <fifieldt> yay, coordination 13:57:25 <annegentle-web> hee 13:57:51 <annegentle-web> I'll send that this morning so you all can review and ask questions 13:58:00 <Daisy_> ok. 13:58:06 <annegentle-web> #topic open discussion 13:58:12 <annegentle-web> Daisy_: do you want to talk about translation? 13:58:16 <fifieldt> want to make an action item for the last point, anne? 13:58:24 <fifieldt> i.e. send the email for all to review 13:58:30 <fifieldt> just for completeness 13:58:31 <fifieldt> :) 13:58:35 <Daisy_> yeah. 13:59:12 <Daisy_> Firstly, I'd like to talk about the review in Transifex. 13:59:52 <Daisy_> The review check box doesn't appear to common translators. 14:00:20 <Daisy_> so translators cannot do the review. The only review can be done when it is merged into the main repository, which is not good. 14:00:51 <annegentle-web> Daisy_: yep been seeing that on the mail thread 14:01:19 <annegentle-web> Daisy_: So the centralized translation coordinator isn't quite right? 14:01:31 <Daisy_> so the problem is if we want to use Transfifex to do the review, we need to manage the long list of coordinators. 14:01:32 <Daisy_> Right. 14:02:04 <fifieldt> is it possible to nominate a 'leader' per language, and that 'leader' can manage the list of people for that language? 14:02:16 <annegentle-web> fifieldt: I think that is one idea floating around 14:02:32 <fifieldt> coolo 14:02:43 <fifieldt> I'm just not sure what kind of role management is possible within transifex 14:02:50 <annegentle-web> Daisy_: so you sense the translators feel more "loyalty" and get more "points" in the transifex system than in review.openstack.org (Gerrit) (That's my sense of it.) 14:03:01 <Daisy_> I only see project maintainer and coordinators. 14:03:20 <Daisy_> project maintainer, coordinators, and translators., 14:04:04 <Daisy_> I just feel review in Transifex is more easy than in Gerrit for a reviewer. 14:04:09 <annegentle-web> Daisy_: so I like the proposed idea that translators could act as "project technical leads" do 14:04:25 <annegentle-web> Daisy_: yeah I think that's right also, that Transifex is their preferred review mechanism 14:05:08 <Daisy_> Yes, if we regard translators as "project technical lead", they can review by Gerrit then. 14:05:25 <annegentle-web> Daisy_: what about this: could you write up what the role of a lead translator would be? And what permissions they'd need where? 14:05:47 <annegentle-web> Daisy_: perhaps then we can "recruit" for that role? For example, from the User Groups 14:05:47 <Daisy_> ok, sure. 14:05:59 <Daisy_> great idea ! 14:06:08 <annegentle-web> reed: any thoughts on translation coordination? 14:06:12 <Daisy_> Let's recruit.. after the infrastucture is ready. 14:06:24 <annegentle-web> Daisy_: yeah I think that's right also... timing matters. 14:06:52 <annegentle-web> Daisy_: ok, thanks! Also do you need more CI help? 14:07:01 <Daisy_> not now, I think. 14:07:06 <annegentle-web> Daisy_: ok 14:07:10 <Daisy_> I need to do ... 14:07:28 <Daisy_> #action Daisy write up what the role of a lead translator would be? And what permissions they'd need where? 14:07:30 <Daisy_> firstly. 14:07:40 <annegentle-web> Daisy_: yep, sounds right 14:07:40 <Daisy_> then let's see what help we need from CI team. 14:07:48 <annegentle-web> EmilienM__: what are your thoughts on the barrage of comments on the basic install? 14:07:51 <reed> annegentle-web, I'd love to but it's not clear to me what the problem is 14:08:10 <annegentle-web> reed: okay, I'll send you a LONG email thread :) 14:08:15 * EmilienM__ reading comments 14:09:19 <reed> annegentle-web, private or on the list? 14:09:21 <annegentle-web> EmilienM__: basically "Thiago" never did get it set up? I guess? 14:09:30 <annegentle-web> reed: to your stefano@openstack email 14:10:24 <EmilienM__> annegentle-web: indeed 14:10:31 <annegentle-web> EmilienM__: I tried to respond to Thiago as much as I could but he didn't really explain his setup 14:10:32 <EmilienM__> annegentle-web: I'll work on that later toay. 14:10:37 <annegentle-web> EmilienM__: that would be great, thanks 14:11:01 <EmilienM__> annegentle-web: we definitly need more review on this work, and I'll do my best to improve it, with the help of other guys 14:11:03 <annegentle-web> EmilienM__: I never figured out whether there are ubuntu bugs that prevent him 14:11:23 <annegentle-web> EmilienM__: my concern was that this "blew up" right after you added Quantum -- maybe Quantum isn't basic :) 14:11:31 <EmilienM__> ahah 14:11:41 <EmilienM__> nothing is basic, actually 14:11:45 <koolhead17> EmilienM__: 3 node setup cannot be basic :) 14:11:50 <annegentle-web> EmilienM__: Heh 14:11:59 <annegentle-web> Well, maybe we need to revisit "Basic" 14:12:13 <annegentle-web> Such as -- if there is no such thing as Basic, do we even claim there to be 14:12:14 <koolhead17> its called multinode :D 14:12:16 <EmilienM__> believe me, it's nothing comparing to production ;) 14:12:42 <annegentle-web> fifieldt: I'm not sure if you're moderator on the basic install comments, can I add you? 14:13:05 <fifieldt> sure 14:13:08 <EmilienM__> #action EmilienM to reply to comments & fix bugs if they exist. 14:13:14 <EmilienM__> annegentle-web: ok for you ? 14:13:24 <fifieldt> I haven't been online much these few weeks - internet at folks place is iffy - apologies 14:13:46 <annegentle-web> #info Our new intern starts this week, Laura Alves da Quinta (ladquin on IRC) from Buenos Aires, Argentina 14:13:47 <fifieldt> [plus, there's a beach here :)] 14:13:52 <fifieldt> wow, cool! 14:13:52 <annegentle-web> fifieldt: hee 14:14:13 <annegentle-web> Wish she was here this morning! I didn't tell her about it, shoot. 14:14:31 <annegentle-web> So welcome her if you see her online. 14:14:44 <annegentle-web> And if it's okay with you all, I'll have her ask you questions if she gets stuck. 14:14:52 <annegentle-web> Her focus will be API docs and she's already patching. 14:15:11 <fifieldt> great :) 14:15:46 <annegentle-web> Okay, w'ere over time due to the late start, my apologies. 14:15:49 <annegentle-web> Anything else? 14:16:18 <fifieldt> oh 14:16:20 <fifieldt> one more 14:16:33 <fifieldt> I think I'm going to start fixing grizzly bugs now 14:16:46 <fifieldt> the ones which are confirmed on launchpad seem stable enough 14:16:49 <fifieldt> to write them in 14:16:50 <annegentle-web> fifieldt: ok, feeling like the code is going in? 14:16:53 <annegentle-web> fifieldt: GREAT 14:16:56 <fifieldt> yup 14:16:57 <annegentle-web> fifieldt: go for it 14:17:26 <lorin1> I've been adding the person who submitted the commit to the reviewers in the DocImpact-related doc stuff. 14:17:35 <lorin1> They are usually pretty good about giving feedback. 14:17:48 <annegentle-web> lorin1: good thinking 14:18:07 <annegentle-web> lorin1: yeah approve that one for config drive 14:18:08 <fifieldt> nice one 14:18:26 <annegentle-web> Okay, see you all around on IRC I sure hope. :) 14:18:32 <annegentle-web> #endmeeting