20:59:56 #startmeeting docteam 20:59:57 Meeting started Thu Feb 23 20:59:56 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asettle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:59:58 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:00:00 The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' 21:00:05 Yesssss right on 4pm 21:00:11 #action Roll Call 21:00:13 o/ 21:00:36 o/ 21:00:39 o// 21:00:55 Mornings dudes. 21:01:01 Waiting for early morning folks to walk in, let's give it 5 21:01:24 I spy a jraim 21:01:26 jrobinson: 21:01:30 Damnit sorry jraim 21:01:45 bmoss: helloooo :) 21:01:49 yo! 21:02:01 Welcome! 21:02:08 We're giving all the humans until 5 past to make it in 21:02:16 Might not make quorum :) 21:02:25 yes I am here :). 21:02:40 cool 21:02:43 hello o/ 21:02:57 A wild darrenc appears 21:03:04 o/ 21:03:09 o/ 21:03:10 \o\ /o/ 21:03:29 | | 21:03:40 / \ / \ 21:03:43 How very meta 21:03:47 damn, I missed 21:03:51 hahhahahaha 21:04:00 I see, I see 21:04:10 or maybe the one on the right is doing a Usain Bolt impression 21:04:23 aspiers: relatively accurate. I'd believe. 21:04:49 Alright, let's roll shall we? 21:04:55 aye 21:04:58 * iphutch is ready 21:05:02 #topic Action items from the last meeting 21:05:14 Number one action! Darren C to send arch guide action plan to ML - Done! 21:05:25 Number two action! Team to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430263/ - Doing! 21:05:30 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430263/ 21:05:33 Could we get some more eyes on that one please? 21:05:37 Specific bmoss and the tools team 21:05:46 berendt: if you're floating around, could you take a quick look too? 21:05:47 erm, I don't think I've done that 21:06:18 I was planning to do that post PTG 21:06:20 darrenc: pre-PTG planning. Mostly around the steps of 1: look at the analytics, 2: plan at PTG 3: Publish for Ocata 21:06:21 yes 21:06:26 berendt: gracias 21:06:39 But, if you'd like darrenc I can definitely reaction that one :D 21:06:43 re-action* 21:06:56 Esp cause I know there's more to let everyone know about :) 21:07:07 cool 21:07:38 #action Darren C to send out arch-guide action plan to ML! (post-PTG ;)) 21:08:07 Anyone else got the time to help out with the PDF review? :) 21:08:10 will do :) 21:08:58 Okay :) 21:09:00 Let's moveeee it onnnn 21:09:02 #topic Countdown to release 21:09:06 Ocata release is done, YAY! 21:09:18 \o/ 21:09:19 Big thanks to Maria, and bmoss ! 21:09:25 As our amazing release managers :) 21:09:44 Also, cannot go unsaid, huge thanks to annegentle for stepping in when we released there was some unplanned 404-ing 21:10:26 So, thank you all! 21:10:34 on a related note 21:11:02 There is a patch up to update the release tasks in the Contributor Guide: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437197 21:11:09 bmoss: smart :D 21:11:14 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437197 21:11:23 so if you're interested, please have a look 21:11:32 I will definitely be doing so :) thanks for updating bmoss ! 21:11:50 On a related note as well, everyone take a look at our swish new landing page! 21:11:52 #link https://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/ocata/ 21:12:04 Big thanks to nishpatwa007 who poured his blood, sweat and tears into that bad boy 21:12:20 So far it has been well received at the PTG (people like pretty pictures?) 21:12:36 This looks so good! 21:12:45 Yep! Well pleased :D 21:13:13 yes, it looks great! 21:13:28 Visuals always help to communicate tricky concepts, and we now have a very clear visual explanation of how the install tutorial and guides work. 21:13:54 Enormous thanks to nishpatwa007 21:13:59 And so, without further ado, I announce the pike schedule! 21:14:07 #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html 21:14:17 Everyone keep that in mind. We'll be releasing last week of Aug/beginning of SEpt 21:14:42 I will setup a countdown timer once I'm back in the land of normal 21:15:03 Alright! The big cheese! 21:15:04 #topic PTG Atlanta Feb 20-24 2017 - What did we achieve?! 21:15:19 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-pike\ 21:15:23 Firstly, woah! Look at this etherpad! 21:15:37 hehe 21:15:40 About seven months in the Pike release, after the short Ocata, it good to have a longer release cycle. 21:15:41 I mostly called this meeting to have the opportunity to report back on specific items that were of interest 21:15:48 jrobinson: totally dude 21:16:15 So, I'm happy to say, we have done an awesome job at the PTG. Cross-project and break out sessions have been great. But we had wonderful support on the Mon - Tues 21:16:37 We were a small team, as not many were able to attend, but we welcomed some newcomers - everyone meet skelso 21:16:59 Plus, we had lots of drop ins from the Designate, neutron, security, octavia, and ironic teams 21:17:04 Hi folks! 21:17:23 Some big new changes coming up: 21:17:33 hi skelso o/ 21:17:34 1. aspiers has worked hard to introduce reno release notes into docs 21:17:39 WoooooO! Thanks aspiers :D 21:17:42 :D 21:17:48 aspiers: if you have your patches you want reviews on, shove them in here now with #link 21:17:52 ok 21:18:05 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437611/ 21:18:55 Anytime asettle jrobinson :) I am up for anything 21:19:09 nishpatwa007: love your stuff 21:19:10 aspiers: thanks! 21:19:19 #action Team to review reno patches for docs! 21:19:49 2. Another achievement that is entirely attributed to aspiers and iphutch (and without being said, bsilverman_7 ) - we have crafted a new ToC for the HA Guide 21:19:54 If anyone is interested 21:19:56 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/HA_Guide 21:20:09 skelso was also able to provide some valuable input - great to see new people shaping the future! 21:20:42 iphutch: will be working straight up on the structure and from there, actioning in all the ToDos and new content with the OSIC team nad help from aspiers and teh HA team 21:20:43 Being nice 21:20:48 kudos 21:20:59 If anyone is HA interested, you know where to go ;) 21:21:00 \o\ /o/ 21:21:06 aspiers and iphutch - do you have anything to add here? :) 21:21:22 thanks to everyone that contributed yesterday! Watch this space as I do some serious re-arranging of current content and we start filing bugs to fill current gaps :) 21:21:31 I guess I have something to add 21:21:44 I've been busy the last few days talking to neutron and cinder folks about HA 21:21:56 and also to the Congress folks at lunch today 21:22:04 so I have some new information to put into the guide 21:22:16 aspiers: that's really great! 21:22:27 Perhaps you and iphutch can work on org-ing that together? 21:22:28 as the re-arranging starts to happen, obviously we'll encounter some merge conflicts 21:22:31 but that's OK 21:22:37 since fixing the conflicts should be easy 21:22:39 Heh, most likely. 21:22:53 But! Part of the fun? (she says, unconvincingly) 21:23:53 the biggest outcome from the neutron L3 HA talks (especially this morning) has been https://ethercalc.openstack.org/Pike-Neutron-L3-HA 21:24:05 which is pretty much ready to be converted and imported into official docs 21:24:10 asettle: I'm all for that collab with aspiers 21:24:20 #link https://ethercalc.openstack.org/Pike-Neutron-L3-HA 21:24:27 That table rocks. 21:24:28 and we have just started to discuss how to do that, with native .rst if possible 21:24:28 aspiers: awesome. I am so excited to see that coming in 21:24:33 skelso: totally 21:24:37 thanks :) 21:24:45 aspiers: bmoss might be able to help you more with that. He's an RST wizard. He bends it to his will. 21:24:47 Promise you. 21:24:59 sounds good 21:25:02 aspiers: she's come a long way! 21:25:11 (the doc, that is) 21:25:24 iphutch: yeah, I've been working on that continuously the last 48 hours 21:25:40 Man it's impressive. 21:25:47 It'll look good in the guide :D 21:25:58 BTW it's possible to export a CSV via https://ethercalc.openstack.org/Pike-Neutron-L3-HA.csv 21:26:11 everyone take a copy now just in case someone accidentally trashes it ;-) 21:26:15 Hahhahahaha okay 21:26:19 #link https://ethercalc.openstack.org/Pike-Neutron-L3-HA.csv 21:26:55 anyone got a csv to rst table converter handy? :) 21:27:07 aspiers: you know, you might be able to use pandoc 21:27:12 yeah maybe 21:27:22 Anyway, gotta move on! 21:27:27 But if anyone's HA mad, you know where to find them 21:27:45 3. Third big discussion was distributed docs repositories - which more or less lead to the agreement on splitting out the Administrator Guide 21:28:18 We had a few projects really interested in this. I have proposed that the docs team work on implementing a best-case specification 21:28:27 Pike TODOs: 21:28:28 Contact PTLs and project liaisons to inform of new decision 21:28:28 Work on specification detailing the 'how' - approve on team 21:28:29 Projects + docs to work on appropriate template 21:28:31 Queens TODOs: 21:28:33 Implementation period 21:28:59 Which, jrobinson and Ildiko and myself will be able to implement over the next two release cycles 21:29:11 jrobinson: I know you were sick and unable to remotely attend, I can find some time later this week to catch you up on all the crazy 21:29:19 As I discussed in the last meeting - and after re-reading the etherpad on distributed docs repositories - I am still happy to volunteer to write the spec for the admin guide 21:29:27 jrobinson: that's really great! Thank you 21:29:33 #action jrobinson to write spec for the admin guide 21:29:42 I know that Ildiko is really interested in it, and has promised some help 21:29:50 I recommend emailing/messaging her for context :) 21:30:33 Yes I don't full understand the rationale behind the dev-doc repo linking to an admin guide index.rst file, but I'm sure it will make sense. 21:30:45 ^symbolic link. 21:31:03 Hahhaa yeah, it was pretty fully on. We can definitely sit down and chat about it sometime soon :) it was a big session 21:31:30 Okay, moving along (sorry to rush, but we had a lot) 21:31:34 4. Archiving and versioning of documentation 21:31:48 We talked a lot about implementation and bmoss was there to help out with some major questions surrounding implementation 21:32:09 I dunno if bmoss is at his computer right now to talk more about that, so we might just skip over it :) 21:32:23 I think the notes from the session were pretty good 21:32:27 Oh there you are! :) 21:32:40 now it is about getting some patches rolling 21:32:48 Sounds good bmoss :) are you in charge of that one with loquacities ? 21:32:59 yep 21:33:05 Awesome :) looking forward to seeing it 21:33:20 :) 21:33:50 Other big discussions included the security guide 21:33:59 We have the sec team on board. We're working on a plan to ensure the guide is maintained. 21:34:12 The OSIC team has already hit the ground runinng and taken on board 10 bugs to deliver soon 21:34:36 awesome! 21:34:43 Then, we're going to work on scoping an appropriate audience, services, and content. And then start working on a POC and ToC 21:35:05 This'll be a slower effort, as we do have less resources. But this is something we are going to ramp over over the coming cycles. 21:35:08 Slow burner, if you will. 21:35:30 If anyone's interested in security, you know where to head. 21:35:54 We also had the neutron team pay a visit to discuss the maintenance of the Networking Guide 21:36:13 They're going to be working a bit closer with John Davidge to maintain the guide. 21:36:37 He has a list for suggested improvements 21:36:38 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-guide-improvements 21:36:51 I will ask that he sends out a summary of that too at some point :) 21:37:03 And of course, we talked about hte arch guide 21:37:06 darrenc - your turn ;) 21:37:44 I think it's covered in the etherpad notes :) 21:38:06 can I add to that etherpad? 21:38:16 one thing discussed today was cross-linking between networking guide and HA guide 21:38:17 but I've drafted a spec for ocata 21:38:20 in both directions 21:38:25 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436747/ 21:38:37 aspiers: uhhhhh sure yes 21:38:45 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436747/ 21:38:48 Thank you darrenc ! 21:38:55 np :) 21:38:58 #action team to review arch guide spec 21:39:08 Everyone please take the time to check this out 21:39:16 We wanna be dealing pretty heavily with this guide this release 21:39:36 Unfortunately it's been long-standing tech debt, and we need to ensure that we are publishing in Ocata and we're moving forward 21:40:24 But, in summary 21:40:28 We've had a hugely successful PTG 21:40:39 Working with ianychoi and the i18n has been really beneficial 21:40:57 Here I've just gone through the docs items but we were able to work alongside the i18n for plenty of action items and that was really beneficial cross-project work 21:41:05 Would love to see more collaboration 21:41:19 If anyone is keen on the notes from those discussions, you can see the full list here: 21:41:20 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-pike 21:41:49 I'll be writing a summary up for super user 21:42:00 And will be doing a more indepth summary for the newsletter which I plan to send out tomorrow :) 21:42:01 This was my first real experience with the docs team as a whole, and it was a ton of fun. You guys rock. Thanks a lot everyone! <3 <3 21:42:08 Thanks so much for coming aspiers :D 21:42:14 IT was really great to have you, honestly. 21:42:23 It's really cool to see what good things we can do :) 21:42:41 Big thanks also to those who managed to come in remotely! 21:42:45 * aspiers wonders if we can have a PTG every week ... 21:42:46 I can't believe that was actually functionaly 21:42:51 functional* 21:43:09 aspiers: HAHA RIGHT?! I was just talking to Allison about how well this has genuiely gone 21:43:11 genuinely* 21:43:18 Friggin hell. My typing is just blip today 21:43:38 Anywayyyyyyy 21:44:15 I'm going to skip the specialty team reports today, a lot of people are all over the place - let's resume normal operation on Thursday, the 9th of March 21:44:23 #topic Bug triaging 21:44:30 This week's triager is... darrenc ! 21:44:38 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams#Bug_Triage_Team 21:44:39 woohoo! 21:44:42 Sounds like a good plan. There are no new user guide updates. 21:44:47 darrenc: unfortunately there is quite a list for you there :P 21:45:16 no problem 21:45:18 If anyone is able/interested/has not already signed up to be a bug triager to help out with our team, please sign up on the link above 21:45:35 I believe aspiers had some good idea surrouding updating our process and documenting other pieces of assumed knowledge 21:45:39 aspiers: do you want to say something a bit more to that? 21:45:49 sure, if I can remember what that was 21:46:01 well, one thing is that I found out how to subscribe to bugs by tag 21:46:07 and I documented it 21:46:22 Oh yeah! 21:46:26 That was really cool :) thank you 21:46:33 #link https://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/doc-bugs.html#tracking-bugs-by-tag 21:46:45 was there something else? 21:46:48 I can't remember 21:47:03 I have a bug-related comment 21:47:54 please file theme, build, and tool bugs in the openstack-doc-tools project on Launchpad 21:48:03 Oh! 21:48:05 That is an excellent point bmoss 21:48:10 We should document that too :p 21:48:13 Contrib Guide! 21:48:19 asettle, already done. :) 21:48:29 bmoss: have you moved the already existing bugs over? 21:48:32 but I just wanted to mention it since it is a change from that last few releases 21:48:44 not yet, I was waiting until after the release 21:49:08 but also don't worry if you do file a bug in openstack-manuals, if we identify it is as a tools bug we'll just move it over. 21:49:28 bmoss: ace :) thank you! 21:49:32 berendt: ^^^ 21:49:37 I just tag Christian when I need him now. 21:49:40 It's very efficient 21:49:49 lol 21:49:52 sorry lol 21:49:58 docs team meeting time 21:50:10 Not at all :) 21:50:11 I have not recognized it because of another meeting 21:50:11 Welcome to the fold 21:50:14 That's okay! 21:50:21 Did you get the sign?! 21:50:45 asettle, yep! Thanks a lot! I now have the paper (sign: Docs+I18n)! 21:50:56 ianychoi: hooray :D I'm glad to hear it. 21:51:12 I picked them up yesterday and was trying to find a good time to give them to you 21:51:14 But alas 21:51:21 Andy the good deliverer :p 21:51:22 asettle, and thanks a lot for organizing all especially for with I18n team! Without your help it would be impossible for I18n team to join in PTG 21:51:43 Not at all :) am really happy how well it turned out :) 21:51:45 Haha please delivery my appreciation :) 21:51:50 Thank you so much for being an amazing collaborator ianychoi :) 21:51:58 Okay, well, we have 8 minutes left 21:52:03 #topic Open discussion 21:52:36 Anyone? :) 21:52:50 I don't have anything to add. 21:52:52 heya 21:52:54 Sorry for talking your ears off, just wanted to make sure everyone heard the good, the bad, the ugly 21:53:21 annegentle: heya! 21:53:29 Thanks for being our 404 angel :) 21:53:36 I'd like to have someone write up a good incident report for that pair of 404s 21:53:49 we can get better at that with some better understanding of what happened 21:53:57 annegentle: we have updated the contrib guide, but I think that might be best left in the hands of bmoss and Maria 21:54:01 and loquacities 21:54:05 Would you guys mind? 21:54:40 And.. sorry for not following all the things, but I have heard that today morning (here) docs.openstack.org was slow. What was the problem? 21:54:52 asettle yeah, I think Maria was interested in doing that 21:54:58 annegentle: that's good :) 21:54:58 ianychoi I hadn't heard that 21:55:02 ianychoi: neither ^^ 21:55:12 I haven't had any issues accessing today 21:55:20 Oh really 21:55:45 docs.openstack.org is terribly slow for me, I am suffering alone or is this a server-side problem? 21:55:56 reported in #openstack-doc irc channel 21:55:58 Hmmm interesting. 21:56:08 I'll ping Gauvain again and see what was up 21:56:14 I wasn't experiencing any issues 21:56:22 yep :) 21:56:25 seems fine to me here 21:56:29 ok I'm gonna temporarily sign off here, and head down from my hotel room to the feedback session. great meeting, thanks all and see some of you there! 21:56:38 Yeah, will be there! 21:56:42 See you shortly :) 21:56:51 o/ 21:56:52 ianychoi do you want me to try to do the cross-platform (Mac) scripting work for PDF? 21:56:53 Also going to cut this meeting shortly by 4 minutes unless anyone has some major concerns? :) 21:56:58 Zips along here. 21:57:00 o/ 21:57:24 ianychoi I can at least start it, wasn't sure if there's a bug already 21:57:36 Sweet :) 21:57:47 Okay, I'm going to close this one out annegentle - if you and ianychoi wouldn't mind moving over to doc? 21:58:05 Thaanks everyone! 21:58:12 o/ thanks dudes! 21:58:19 #endmeeting