05:00:32 #startmeeting Diversity Workgroup APAC 24-09-2015 05:00:33 Meeting started Thu Sep 24 05:00:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kavit. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 05:00:34 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 05:00:36 The meeting name has been set to 'diversity_workgroup_apac_24_09_2015' 05:00:41 hello all 05:00:47 Roll Call 05:00:49 hello! 05:00:55 Roland Chan, Aptira. 05:00:55 Kavit Munshi, Aptira 05:01:16 Tristan Goode, Guess where! 05:01:38 I have several inappropriate answers. 05:02:02 Tristan Goode, Aptira :-) 05:02:23 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStackDiversity.12 05:02:46 #topic Final review of the survey 05:03:07 Yep. It's done. Got some feedback from Egle, which was incorporated. 05:03:23 there were some changes to the survey text etc, hows the final review going? 05:03:29 unfortunately, the i18n team were flat out on the Mitaka release, so we're only sending out in English. 05:03:39 ah cool, so its good to go out but only in English? 05:03:52 * fifieldt wanders in 05:04:19 finished. I sent the text to Lauren. so will be working with her on distribution 05:05:04 Yes, english only. I'm afraid. 05:05:11 irony not lost either :( 05:05:12 ok cool, I dont that can be helped 05:05:16 :( 05:05:32 i8n resources hard to come by 05:05:50 To be fair, they team were keen to help, but just flat out. 05:06:09 maybe we plan a bit better for the next time we need to do a survey 05:06:15 I guess the lesson is: don't cram things into the end of the cycle. 05:06:25 yeah summit time, busy time 05:06:44 so the "minority sexuality" wording is still in there? 05:06:44 anyway next topic? unless there are other comments? 05:06:45 I'm out of updates. 05:07:12 fifieldt: yeah. 05:07:28 still seems wrong to me 05:07:47 it has problems. 05:08:04 but I can't come up with anything. 05:08:39 best practice is to make it a free text field 05:09:08 only if you want the detail 05:10:01 got it 05:10:24 OK 05:10:50 #topic Messaging at Tokyo Summit 05:11:00 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Diversity_WG_Tokyo_Messaging 05:11:17 Please review and contribute to the link above 05:11:56 "Join Diversity Working Group" :) 05:12:09 thanks. will take a look at it later. 05:13:25 I think the big issue for me is the lack of momentum in the smaller user groups after a few initial meetups 05:14:24 maybe we could be supporting them better? maybe we should have a survey for th‎is in the future, to find out where things could go better 05:14:37 fifieldt, you have any thoughts on this 05:14:38 ? 05:14:50 many :) 05:15:01 There's a critical mass situation. 05:15:08 the ambassador program was created to provide mentors for cases like this 05:15:12 but what rolandchan notes is true 05:15:31 in Australia, for example, there was early realisation that each individual city alone could not sustain a user group due to this 05:15:37 and so a national umbrella was created 05:15:57 I think we realised the same thing in India 05:16:01 indeed 05:16:07 and the African continent could suffer similarly 05:16:27 South America, luckily, has a lot of open source proponents in the more populous nations 05:17:16 early identification of those people with drive is key 05:17:17 maybe we ask the groups to do two or three meetups a year and help present stuff by google hangouts or something, might be a good idea to get some of the vendors onboard as well by providing venues 05:17:22 and getting them mentors and a path forward 05:17:37 if people see value in the content, they will definitely come 05:17:51 this is true - content and speakers are great, but we don't want to be too proscriptive :) 05:18:05 they key is to listen to the needs first 05:18:09 we are seeing 40 to 50 people atleast even in smaller cities 05:18:17 so your survey idea (even if completed by direct email) could be a go-er 05:18:33 I would like the ambassadors to be more proactive in contacting the groups in their region to ask about these kind of things 05:18:44 and I think the personal relationship would be more beneficial than a surveymonkey link :) 05:18:59 fifieldt, maybe have a break in period of new user groups, with two meetups where ambassadors help 05:19:07 with content etc 05:19:16 if they need it, sure :) 05:19:26 but it should not be proscribed, in my opinion 05:19:38 assess and assist, assess and assist 05:20:38 It sounds like we might need to make sure the ambassadors have a pool of people to perform specific types of assistance. 05:20:54 when we identify what those types are. 05:21:04 eg: if we need content presented. 05:21:29 the ambassdors might not be able to handle 50 new meetup groups with that need. 05:21:29 yes, the ambassadors should be able to assist in identifying speakers, sponsors, etc 05:21:40 the ambassador program scales :) 05:22:28 Something to mention when recruiting for people to participate in diversity programs. 05:23:36 cool 05:24:32 th‎is segues nicely into the next topic 05:24:38 #topic Geo Diversity Update 05:25:30 so I had sent an email out to amabssaors and rolandchan reached out to the gold members with global reach but we havent see a lot of people bite 05:25:34 we should keep at it 05:26:46 on the same actions? or trying something new? 05:27:54 same actions, join the meeting regularly 05:27:59 participate 05:30:22 anything new to add to the agenda? 05:30:40 any comments about things discussed? 05:30:42 Not really. I don't want to talk too much about actions without some data 05:30:49 cool 05:31:19 We could have a theoretical discussion about how to boost minority participation in a democratic environment. 05:31:27 I still think moving this meeting to a meeting channel is worthwhile. 05:31:45 I think I need a gavel so I can go "ADJOURNED" at the end of these meetings :) 05:31:53 put it to a vote, and get it voted on next week too. 05:32:34 ozstacker, you want to put the issue to a vote? I will add it to the agenda 05:32:55 yeah. 05:33:02 I wanna use the voting functionality. 05:33:53 Yeah ok 05:34:27 Some drop in participation might be interesting. 05:35:08 bit live having a meeting in the front bar of a pub. 05:35:12 bit like. 05:35:14 OK we cant vote for it now, too few of us 05:35:28 We can cast votes surely. 05:37:02 #startvote 05:37:03 Unable to parse vote topic and options. 05:37:33 #startvote Move #openstack-diversity to one of the openstack meeting channels? Yes, No 05:37:34 Begin voting on: Move #openstack-diversity to one of the openstack meeting channels? Valid vote options are Yes, No. 05:37:35 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 05:37:48 #vote yes 05:37:56 #vote Yes 05:38:08 #vote yes 05:38:15 #vote Yes 05:39:04 #vote Iwillvoteafterlookingatwhatrolandchanvotesfor 05:39:05 kavit: Iwillvoteafterlookingatwhatrolandchanvotesfor is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No. 05:39:06 :) 05:39:24 sorry. playing with the cat 05:39:28 #vote yes 05:39:29 #vote Yes 05:39:46 capital Y rolandchan 05:39:49 i think 05:39:51 #vote Yes 05:39:59 #catvote no 05:40:01 #endvote 05:40:02 Voted on "Move #openstack-diversity to one of the openstack meeting channels?" Results are 05:40:03 Yes (4): rolandchan, kavit, ozstacker, fifieldt 05:40:52 very good. 05:42:04 ok anything else? 05:42:57 lunch :) 05:43:00 no? 05:43:03 ending meeting 05:43:09 very good 05:43:10 #endmeeting