16:01:09 <markvoelker> #startmeeting defcore
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16:01:14 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'defcore'
16:01:29 <eglute> o/
16:01:31 <markvoelker> #chair eglute hogepodge
16:01:31 <openstack> Current chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker
16:01:37 <catherineD> o/
16:01:43 <hogepodge> o/
16:01:43 <markvoelker> #link Today's agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRoble.5
16:01:45 <Rockyg> o/
16:02:23 <shamail> hi
16:02:50 <markvoelker> hi folks.  Let's jump right in...
16:02:57 <markvoelker> #topic PTG
16:03:05 <markvoelker> hogepodge: any updates on meeting space?
16:03:27 <hogepodge> markvoelker: yes, catherineD through refstack has secured two days of meeting space for us
16:04:02 <markvoelker> excellent, thanks catherineD
16:04:15 <markvoelker> #info meeting at PTG is on
16:04:19 <hogepodge> It is officially ok for us to use that space along with the refstack project
16:04:43 <eglute> do we know which days?
16:05:24 <hogepodge> I think the first two days, but catherineD can confirm.
16:05:31 <eglute> yes, i see it on the website
16:05:34 <eglute> https://www.openstack.org/ptg/
16:05:59 <hogepodge> We're even on the schedule. :-D
16:06:05 <catherineD> Monday and Tuesday
16:06:21 <eglute> thank you catherineD!
16:06:22 <eglute> do we know how the space will work?
16:06:27 <hogepodge> #info PTG Monday and Tuesday February 20-21
16:06:34 <eglute> are we going to have one room for us and refstack, or?
16:06:35 <hogepodge> #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/
16:06:46 <shamail> The first two days are focused on cross project needs
16:06:52 <catherineD> yes one room for both days
16:07:11 <eglute> thanks catherineD
16:07:38 <markvoelker> catherineD: ok, so sounds like we'll need to work out some kind of agenda so we're not stepping all over each other. =)
16:08:19 <markvoelker> Is there a tentative schedule for refstack yet?
16:08:58 <catherineD> yea, but mostly willl be Interop WG meeting  just like the meet term we had before
16:10:02 <markvoelker> ok, so I guess eglute and you and I should circle up and hash out a tentative agenda then.  Shall we start an etherpad for topics?
16:10:16 <eglute> yes, lets do that
16:10:35 * shamail cant't make it since kids are off that week
16:10:38 <markvoelker> Ok, eglute would you mind setting one up and sending it to the ML's
16:10:45 <markvoelker> shamail: bummer =/
16:10:53 <shamail> I know :(
16:11:02 <eglute> #action eglute start etherpad with agenda for PTG and send it out to ML
16:11:07 <catherineD> because most  of the cores  from the RefStack team won't be at PTG
16:11:53 <markvoelker> #action eglute to start PTG agenda etherpad and post to ML
16:12:03 <markvoelker> Anythign else on PTG before we move on?
16:12:29 <markvoelker> hearing none....
16:12:36 <markvoelker> #topic 2017.01
16:12:46 <markvoelker> First up: cinder
16:13:26 <shamail> I looked at the etherpad last night to start working on cinder but got a little stuck
16:13:57 <shamail> I think we want to add all V3 as advisory but reference the V2 tests (which are the same ones referenced by the approved capabilities)?
16:14:03 <markvoelker> shamail: ?
16:14:20 <shamail> Is that correct?
16:14:43 <shamail> The other dilemma is that cinder does have a list API versions call but there is no test for it
16:15:07 <hogepodge> That sounds correct to me, since v3 is the equivalent of nova v2.1 in microversion intent
16:15:28 <markvoelker> Shamail: Yeah, I think the general idea is to put v3 into advisory as long as the same tests work.
16:15:31 <shamail> So we're okay with referencing the same ID idempotent ID?
16:15:41 <markvoelker> yup
16:15:47 <hogepodge> shamail: sounds like we should write a test for it in the next month. My suggestion is to add the capability section as a placeholder until the test is written
16:15:57 <shamail> Okay, thanks.
16:16:15 <markvoelker> For the version list thing: I've written a couple of those tests now, seems like something I can add to my plate.
16:16:25 <markvoelker> Likely not in time for this round of scoring, but...
16:16:36 <shamail> So my actions are create cinder V3 as advisory and add list apis as advisory but no test definition yet?
16:17:11 <markvoelker> I'd go ahead and add version-list to the scoring sheet and note that no test currently exists for it.
16:17:22 <shamail> V3 will also probably not pass scoring since most/all SDKs are still using V2
16:17:28 <markvoelker> If me or someone else can create one in time we can consider adding it.
16:17:28 <shamail> But I'll score it as well
16:17:43 <shamail> Okay, sounds good
16:17:51 <markvoelker> If not, it'll be a note in the scoring sheet for next time so we can re-eval then
16:18:09 <shamail> I'll knock that one out tonight
16:18:45 <markvoelker> Ok, on to Swift then?  Anything else on cinder?
16:18:55 <shamail> That's all for cinder until next week
16:19:21 <eglute> Thanks for reviewing Swift Mark! I will update it today
16:19:22 <markvoelker> Ok, eglute?  Swift updates?
16:19:33 <markvoelker> Sure.  Sorry that took so long.
16:19:51 <eglute> thank you for reviewing!
16:20:12 <eglute> i think i need to do another PR for just updated tests
16:20:21 <eglute> but i wonder if that is better for the next cycle
16:20:34 <eglute> since that would be a lot of tests to review
16:21:49 <markvoelker> ok.  I'll just note that we're running really low on time since January is right aroudn the corner, so the sooner the better (esp. for stuff that may take a while).
16:22:38 <markvoelker> anything else on swift?
16:23:02 <eglute> not at the moment
16:23:26 <hogepodge> On the time note, for scheduling
16:23:28 <hogepodge> #info Next is Board meeting January 28, 12:00pm-2:00pm Pacific Conference Call
16:23:33 <markvoelker> ok, moving on to Nova.  Shamail has a patch up for this
16:23:44 <hogepodge> Ack, wrong date, that's last year
16:23:46 <hogepodge> ignore that
16:23:48 <markvoelker> #link Nova patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385781/6
16:23:50 <shamail> Yes, I moved the new capabilities to advisory.
16:24:54 <markvoelker> Cool, thanks.  There was something with the suspend/resume tests I wanted to check into, but I think this getting close
16:25:26 <shamail> Okay, please let me know if I need to follow-up on anything.
16:25:34 <eglute> January Board meeting will most likely be on January 31st.
16:25:40 <shamail> I also rebased the changer
16:25:46 <markvoelker> This could use some more eyeballs from other folks, so please take a look
16:26:00 <Rockyg> link?
16:26:21 <hogepodge> eglute: yes, late january is the proposed date
16:26:26 <markvoelker> Rockyg: see above. =)
16:26:28 <hogepodge> #info Jan 31, 1 -3pm pacific
16:26:40 <markvoelker> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385781/6
16:26:47 <Rockyg> oh.  oops.  Thanks.
16:27:02 <markvoelker> Ok, anything further on nova?
16:27:38 <markvoelker> Keystone and Glance patches are landed, so we're good there.
16:28:09 <markvoelker> While we're discussing reviews, I'll just note that there are a couple of patches out for aliasing and flagging existing stuff
16:28:25 <markvoelker> eglute: I think you Workflow+1'd one of them but it hasn't merged yet?
16:28:36 <eglute> hm, let me see
16:28:40 <markvoelker> eglute: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/405048/
16:29:10 <markvoelker> may need a recheck (and a +2 from you while you're at it =)
16:29:34 <markvoelker> The other one is:
16:29:40 <markvoelker> #link Alias patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/405039/
16:29:57 <markvoelker> Which LGTM but needs another review or two
16:30:25 <eglute> looks good to me, I can move it later after others have a chance to look
16:30:37 <shamail> Will review today
16:30:58 <eglute> thanks luzC and shamail!
16:31:00 <markvoelker> It's a pretty simple change so should be quick.
16:31:06 <markvoelker> Ok, monving on to the name change
16:31:25 <markvoelker> Shamail: I see you got the wiki moved over
16:31:30 <shamail> Yes sir
16:31:55 <markvoelker> I think it's time to pull the trigger on deleting the old #openstack-defcore channel.  What do folks think?  We've been warning about it for weeks...
16:32:01 <shamail> All the links I checked worked, but if we notice any issues please let me know
16:32:01 <markvoelker> (months?)
16:32:02 <Rockyg> ++ good job!
16:32:23 <eglute> i think closing the other channel is fine!
16:32:37 <Rockyg> any idea how much traffic it's getting?
16:32:44 <eglute> We also need to send out official announcement telling people to move
16:32:49 <shamail> Now that we have the wiki moved, is it okay if we change the eavesdrop listing?
16:32:59 <eglute> IRC channel? about zero traffic
16:33:03 <eglute> shamail yes please
16:33:29 <shamail> We can stay with the same meeting ID for now to keep the same logs or change it to 'interop' and add a pointer to the old DefCore logs in the wiki.  Thoughts?
16:34:04 <Rockyg> Yeah. just checked the channel.  Mostly the veterans who are just there in case
16:34:05 <markvoelker> Shamail: I'd be inclined to go ahead and make the change.
16:34:21 <markvoelker> (and add pointer in wiki)
16:34:22 <Rockyg> Agree.
16:34:29 <hogepodge> I'm waiting on infra to approve the new mailing list. I pinged them on it this morning.
16:34:32 <shamail> markvoelker: +1, we'll have to do it sooner orblater
16:35:06 <shamail> Can you please assign the action to update eavesdrop so I remember?
16:35:18 <hogepodge> #link New Mailing List review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404921/
16:35:29 <markvoelker> shamail: oh, actually I thnk I wrote the eavesdrop change before remembering you had that AI. =)
16:35:42 <markvoelker> I'll go ahead and push it this afternoon if that makes life easier on you. =)
16:35:49 <shamail> Perfect
16:36:00 <markvoelker> #action markvoelker push eavesdrop patch to update meeting name
16:36:01 <eglute> hogepodge once the mailing list is created, we can send out official announcment
16:36:02 <shamail> Make sure you update the wiki location in eavesdrop
16:36:12 <hogepodge> shamail: yeah, the openstack bot it out of there
16:36:25 <markvoelker> shamail: will do
16:36:35 <markvoelker> #action markvoelker update meeting info in wiki once patch lands
16:36:38 <eglute> lets not shut down current ML until official announcement goes out
16:37:18 <hogepodge> once the new ML is up I'll send the announcement alerting people to move over, then shut down the list so no new messages can reach it.
16:37:24 <hogepodge> just waiting on infra now
16:37:29 <markvoelker> sounds like a plan.
16:37:51 <markvoelker> The other action related to this on my plate is updting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327086/ which I'm about 50% done with.
16:37:54 <shamail> Awesome
16:39:26 <markvoelker> We also wanted to get repo names updates, but I sorta felt like it would be best to land that patch first
16:40:05 <Rockyg> ++
16:40:25 <eglute> agree
16:40:34 <markvoelker> ok, anything else we need to talk about on this topic today?
16:41:11 <markvoelker> Ok, moving on
16:41:24 <markvoelker> #topic documenting how projects can become part of Guidelines
16:41:44 <markvoelker> eglute: I just realized I had an AI to send you some notes I'd started drafting on that, which I totally forgot to do
16:41:51 <markvoelker> I'll get those over to you after linch
16:41:54 <markvoelker> *lunch
16:42:01 <eglute> markvoelker it is ok! i was swamped last week
16:42:14 <eglute> thank you markvoelker !
16:42:26 <markvoelker> And with that we're at open discussion...
16:42:29 <markvoelker> #topic open floor
16:42:40 <eglute> I created etherpad for PTG: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropWGAtlantaPTG
16:42:47 <markvoelker> eglute: thanks
16:42:54 <eglute> please let us know if you are planning to attend
16:43:02 <eglute> and propose topics for PTG.
16:43:14 <shamail> Do we see DefCore playing a role in the strategic OpenStack futures discussion?
16:43:17 <eglute> we will plan our agenda around it
16:43:32 <eglute> shamail good question
16:43:45 <shamail> Do things like scenario tests, discoverability, etc. need to be noted in that convo
16:43:59 <eglute> i think so
16:44:00 <markvoelker> shamail: not sure if everyone is even quite aware of that discussion at the past couple of Board meetings...if not, a good primer: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-strategic-review-board
16:45:01 <shamail> Discoverability should be there and strategically we should ask better collaboration on interoperability in general to achieve a "one global Cloud" feel as described in "one platform"
16:45:07 <eglute> also blog post by Mark McLoughlin: https://crustyblaa.com/december-6-openstack-foundation-board-meeting.html
16:45:35 <eglute> shamail good points
16:46:28 <markvoelker> shamail: I think some of those things will be reflected in some of the responses to the "12 questions" exercise too.
16:46:40 <markvoelker> Or at least I know they will for at least one response. =p
16:46:50 <shamail> I defer to y'all to determine the right time since the conversation is still high-level for now... we would just want to raise interoperability as a concern before it becomes too low-level based on next steps
16:47:00 <shamail> LOL, make that TWO responses :)
16:47:11 <eglute> shamail i agree
16:47:34 <markvoelker> Note also that DefCore was called out specifically in the etherpad there a couple of times, so folks are thinking about how we fit into that picture
16:47:34 <eglute> the full discussion on this will be during the next in person board meeting
16:47:49 <shamail> markvoelker: +1
16:47:51 <markvoelker> eglute: remind me, did they decide to try to do that in person at the PTG with the TC?
16:47:55 <eglute> tentatively, it is scheduled for February 24th in Atlanta
16:47:57 <markvoelker> Or was that still just a proposal?
16:47:59 <markvoelker> ok
16:48:05 <shamail> They will be following up to see if it works for them/when
16:48:10 <shamail> Ah nice
16:48:20 <shamail> That was fast
16:49:18 <Rockyg> The tc just let everyone know the board might wwant to meet with them at PYG
16:50:03 <Rockyg> The response was "not during the normal days of ptg
16:50:35 <eglute> well, normal ptg is monday-thursday i think
16:50:41 <eglute> and the board meeting on Friday
16:50:41 <Rockyg> Though maybe part of Friday.
16:50:55 <eglute> Rockyg where are you seeing this?
16:51:09 <Rockyg> the TC meeting yesterday.
16:51:14 <eglute> Rockyg thanks!
16:51:25 <Rockyg> check the meeting logs.  very near the end.
16:51:32 <eglute> Rockyg will do!
16:52:00 <Rockyg> Yeah.  We need to tag team here to cover all angles ;-)
16:52:24 <eglute> :)
16:53:12 <markvoelker> ok, anything else today folks?
16:53:55 <eglute> we can finish early!
16:53:55 <markvoelker> hearing nothing, I think we can close up for the day
16:53:57 <eglute> :D
16:54:01 <eglute> thank you markvoelker!
16:54:02 <markvoelker> Thanks everyone!
16:54:06 <markvoelker> #endmeeting