17:08:20 #startmeeting craton 17:08:21 Meeting started Thu Feb 2 17:08:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jimbaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:08:22 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:08:24 The meeting name has been set to 'craton' 17:08:27 i am going to have to miss the meeting today .. need to take care of something .. 17:08:35 will read the scrollback in an hour 17:08:52 #chair sigmavirus sulo jimbaker 17:08:53 Current chairs: jimbaker sigmavirus sulo 17:09:02 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/craton-meetings 17:09:58 git-harry, jovon, sigmavirus, Syed__, thomasem, hi 17:10:33 hi 17:10:43 hey 17:11:00 hi there 17:11:36 O/ 17:11:45 so we just another demo, and we had some great questions from brian stein in particular 17:12:06 Did we prepare a document or something for that ? 17:12:14 the meeting? 17:12:35 Yeah or notes, will be handy to know 17:13:03 Syed__, we presented a few slides from our pres at openstack barcelona - architecture, some motivation from rackspace public cloud 17:13:17 Ohh i see 17:13:31 o/ 17:13:34 we then went through a demo of current functionality available from the CLI, including how variables work 17:14:09 showing overrides. could have mentioned the motivation from the openstack ansible team, but we didn't 17:14:14 in terms of notes 17:15:43 first, we will continue our focus on the cmdb/inventory aspects. multitenancy is a key differentiator for this project; as well some specific knowledge of how clouds should be managed 17:16:05 thomasem, your work on project vars, and projects in general, will be helpful sooner than later 17:16:22 +1 17:16:31 so thanks for your first change, and we will work that through and get it in 17:16:56 Yeah, I think I'm close to fixing that one problem, then it'll be writing tests (hopefully) 17:17:11 it would be helpful for future demos to show navigation through projects; and being able to search accordingly by vars 17:17:46 another thing that came up is being able to search via labels, and then make corresponding changes 17:18:05 but the key thing i heard is "how do we manage a lot of special snowflakes" 17:18:44 each project (= a customer cloud) has its own needs; but we need to manage efficiently 17:19:19 another key thing i heard is, what specifically are we doing to help in fact manage these snowflakes 17:19:41 jimbaker: sorry to interrupt, what do you mean by snowflakes ? 17:20:12 as in environment snowflakes ? 17:20:50 as in, each snowflake is different 17:21:19 ok 17:21:23 http://www.keplersdiscovery.com/SixCornered.html 17:21:41 cool, will go through it 17:21:47 which is one of the first works of mathematical physics 17:22:18 i don't want to elaborate too much on snowflakes, per se :) 17:22:30 +1 17:22:34 Lol 17:22:36 but snowflakes may all be different, but they share commonality 17:23:13 the point of craton is to manage the different snowflakes of how clouds are setup; but to know that they share certain features 17:23:44 and much of what drives stuff for us, like variables and how they resolve - that's commonality 17:25:00 same with having strong opinions on how to relationally look at the world - the project/region/cell hierarchy (and we forgot to mention, cells are optional and there can be just a single region) 17:25:10 etc etc 17:25:49 anyway, i expect further questions and demos to come up to address what was discussed today 17:26:05 farid, thomasem, anything else you want to add? 17:27:02 Nothing else from me. :) 17:27:52 another ask from toan: we need to show the device tree with the CLI. hopefully by next week 17:28:43 basically "containers should be addressable" (i think that's close to what he said) 17:28:53 jimbaker: not at the moment thanks 17:30:02 but i think the demo went reasonably well. tough questions, but people respected the work we put in 17:30:47 perhaps the biggest question is: are we effectively biting off more than we can chew, so to speak? 17:31:30 but again, that's why we are focusing on cmdb for the time being, and then expanding that out (so "inventory fabric" is still a next step for us) 17:31:41 hmm .. 17:31:47 ok, that's everything i got 17:33:47 anything else? i didn't prepare a specific agenda for today, because we were focused on this earlier meeting that i summarized 17:34:04 i am good right now 17:35:45 cool, please look at the outstanding reviews in https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+craton 17:36:10 and we can all get back to work 17:36:23 #endmeeting