17:08:20 <jimbaker> #startmeeting craton
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17:08:27 <sulo> i am going to have to miss the meeting today .. need to take care of something ..
17:08:35 <sulo> will read the scrollback in an hour
17:08:52 <jimbaker> #chair sigmavirus sulo jimbaker
17:08:53 <openstack> Current chairs: jimbaker sigmavirus sulo
17:09:02 <jimbaker> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/craton-meetings
17:09:58 <jimbaker> git-harry, jovon, sigmavirus, Syed__, thomasem, hi
17:10:33 <git-harry> hi
17:10:43 <jovon> hey
17:11:00 <sigmavirus> hi there
17:11:36 <Syed__> O/
17:11:45 <jimbaker> so we just another demo, and we had some great questions from brian stein in particular
17:12:06 <Syed__> Did we prepare a document or something for that ?
17:12:14 <jimbaker> the meeting?
17:12:35 <Syed__> Yeah or notes, will be handy to know
17:13:03 <jimbaker> Syed__, we presented a few slides from our pres at openstack barcelona - architecture, some motivation from rackspace public cloud
17:13:17 <Syed__> Ohh i see
17:13:31 <thomasem> o/
17:13:34 <jimbaker> we then went through a demo of current functionality available from the CLI, including how variables work
17:14:09 <jimbaker> showing overrides. could have mentioned the motivation from the openstack ansible team, but we didn't
17:14:14 <jimbaker> in terms of notes
17:15:43 <jimbaker> first, we will continue our focus on the cmdb/inventory aspects. multitenancy is a key differentiator for this project; as well some specific knowledge of how clouds should be managed
17:16:05 <jimbaker> thomasem, your work on project vars, and projects in general, will be helpful sooner than later
17:16:22 <thomasem> +1
17:16:31 <jimbaker> so thanks for your first change, and we will work that through and get it in
17:16:56 <thomasem> Yeah, I think I'm close to fixing that one problem, then it'll be writing tests (hopefully)
17:17:11 <jimbaker> it would be helpful for future demos to show navigation through projects; and being able to search accordingly by vars
17:17:46 <jimbaker> another thing that came up is being able to search via labels, and then make corresponding changes
17:18:05 <jimbaker> but the key thing i heard is "how do we manage a lot of special snowflakes"
17:18:44 <jimbaker> each project (= a customer cloud) has its own needs; but we need to manage efficiently
17:19:19 <jimbaker> another key thing i heard is, what specifically are we doing to help in fact manage these snowflakes
17:19:41 <Syed__> jimbaker: sorry to interrupt, what do you mean by snowflakes ?
17:20:12 <Syed__> as in environment snowflakes ?
17:20:50 <jimbaker> as in, each snowflake is different
17:21:19 <Syed__> ok
17:21:23 <jimbaker> http://www.keplersdiscovery.com/SixCornered.html
17:21:41 <Syed__> cool, will go through it
17:21:47 <jimbaker> which is one of the first works of mathematical physics
17:22:18 <jimbaker> i don't want to elaborate too much on snowflakes, per se :)
17:22:30 <Syed__> +1
17:22:34 <thomasem> Lol
17:22:36 <jimbaker> but snowflakes may all be different, but they share commonality
17:23:13 <jimbaker> the point of craton is to manage the different snowflakes of how clouds are setup; but to know that they share certain features
17:23:44 <jimbaker> and much of what drives stuff for us, like variables and how they resolve - that's commonality
17:25:00 <jimbaker> same with having strong opinions on how to relationally look at the world - the project/region/cell hierarchy (and we forgot to mention, cells are optional and there can be just a single region)
17:25:10 <jimbaker> etc etc
17:25:49 <jimbaker> anyway, i expect further questions and demos to come up to address what was discussed today
17:26:05 <jimbaker> farid, thomasem, anything else you want to add?
17:27:02 <thomasem> Nothing else from me. :)
17:27:52 <jimbaker> another ask from toan: we need to show the device tree with the CLI. hopefully by next week
17:28:43 <jimbaker> basically "containers should be addressable" (i think that's close to what he said)
17:28:53 <farid> jimbaker: not at the moment thanks
17:30:02 <jimbaker> but i think the demo went reasonably well. tough questions, but people respected the work we put in
17:30:47 <jimbaker> perhaps the biggest question is: are we effectively biting off more than we can chew, so to speak?
17:31:30 <jimbaker> but again, that's why we are focusing on cmdb for the time being, and then expanding that out (so "inventory fabric" is still a next step for us)
17:31:41 <Syed__> hmm ..
17:31:47 <jimbaker> ok, that's everything i got
17:33:47 <jimbaker> anything else? i didn't prepare a specific agenda for today, because we were focused on this earlier meeting that i summarized
17:34:04 <Syed__> i am good right now
17:35:45 <jimbaker> cool, please look at the outstanding reviews in https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+craton
17:36:10 <jimbaker> and we can all get back to work
17:36:23 <jimbaker> #endmeeting