00:01:27 #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting 00:01:28 Meeting started Thu Oct 1 00:01:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:01:29 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 00:01:32 The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' 00:02:06 hi 00:02:08 Hi. I'm back. 00:02:15 Hi all 00:02:20 hi 00:02:30 hi, all 00:02:46 Here's my agenda… 00:03:10 1. Liberty update 00:03:18 2. Kilo issues 00:03:31 3. Monasca requested discussion time in Tokyo 00:03:42 4. HOL 00:03:46 5. Status updates 00:03:56 Anything else? 00:04:29 just some open questions 00:04:45 su_zhang: I'll make a note. Let's save those for the end 00:04:47 questions about tokyo design summit 00:05:06 and some suspicious bugs 00:05:18 sounds good 00:05:29 masahito: let's do those questions during the HOL portion. 00:05:33 #topic Liberty 00:05:41 thinrichs: got it. 00:05:46 Here is the most recent bug list. 00:05:56 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bugs/?field.tag=liberty-rc2 00:06:29 There's 1 in progress but zhenzan has the code in review. 00:06:42 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228706/ 00:07:08 There are a few comments to address it seems. 00:07:16 I did try it out, and it fixed the problem for me. 00:07:32 I did another round of manual testing this week, and nothing jumped out at me. 00:07:49 So once that last patch lands, I'll probably cut release candidate 2. 00:08:13 BTW, there's a new bug in that list. 00:08:18 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1501097 00:08:18 Launchpad bug 1501097 in congress "Data source drivers allow execution of client methods not declared executable" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Madhu Mohan Nelemane (mmohan-9) 00:08:26 Madhu: are you here? 00:09:12 Doesn't look like it. But it seems that zhenzan's changes should address that one. 00:09:22 I filed the bug, btw, so I can also answer any questions about it. 00:09:38 ekcs: do you think that's a release blocker? 00:10:09 and/or does zhenzan's change address it? 00:10:15 um i don’t know. depends on the target standard of liberty release 00:10:28 it doesn’t stop anything from working. 00:10:44 hello all 00:10:55 shelleea007: hi. 00:11:07 shelleea007: we're in the midst of discussing the liberty release. 00:11:33 ok, I'm interested in learning more about Congress' implementation 00:11:33 ekcs: does zhenzan's change address that bug, since it doesn't include any method starting with an underscore? 00:12:11 shelleea007: Great! We usually have new people introduce themselves and explain why they're interested in congress at the end of the meeting. 00:12:16 no, it doesn’t address the bug. the bug is that no matter what the actions list is (even empty), all methods are allowed via api. 00:12:45 in fact that’s why tests had been passing even before the empty action list bug was patched 00:13:28 ok, I've lurked in the last meeting, and I was tardy to this both times. So, I figured I would say something this time. i will go back to lurking for the time being 00:13:32 Got it. That definitely sounds like we could let it go for liberty. 00:13:45 ok. 00:14:28 shelleea007: feel free to pipe up as part of the normal flow of the meeting 00:14:39 Any other questions/comments about liberty? 00:15:08 #topic Kilo 00:15:13 On to Kilo then. 00:15:37 We've got patches into the stable/kilo branch where unit tests are passing 00:15:49 I wanted to test out the tempest tests just as a sanity check. 00:16:19 So I tried to run devstack and use the stable/kilo branches of all the projects. 00:16:37 I got some fatal errors when it tried to install congress. 00:16:55 I haven't gone back to dig into them, but the question we need to answer is whether it's worth doing. 00:17:15 It would be nice if our kilo release worked well with the kilo devstack. 00:17:16 depends on what are the errors, right? 00:17:59 Fair enough. 00:19:15 I just tried rerunning stack.sh and my VM ran out of disk. 00:19:26 got u 00:19:29 So maybe I'll try to resurrect the problem and post to the ML. 00:19:35 then we can just use unittest I suppose 00:19:35 Or someone else could try the same thing. 00:20:09 when we use "openstack congress datasource table schema show" I will have to use datasource id 00:20:12 su_zhan__: the point is that kilo congress doesn't run with kilo devstack properly 00:20:17 data source name won't work 00:20:53 If someone else wants to try it out, you just switch to the stable/kilo branch of devstack before running stack.sh 00:21:08 Anyone want to volunteer? 00:21:12 I can give it a try 00:21:20 su_zhan_: great! 00:21:48 Next up is Monasca and the Tokyo summit. 00:21:52 #topic Tokyo 00:22:03 Monasca requested a meeting to talk about integrating with Congress. 00:22:06 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Monasca 00:22:12 by the way, where is the congress tempest script located 00:22:13 ? 00:22:24 su_zhan__: let's take that offline 00:22:29 okay 00:22:51 I thought we should think about what we're using our 3 meeting times for in Tokyo. 00:22:52 Can I attend remotely? 00:23:18 If we have a free one, we could use it to talk to Monasca; otherwise, we can meet with them outside our allocated meeting times. 00:23:18 There should be an option of attending the discussion remotely 00:23:40 su_zhan__: I don't know what kind of remote attendance is available. 00:23:45 Anyone know? 00:23:56 I will be a remote attendance 00:24:06 I won't go to tokyo 00:24:33 su_zhan__: Let's both of us look into remotes for the design conference. 00:24:49 Do people have suggestions for topics to discuss in our 3 slots in Tokyo? 00:24:52 okay 00:25:19 I have topics. 00:25:44 how about our quota policy implementation? 00:25:57 masahito: what did you have in mind? 00:26:33 su_zhan__: might we generalize that a bit to…gating other openstack projects using Congress? 00:26:46 makes sense 00:26:53 thinrichs: I contacted OPNFV folks who think to use Congress in their infra. 00:27:39 masahito: are you thinking of a cross-project meeting where they attend and talk about their use cases? 00:28:00 thinrichs, I member you have a topic about 00:28:36 They need some new features in Congress to satisfy their use case, so they want to explain their feature if possible. 00:28:43 keystone and congres policy integrated, you will show it in design summit ? 00:29:05 RuiChen: I never made enough progress on that to show. 00:29:17 thinrichs: OPNFV is not one of OpenStack project. It isn't need to be cross project. 00:29:32 RuiChen: Did some design but no implementation. 00:30:44 I was also thinking we might want a session on the distributed architecture 00:31:09 I don't know how long each of our meetings are. Last summit they were 45 minutes. 00:31:10 +1 00:31:40 thinrichs: is there any spec proposed for distributed architecture, to go through? 00:32:01 So we've got OPNFV, congress gating, Monasca, distributed arch 00:32:02 did we do any integration between congress and mistral? 00:32:27 ramineni: Let me find the spec. Our mid-cycle meetup a couple months back was devoted to the new arch. 00:32:35 I saw mistral is mentioned in the wiki page. It seems like mistral is highly relevant to policy enforcement. 00:33:04 ramineni: all the blueprints starting with dist- are for the new arch 00:33:06 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress 00:33:39 su_zhan__: no work on mistral that I know of, though the HP integration with Murano was moving in that direction 00:34:17 are you talking about this one? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PolicyGuidedFulfillment#Proposed_Approach 00:34:27 Other than these 4, are there other topics for our meeting? 00:34:30 OPNFV, congress gating, Monasca, distributed arch 00:34:38 su_zhan__: yes 00:34:46 I am also very interested in mistral integration. Do you know who is in charge of this project at HP? 00:35:21 su_zhan__: I think that project was deprioritized at HP. Ping me offline and I'll dig out the right people to ask 00:35:31 okay 00:37:04 So do we think we can fit those 4 topics into 3 meetings, or should we schedule external time with Monasca? 00:37:31 masahito: do you know how long the OPNFV discussion will take? 00:37:41 It might make sense to split that meeting between OPNFV and Monasca 00:38:45 Since it's getting late, I'll follow up with masahito offline. 00:38:47 I'm not sure exactly, but I think it can be split. 00:38:55 masahito: okay 00:39:14 I'll tell the Monasca team that we'll talk with them for half of one of our meeting times. 00:39:31 #action thinrichs will schedule meeting with Monasca 00:39:37 Next topic is the HOL. 00:39:39 #topic HOL 00:39:53 alexsyip: how's the HOL coming? 00:40:02 I have a new version ready to go. 00:40:30 https://goo.gl/W0Rhcv 00:40:34 Pleae give it a try. 00:40:43 This version uses a GUI console. 00:40:50 So you don’t have to use the network at all. 00:41:06 Did anyone else run into the problems I did? 00:41:12 Was it something weird with my virtualbox setup? 00:41:35 thinrichs: alexsyip: iva file i downloaded last time , while importing im getting following error While starting virtual box VM 00:41:35 VT-x is disabled in the BIOS for all CPU modes. (VERR_VMX_MSR_ALL_VMXON_DISABLED) 00:41:51 any idea how to resolve it? 00:42:24 ramineni: you get this from virtual box before importing my the congress-hol.ova file? 00:42:36 Oh, while importing. 00:42:45 alexsyip: no, import is succesful, while starting the vm 00:42:47 I never saw that error. 00:43:05 It fails to start ? 00:43:14 alexsyip: its in power off state in virtual box now 00:43:17 yes 00:43:19 :( 00:43:35 Let me try something. 00:43:55 I see a checkbox for VT-x. I can try to uncheck it and see what happens. 00:44:22 What scares me a bit is that these problems aren't consistent across VirtualBoxes. 00:44:23 Can you uncheck it and try to start it ? 00:44:44 thinrichs: what error did you encounter ? 00:44:46 alexsyip: where is the checkbox? 00:44:51 Is there a preferences file for VirtualBox that we can include? 00:44:55 Settings/ CPU/ acceleration 00:44:57 alexsyip: let me find the email 00:45:10 alexsyip: thanks, will try it out 00:45:11 settings/ system/ acceleration 00:46:06 alexsyip: 00:46:08 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075650.html 00:46:25 thinrichs: those are network problems. 00:46:34 And those should disappear now? 00:46:36 The new image is setup to not use the network at all. 00:46:41 Sounds good. 00:46:45 Yeah, that was the goal of the new vm. 00:46:57 Let's all try out the HOL. We want to find all the hiccups before giving it to 50 people. 00:46:59 alexsyip: acceleration tab is greyed out, couldnt access it 00:47:10 hm. 00:47:15 maybe it’s related to the hardware you’re using. 00:47:16 masahito: did you have any other questions about the summit? 00:47:16 alexsyip: may be something is not supported by my machine 00:47:32 I’ll prepare another VM with out that check and see if that makes it work. 00:47:43 alexsyip: sure, thanks 00:48:15 thinrichs: nothing. 00:48:39 Ok. 00:48:50 If someone wants to some info about Tokyo, please contact me. 00:49:22 masahito: thanks for the offer! I'm sure people will at least take you up on restaurant recommendations once we're there. 00:49:46 thinrichs: sounds good!! 00:49:54 Last thing on my agenda before open discussion. 00:50:00 We have a couple of new people. 00:50:23 ramineni: would you like to tell us who you are and why you're interested in Congress? 00:50:36 thinrichs: sure 00:50:52 thinrichs: Iḿ Anusha , I work for NEC 00:50:57 welcome 00:51:34 ramineni: is your office located at bay area? 00:51:42 ramineni: Welcome! Anything in particular you're hoping to do with Congress? 00:51:50 thinrichs: iḿ new to congress but not to openstack though :) , congress is very useful for cloud env, so want to explore the same 00:52:17 ramineni: what's your previous experience on top of openstack? 00:52:19 ramineni: welcome in Congress team. 00:52:31 ramineni, Welcome 00:52:35 thinrichs: no, for now just want to want to understand more , how easy to use in production env 00:52:56 su_zhang: no, im from India 00:53:09 We have 1 other new person. 00:53:11 oh, good morning then 00:53:21 thinrichs: su_zhang, masahito, RuiChen: thanks :) 00:53:27 shelleea007: want to introduce yourself and say why you're interested in congress? 00:53:38 sure, I can do that. 00:54:11 ramineni: just realized we've linked already 00:54:16 My name is Shellee and I work for HP, for cloud security. I am also part of the OSSG 00:54:49 welcome. shelleea007 00:54:51 I'm interested in Congress for compliance and auditing capabilities and implementation. 00:55:09 thanks. 00:55:16 shelleea007: Welcome! That's a great use case. 00:55:18 shelleea007: that's exactly what I want to do at Symantec 00:55:37 We'd love to have more ideas about how and where Congress can be useful along those lines. 00:55:49 It was mentioned at the OSSG meetup a few weeks ago and I took an action item to look into it and hopefully contribute 00:56:20 There seem to be multiple use cases for it in this realm. 00:56:30 One that that would be really helpful is if you have some policies that operators want to enforce or at least monitor. 00:56:40 Then we could see how to use Congress in those cases. 00:56:44 all: let me intro myself, too. 00:56:45 exactly. 00:56:55 We have a google doc full of use cases that you could contribute to. 00:56:57 shelleea007, we have same focus on auditing capabilities :-) 00:56:57 Linked off the wiki 00:57:05 I'm Motonori Shindo, works for VMware, based in Japan 00:57:19 mshindo_: welcome! 00:57:24 interested in policy language in Congress 00:57:34 mshindo_: welcome! 00:57:35 mshindo_: do you have something specific to use Congress for? 00:57:39 thinrichs: awesome. Do you have a link to that google doc handy? 00:57:44 'cause I used to love Prolog a lot :-) 00:57:57 lol 00:58:06 shelleea007: here's the gdoc 00:58:07 #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ExDmT06vDZjzOPePYBqojMRfXodvsk0R8nRkX-zrkSw/edit 00:58:15 thank you! 00:58:25 mshindo_: then you'll feel right at home here! 00:58:27 3 mins left, looking forward to seeing you guys all at Tokyo 00:58:44 shelleea007: this wiki has any info and links. 00:58:49 #linke https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Congress 00:58:51 still exploring where I can contribute 00:58:53 btw, I just implemented the "security group management" policies and will add it into the doc. 00:59:16 Any other new people here that want to intro in 1 minute? 00:59:26 masahito: Thank you! Any and all information is helpful. 00:59:34 We're about out of time. 00:59:55 Again let's finish off that last bug and test, test, test the liberty release. 01:00:27 shelleea007, mshindo_, ramineni: don't hestitate to reach out with questions, comments, etc. 01:00:36 Either on the mailing list or on #congress. 01:00:40 Thanks all! 01:00:50 bye 01:00:58 good start point for new contributors http://congress.readthedocs.org/en/latest/readme.html 01:01:04 bye 01:01:08 #endmeeting