14:00:26 <whoami-rajat> #startmeeting cinder
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14:00:30 <whoami-rajat> #topic roll call
14:00:43 <simondodsley> o/
14:00:43 <thiagoalvoravel> o/
14:00:44 <jbernard> o/
14:00:48 <rosmaita> o/
14:00:50 <harsh> o/
14:01:11 <tosky> o/
14:01:30 <eharney> o/
14:02:21 <raghavendrat> hi
14:02:42 <whoami-rajat> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/cinder-bobcat-meetings
14:03:00 <jungleboyj> o/
14:04:38 <whoami-rajat> good turnout
14:04:39 <whoami-rajat> let's get started
14:04:48 <whoami-rajat> #topic Announcements
14:04:54 <whoami-rajat> first, Forum session Etherpads
14:05:00 <whoami-rajat> #link https://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2023-June/033989.html
14:05:23 <whoami-rajat> Kendall created this wiki for collecting etherpads for forum session
14:05:31 <whoami-rajat> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Vanvouver2023
14:05:42 <keerthivasansuresh> o/
14:05:54 <nahimsouza[m]> o/
14:05:56 <whoami-rajat> so i created an etherpad for the cinder forum session and added to the wiki
14:05:59 <whoami-rajat> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/cinder-vancouver-forum-2023
14:06:43 <whoami-rajat> rosmaita, i see your and eharney's name on the session, i thought i got a ticket for the same forum session, is there another one?
14:07:15 <rosmaita> on the etherpad, you mean?
14:07:54 <whoami-rajat> i mean in the schedule
14:08:11 <whoami-rajat> rosmaita, https://vancouver2023.openinfra.dev/a/schedule
14:08:31 <rosmaita> That is really weird, i thought i saw you there yesterday
14:09:03 <whoami-rajat> ok i think it doesn't matter, just wanted to make sure there wasn't another forum session for cinder
14:09:09 <rosmaita> I am positive there were 3 people listed yesterday, because i had to scroll to see myself
14:09:38 <whoami-rajat> Cinder, the OpenStack Block Storage service ... how are we doing?
14:09:39 <whoami-rajat> By Eric Harney, Brian Rosmaita
14:09:43 <rosmaita> weird
14:09:48 <rosmaita> yes, that's the session
14:09:56 <whoami-rajat> that's what it says on the schedule but as i said, it shouldn't matter
14:10:14 <whoami-rajat> as long as we don't have another session we are forgetting about :D
14:10:35 <rosmaita> nope, that's the only one I know about for cinder
14:10:56 <whoami-rajat> ok, we should be good then
14:11:31 <whoami-rajat> so I've created the etherpad and added to the wiki, feel free to make any changes to it as needed
14:11:34 <whoami-rajat> rosmaita, eharney ^
14:12:05 <rosmaita> thanks!
14:12:53 <whoami-rajat> ok moving on
14:12:56 <whoami-rajat> next, Spec review day
14:13:10 <whoami-rajat> I've decided the following date and time for the spec review day
14:13:11 <whoami-rajat> 09 June - 1400-1500 UTC
14:13:19 <whoami-rajat> just wanted to confirm here first before i send out an email
14:13:26 <simondodsley> fine by me
14:13:52 <rosmaita> works for me too
14:14:41 <whoami-rajat> cool, will send out an email after the meeting
14:15:08 <whoami-rajat> next, Upcoming Vancouver summit (13-15 June)
14:15:19 <whoami-rajat> #link https://vancouver2023.openinfra.dev/a/schedule
14:15:23 <whoami-rajat> #link https://openinfra.dev/summit/vancouver-2023/
14:15:34 <whoami-rajat> there is no announcement, just the summit is upcoming so a reminder
14:17:41 <whoami-rajat> that's all the announcements from my side
14:17:46 <whoami-rajat> anyone has anything else?
14:17:56 <rosmaita> I've got a question about the PTG
14:18:08 <whoami-rajat> sure
14:18:12 <rosmaita> namely, what are we doing?
14:18:26 <rosmaita> seems like not too many Argonauts will be there
14:18:31 <whoami-rajat> good question
14:18:38 <whoami-rajat> I created this etherpad
14:18:42 <whoami-rajat> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/vancouver-ptg-june-2023
14:18:48 <whoami-rajat> so far there has only been one topic by simondodsley
14:19:06 <simondodsley> well that means I get my way then???
14:19:19 <rosmaita> as long as you do the implementation and all the reviews!
14:20:02 <rosmaita> i think let's schedule Simon's session and an operator hour, and maybe one more placeholder slot for general discussion?
14:20:19 <simondodsley> self reviewing - nice
14:20:54 <simondodsley> give me +2 for os-brick... lol
14:21:48 <whoami-rajat> we do have to book slots but so far i don't think we need a big chunk of time
14:21:55 <whoami-rajat> i like rosmaita's suggestion
14:22:10 <whoami-rajat> 2 hours should be good including operator hour
14:22:30 <whoami-rajat> we need feedback for the EM discussion as well
14:22:47 <rosmaita> yeah, i think we will get a lot of that at the forum
14:23:05 <rosmaita> but we could schedule a followup session in "our" time at the PTG
14:23:39 <rosmaita> how many Argonauts do we think will be attending the PTG?
14:24:02 <enriquetaso2> I’ll attend remote
14:24:06 <simondodsley> do we have a room for the cinder session yet? I don't see it on the schedule
14:24:20 <rosmaita> not for the PTG yet
14:24:25 <rosmaita> just for the Forum
14:24:27 * jungleboyj is in Shanghai all next week
14:25:03 <simondodsley> jungleboyj don't bring back COVID-22
14:26:08 <harsh> Can i also attend PTG ?
14:26:09 <whoami-rajat> simondodsley, i can book it, just couldn't decide how much time we need and when would everyone be available
14:26:46 <rosmaita> harsh: will you be in  Vancouver?  not sure there will be remote options
14:26:52 <simondodsley> pounds like there are only going to be 4 of us in person??
14:26:56 <whoami-rajat> personally speaking, i think i won't be able to make it but i can do all the arrangements necessary
14:27:09 <harsh> No. I am in India. not sure what the process is.
14:27:11 <simondodsley> ok - 3 now... and counting
14:27:59 <rosmaita> yeah, whoami-rajat why don't I put together a doodle poll and then we can book rooms on friday
14:28:19 <whoami-rajat> rosmaita, sounds like a great idea
14:28:37 <rosmaita> shouldn't be too hard to find good times since there's only 3 of us
14:29:06 <rosmaita> ok, eharney and simondodsley i will ping you later in the cinder channel when i have it together
14:29:14 <rosmaita> i will also send to the ML just in case
14:30:44 <whoami-rajat> ++
14:31:12 <whoami-rajat> harsh, there are various steps involved but i guess it's too late to attend now, at least from India
14:33:39 <harsh> :(
14:34:04 <harsh> Next time probably
14:34:48 <whoami-rajat> yep
14:34:52 <rosmaita> hope so!
14:34:59 <whoami-rajat> so if there are no other announcements, we will move to topics
14:35:15 <whoami-rajat> #topic EOL the EM branches follow up
14:35:34 <whoami-rajat> rosmaita, that's us but i guess you can explain better
14:35:43 <rosmaita> maybe
14:35:48 <rosmaita> mostly this is for awareness
14:36:02 <rosmaita> whoami-rajat sent out the announcement to the ML:
14:36:09 <rosmaita> #link https://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2023-June/033980.html
14:36:19 <rosmaita> some interesting responses in the thread so far
14:36:39 <rosmaita> pretty good agreement i think that the current EM process is not working
14:37:13 <rosmaita> in addition to the thread, there was some similar discussion in  the TC channel yesterday:
14:37:23 <rosmaita> #link https://meetings.opendev.org/irclogs/%23openstack-tc/%23openstack-tc.2023-06-06.log.html#t2023-06-06T19:06:03
14:37:52 <rosmaita> and since whoami-rajat mentioned in his email that this could be discussed at the cinder forum session, i think a *lot* of people will take us up on that
14:38:20 <rosmaita> that's all
14:38:24 <simondodsley> seems that cinder and nova are the projects with the most to say on this subject
14:39:31 <whoami-rajat> looking at the responses, i think there is agreement to how the EM model was expected to work and it's not working as expected
14:39:48 <whoami-rajat> I'm hopeful that our argument has good amount of support
14:40:16 <rosmaita> i think it does
14:40:36 <rosmaita> there may be some pushback on EOLing Xena
14:40:56 <rosmaita> but it think we are ultimately OK for the others
14:41:07 <whoami-rajat> i don't know what Gorka thinks about it but he's not around today :D
14:41:25 <rosmaita> btw, i should mention that we have posted the release patches proposing EOL for all EM branches (just to show that we mean business)
14:41:35 <rosmaita> #link https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:cinder-eol-june2023
14:41:37 <simondodsley> I think the issue may be that RHOSP 17.1 will be based on wallaby and some xena backports. EOLing could cause RH issues
14:41:44 <whoami-rajat> i think leaving xena should be fine, we just don't want to keep more branches in EM than the active stable branches
14:42:15 <rosmaita> it would be a small compromise
14:43:25 <rosmaita> simondodsley: it will make more work for Red Hat maybe, but we have pretty wide latitude to do what's good for the upstream community
14:43:34 <rosmaita> i mean, speaking as a Red Hatter for the minute
14:44:06 <whoami-rajat> i remember tosky making this clear from RH perspective that everything fine by the community is also fine by RH, but maybe I am misquoting him so please correct
14:44:36 <rosmaita> i think tosky said exactly that last week or maybe the week before
14:45:11 <rosmaita> ok, well this fits in well with the next topic
14:45:24 <rosmaita> status of backports to stable/wallaby and older
14:45:31 <whoami-rajat> #topic status of backports to stable/wallaby and older
14:45:39 <whoami-rajat> we can continue now
14:45:54 <rosmaita> so part of our reason for EOLing those branches is that they will not get a fix for CVE-2023-2088
14:46:14 <rosmaita> so we don't want people to use them without knowing what they are getting into
14:46:22 <rosmaita> so we will EOL and delete the branches
14:46:31 <rosmaita> but, there are still some outstanding patches
14:46:40 <rosmaita> an example is this one:
14:46:49 <rosmaita> #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/871906
14:47:26 <rosmaita> my question is, does it make sense to continue to merge stuff that could be useful, right up until the branch is EOL'd?
14:47:55 <tosky> yeah, sorry, the point is that we can make decisions if they are in the interest of the community regardless of the internal decisions
14:47:57 <rosmaita> and related, maybe we should put a warning into the README for those branches right now indicating that there is a major security flaw that is not fixed?
14:48:14 <rosmaita> thanks tosky
14:49:15 <simondodsley> rosmaita ++
14:49:39 <rosmaita> simondodsley: is that for the README or continuing to merge stuff?
14:49:44 <simondodsley> README
14:50:30 <whoami-rajat> rosmaita, sounds like a good idea, maybe we can have another festival for merging changes into EM branches? or just ask reviews to pay attention to open patches
14:50:54 <rosmaita> ok, so to be clear
14:50:57 <rosmaita> the consensus is
14:51:29 <rosmaita> 1. we will update the README in the EM branches (except xena) to indicate that the fix for CVE-2023-2088 is missing
14:52:00 <rosmaita> 2. we will continue to accept patches into the EM branches before they go EOL
14:52:10 <rosmaita> (which will happen around 21 June or so)
14:52:23 <rosmaita> 3. there is *no* number 3
14:52:52 <harsh> ++
14:53:12 <whoami-rajat> #3 is new to me
14:53:16 <whoami-rajat> sounds like a plan
14:53:23 <whoami-rajat> do we want to send something out to ML regarding this?
14:54:15 <rosmaita> you mean, hurry up and get stuff proposed and merged?
14:54:53 <rosmaita> btw, i'll take an action item to update the READMEs
14:55:03 <whoami-rajat> it's less likely people will propose patches if the CVE is also not there but yeah like review the existing changes
14:55:40 <whoami-rajat> but maybe not needed
14:55:48 <whoami-rajat> we already have ongoing discussion about the EM thing
14:56:24 <simondodsley> i think we just do the README and wait to see the outcome of the ongoing EM discussions
14:56:38 <simondodsley> Put a hold on all EM patches
14:56:43 <rosmaita> yeah, i think the EOL proposal was a good indicator that you need to get backports in right away
14:57:45 <rosmaita> hmmm ... i thought we said we would continue to merge EM patches?
14:58:01 <whoami-rajat> that's what i understood
14:58:08 <whoami-rajat> why do we want to hold the EM patches?
14:58:10 <simondodsley> does it not depend on what the EM discussion comes up with
14:58:37 <simondodsley> might be wasting time on EM patches... potentially. I don't mind though
14:59:21 <whoami-rajat> I see, i thought of it as a final effort and adios to all the EM branches
14:59:50 <rosmaita> yeah, but my thought is that if people know the branches are non-releaseable and are going EOL soon, and they still want to get something merged, they must have a good reason?
15:00:30 <rosmaita> but i don't know ... that's why i wanted to discuss
15:00:49 <whoami-rajat> we are out of time
15:01:00 <whoami-rajat> we can continue the discussion in cinder channel after the BS meeting
15:01:04 <whoami-rajat> thanks everyone for joining
15:01:07 <whoami-rajat> #endmeeting